TFP, December, and how it affects you. - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

Halx · 11-20-2003, 01:32 PM

Here's the deal, people. The TFP server is gonna be making it's second trip across the Atlantic Ocean. We will be powering down at the end of the month and we will probably take a few weeks to get to DC, where we will be taken care of by our good friends ServInt.

We will be running the TFP on our old server as our beast makes the journey, however there is a difference between dual 1.8GHz and 500MHz P3. We are going to be disabling a few forums and features during this time, so you'll only be able to use the discussion forums.

Our good fortune has run out in Finland and our sysadmin is moving on, so we cannot have our hosting any more. Thus, we will be incurring a few extra costs each month.

Without the support of PayPal, our donations have dwindled severely. We have Yahoo PayDirect, which works for people in the US, and then we have our Snail Mail address. Please, people, if the TFP is worth it to you, help support us. Donation thread --> http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...=&threadid=718

That's really all for now. Thanks for readin'

************************UPDATE

WE ARE NOW RUNNING ON OUR BACKUP SERVER, FLOUNDER

SOME FEATURES HAVE BEEN TURNED OFF.

GuttersnipeXL · 11-20-2003, 01:40 PM

Ya do what ya have to do, right? I'm concerned about the old server though. Does anyone remember what happened right at the very end of Version 3.0? It is possible I have know idea what I'm talking about. Anyway, thanks for the heads up.

WhoaitsZ · 11-20-2003, 02:18 PM

blarg. welp, me whining won't make one single sollution or help in any fashion.

why happened with PayPal? I took a donation break lately. wtf is up?

i know basically nothing about pcs so if i'm asking something dumb just say so. aren't CPUs and MOBOs fairly cheap these days? a 2g cpu is like $90?

the discussion forums may still be up? what about the journals? chat?

sorry to throw so many questions at once. totally caught off guard

seretogis · 11-20-2003, 02:49 PM

Z: Chat is hosted elsewhere (by irvingnet) so I don't see why it would go down. If so it could easily be hosted, for free, on another IRC network.

I know we discussