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Pragma · 12-10-2003, 07:22 PM

Thanks, Cynthetiq, for reminding us to cool our tempers a bit. I think this thread has gone on a bit too long.

My sincere apologies, Phaenx, for the name-calling, I let my temper get the better of me and posted in anger. I still disagree strongly with your view, but my opinion remains unchanged.

Stiltzkin · 12-10-2003, 09:59 PM

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Originally posted by Mad_Gecko
Well,

EOS. Thanks TFP. Had a good time.

Now we know why he's a mad Gecko. Things sure have changed a lot around here

phaedrus · 12-10-2003, 11:59 PM

What is "EOS" anyway?

wflol · 12-11-2003, 01:26 AM

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Originally posted by Mad_Gecko
Hi all,

I just had a can of ass whoopin' laid on me. (claret and all) I wanted to get a cab home 4 us.. My bad :-)

My ? is? Should I forget it and take up Karate, or should I be myself and keep training to be who I wanna be.

PS: I am not naturally violent.

PPS: I can't spell

yeh dude, learn how to defend yerself heh

ChrisJericho · 12-11-2003, 02:39 AM

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Originally posted by phaedrus
What you talking about? Before he came to the States, he was an underground street fighter in HK. He even won a boxing championship while in high school. In the States, he entered some tournaments. He never lost a match You can read about him <a href="http://www.historylink.org/_output.CFM?file_ID=3999" target="_blank">here</a>, but like most sites I've looked at it focuses on his acting career.

You can believe this if you want. However in order for me to believe that someone is a good fighter, I have to:

A)Fight them myself.
OR
B)Watch them fight someone else (in person or on tape)

Unfortuntely none of these so called no holds barred matches were ever captured on tape. Therefore it is impossible for me to judge Lee's self defense abilities.

Pragma · 12-11-2003, 08:30 AM

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Originally posted by phaedrus
What is "EOS" anyway?

I believe it means "End of Story" - as in "I'm done with this topic and not reading the thread again"

basmoq · 12-11-2003, 03:32 PM

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Originally posted by Phaenx
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The idea that you can be 160lbs and take down a 240lb guy? Won't happen, doesn't happen.

FYI, if I take a kill shot to someone's neck, there going down, regardless of their weight, you are by far the most ignorant person when it comes to the martial arts, and need to learn that it isn't smart to talk about something with which your are completely and obviously unfamilair.

Phaenx · 12-11-2003, 06:52 PM

Very much untrue, I've been on the recieving end of plenty of ultimate ninja attacks like your "kill shot." They aren't impressive in the least.

If they were, then martial artists would be doing much better in these pit fights, and I'd have had my ass kicked by now at least a dozen times.

I've told you more than once that I am indeed familiar with your hobby, I've presented evidence that all but proves my theories and personal experiences. Basmoq, if you want to prove I'm wrong then you should focus less on calling me ignorant and focus more on proving your statements.

ChrisJericho · 12-11-2003, 10:13 PM

Actually in one of the first UFC'S Royce Gracie who was 170 pounds at the time, tapped out Dan Severn who was 240 pounds.

I personally I have tapped ut a guy who was 200+ pounds and I am only 160.

But of course both Royce Gracie and I use Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, which is not a typical martial art.

Phaenx · 12-12-2003, 12:52 AM

Was that the one where he tripped the guy, got on his back and kind of wrapped his legs around his legs and elbowed the living fuck out of his skull?

If so, that was neat. Sort of cheap but neat. Given of course Dan Severn's like 80 years old.

ChrisJericho · 12-14-2003, 12:53 AM

No it was the fight that lasted 15 minutes that ended with Royce sinking in the triangle choke.

GakFace · 12-14-2003, 02:31 AM

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Originally posted by Phaenx
You don't think trying to kick someone in the head is a bad idea?

First off.. when you're flexable.. its not really hard to do.. Secondly, if you're fast.. its not a problem. Imagine Steel Tipped shoes...

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Originally posted by Phaenx
The idea that you can be 160lbs and take down a 240lb guy? Won't happen, doesn't happen.
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Gimmie some time to get you the proof on this one. I can happen, and it does happen. To think otherwise, is what Basmoq said... Ignorant. Shit Basmoq said himself that he' think twice before attempting to take me down.. I don't know how much he weight, but i'm about 130.. he's a more than that.

I'm simply amazed at how you think something as diverse as martial arts is shit... something I don't believe I've heard you state you've practiced. So some people used it upon you... good for you, others have had people use wrestling against them and they beat them.. yet do you hear them saying wrestler type fighting sucks ass? No I don't think so. The reason people are giving you shit is because you simply said martial arts sucked complete ass and never gave it a second thought. You think so many jump around and do crazy shit, its not what you think.

shakran · 12-14-2003, 07:19 AM

Well in the first place, kicking someone in the head IS generally a bad idea. It's too slow, and no matter how fast you are an oblique kick to the knee will come in much faster than a round kick to the head.

In the second place, Phaenx is insinuating that all, or at least most, martial arts teach BS like this. Not true. My dojo, along with MANY others, teaches NOT to kick to the head.

Phaenx also doesn't seem to realize that an art doesn't have to come from Japan, China, or Korea to be a martial art. Western boxing is a martial art, as is kali, JKD, etc.

Phaenx continues to display his endless ignorance of the real world of martial arts. I get the sense that he reads Black Belt and all their BS articles, and disagrees with them, but then projects that image onto ALL martial arts. He suffers from oversimplification syndrome. Phaenx, while you're correct that SOME martial arts teach play-fighting kidrate BS that will virtually guarantee you will lose in a real fight, not ALL of them do.

Also, you say you have to fight or watch someone fight before you will believe they're good at fighting. Does that attitude extend to other skills? Do you have to fly with or watch the pilot fly the plane before you will trust him enough to get onboard his airliner? Do you need videotape of the cook in the restaurant before you will believe he's a good enough cook not to undercook your food?

SirGoreaxe · 12-15-2003, 12:11 AM

Phaenx if you haven't noticed you are in a loosing battle. Other people have said that martial arts is not efective, but you go so far as to insult them and make yourself look like an ass. I myself belive that martial arts is good for you. But I realize that anyone trying to perform a move perfectly will get his butt kicked. But I know that during my training after my 3rd or 4th belt we learned to be flexible and make the moves faster and more suited for the fight. Wich as was stated earlier practice does make the differance as you have said. And getting into a fight is the last thing you want to do cause you never know what you are getting yourself into. Well enugh of my rant. Just take the first part into consideration please Phaenx.

StormBerlin · 12-15-2003, 01:51 PM

I don't know if this has been metioned yet, but Phaenx mentioned that he didn't believe a 240 lb guy could be taken down by a 160 lb guy? Theres a Japanese martial art called Aikido that is pretty damn cool to watch. It has nothing to do with kicking, punching, or meeting strength with strength. My dad is a second degree black belt. My brother is also a third degree black belt in Tae Kwan Do. My dad and my brother sparred once. My brother got schooled. It was great

They respect each other and take classes from each other. I see how this thread has gone onto Martial Arts, and that is what martial arts is, respect for others. If you guys are interested in a martial art that isn't about violence, check it out.

lightning · 12-15-2003, 02:03 PM

The point shouldn't be what you can do with which type of martial art. It is true that training in any type of combat style (and practicing/sparring) will neccesarily make you more adept and less vulnerable.

But there is an intangible to consider... Aggression.

If you are aggressive enough to take the initiative and pop somebody at the right time, all of your training is irrelevant. Conversely, if you are tentative and miss your opportunity or don't exploit it fully, you'll probably get you ass whipped.

An aggressive person with solid martial arts/combat training is going to be that much more effective in a fight.

Essentially martial arts can be a huge help, but not the entire difference.

shakran · 12-15-2003, 04:39 PM

<i>Excellent</i> point, lightning.

Aggression is one of the core keys to fighting. If you're not on the offensive, you're gonna lose.

Phaenx · 12-15-2003, 06:16 PM

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Originally posted by SirGoreaxe
Phaenx if you haven't noticed you are in a loosing battle. Other people have said that martial arts is not efective, but you go so far as to insult them and make yourself look like an ass.

Having an unpopular opinion doesn't mean you automatically lose. There are a lot of people talking, but noone's doing shit to disprove my evidence other then say "the real martial artists don't participate in that program." Pfah. There's also a lot of people who haven't been paying attention, I'd have referenced them to earlier posts of mine but I think it's more entertaining for me this way. Also, if you'll review for a moment you will see that I haven't specifically insulted any members at all, I've even gone so far as to remind others that calling someone ignorant/stupid or an ass is against community policy. Rather I've focused on voicing my dissaproval of traditional martial arts, many people don't like that and have voiced their opinions, which is fine because I get to wait around for someone to provide some sort of evidence to the contrary of what I have provided.

sixate · 12-15-2003, 06:22 PM

I thought this thread died a few days back. I'll make sure it will this time.
It's just the same BS over and over. Nobody agrees... Now that we can agree on.

12-10-2003, 07:22 PM	#81 (permalink)
Pragma I am Winter Born Location: Alexandria, VA	Thanks, Cynthetiq, for reminding us to cool our tempers a bit. I think this thread has gone on a bit too long. My sincere apologies, Phaenx, for the name-calling, I let my temper get the better of me and posted in anger. I still disagree strongly with your view, but my opinion remains unchanged. __________________ Eat antimatter, Posleen-boy!

12-11-2003, 06:52 PM	#88 (permalink)
Phaenx The Northern Ward Location: Columbus, Ohio	Very much untrue, I've been on the recieving end of plenty of ultimate ninja attacks like your "kill shot." They aren't impressive in the least. If they were, then martial artists would be doing much better in these pit fights, and I'd have had my ass kicked by now at least a dozen times. I've told you more than once that I am indeed familiar with your hobby, I've presented evidence that all but proves my theories and personal experiences. Basmoq, if you want to prove I'm wrong then you should focus less on calling me ignorant and focus more on proving your statements. __________________ "I went shopping last night at like 1am. The place was empty and this old woman just making polite conversation said to me, 'where is everyone??' I replied, 'In bed, same place you and I should be!' Took me ten minutes to figure out why she gave me a dirty look." --Some guy

12-11-2003, 10:13 PM	#89 (permalink)
ChrisJericho eat more fruit Location: Seattle	Actually in one of the first UFC'S Royce Gracie who was 170 pounds at the time, tapped out Dan Severn who was 240 pounds. I personally I have tapped ut a guy who was 200+ pounds and I am only 160. But of course both Royce Gracie and I use Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, which is not a typical martial art. __________________ "A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows us that faith proves nothing." - Friedrich Nietzsche

12-12-2003, 12:52 AM	#90 (permalink)
Phaenx The Northern Ward Location: Columbus, Ohio	Was that the one where he tripped the guy, got on his back and kind of wrapped his legs around his legs and elbowed the living fuck out of his skull? If so, that was neat. Sort of cheap but neat. Given of course Dan Severn's like 80 years old. __________________ "I went shopping last night at like 1am. The place was empty and this old woman just making polite conversation said to me, 'where is everyone??' I replied, 'In bed, same place you and I should be!' Took me ten minutes to figure out why she gave me a dirty look." --Some guy

12-14-2003, 12:53 AM	#91 (permalink)
ChrisJericho eat more fruit Location: Seattle	No it was the fight that lasted 15 minutes that ended with Royce sinking in the triangle choke. __________________ "A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows us that faith proves nothing." - Friedrich Nietzsche

12-10-2003, 11:59 PM	#83 (permalink)
phaedrus Insane	What is "EOS" anyway?

12-14-2003, 07:19 AM	#93 (permalink)
shakran Tone.	Well in the first place, kicking someone in the head IS generally a bad idea. It's too slow, and no matter how fast you are an oblique kick to the knee will come in much faster than a round kick to the head. In the second place, Phaenx is insinuating that all, or at least most, martial arts teach BS like this. Not true. My dojo, along with MANY others, teaches NOT to kick to the head. Phaenx also doesn't seem to realize that an art doesn't have to come from Japan, China, or Korea to be a martial art. Western boxing is a martial art, as is kali, JKD, etc. Phaenx continues to display his endless ignorance of the real world of martial arts. I get the sense that he reads Black Belt and all their BS articles, and disagrees with them, but then projects that image onto ALL martial arts. He suffers from oversimplification syndrome. Phaenx, while you're correct that SOME martial arts teach play-fighting kidrate BS that will virtually guarantee you will lose in a real fight, not ALL of them do. Also, you say you have to fight or watch someone fight before you will believe they're good at fighting. Does that attitude extend to other skills? Do you have to fly with or watch the pilot fly the plane before you will trust him enough to get onboard his airliner? Do you need videotape of the cook in the restaurant before you will believe he's a good enough cook not to undercook your food?

12-15-2003, 12:11 AM	#94 (permalink)
SirGoreaxe Tilted Location: Bremerton, WA	Phaenx if you haven't noticed you are in a loosing battle. Other people have said that martial arts is not efective, but you go so far as to insult them and make yourself look like an ass. I myself belive that martial arts is good for you. But I realize that anyone trying to perform a move perfectly will get his butt kicked. But I know that during my training after my 3rd or 4th belt we learned to be flexible and make the moves faster and more suited for the fight. Wich as was stated earlier practice does make the differance as you have said. And getting into a fight is the last thing you want to do cause you never know what you are getting yourself into. Well enugh of my rant. Just take the first part into consideration please Phaenx. __________________ (;þ "You can't change what has happened, but you can make the best of it, and make better decisions from the past." (Unless there is a quick edit button.)

12-15-2003, 01:51 PM	#95 (permalink)
StormBerlin Happy as a hippo Location: Southern California	I don't know if this has been metioned yet, but Phaenx mentioned that he didn't believe a 240 lb guy could be taken down by a 160 lb guy? Theres a Japanese martial art called Aikido that is pretty damn cool to watch. It has nothing to do with kicking, punching, or meeting strength with strength. My dad is a second degree black belt. My brother is also a third degree black belt in Tae Kwan Do. My dad and my brother sparred once. My brother got schooled. It was great They respect each other and take classes from each other. I see how this thread has gone onto Martial Arts, and that is what martial arts is, respect for others. If you guys are interested in a martial art that isn't about violence, check it out. __________________ "if anal sex could get a girl pregnant i'd be tits deep in child support" Arcane

12-15-2003, 02:03 PM	#96 (permalink)
lightning Tilted Location: Texas	The point shouldn't be what you can do with which type of martial art. It is true that training in any type of combat style (and practicing/sparring) will neccesarily make you more adept and less vulnerable. But there is an intangible to consider... Aggression. If you are aggressive enough to take the initiative and pop somebody at the right time, all of your training is irrelevant. Conversely, if you are tentative and miss your opportunity or don't exploit it fully, you'll probably get you ass whipped. An aggressive person with solid martial arts/combat training is going to be that much more effective in a fight. Essentially martial arts can be a huge help, but not the entire difference.

12-15-2003, 04:39 PM	#97 (permalink)
shakran Tone.	<i>Excellent</i> point, lightning. Aggression is one of the core keys to fighting. If you're not on the offensive, you're gonna lose.

12-15-2003, 06:22 PM	#99 (permalink)
sixate Registered User Location: Somewhere in Ohio	I thought this thread died a few days back. I'll make sure it will this time. It's just the same BS over and over. Nobody agrees... Now that we can agree on.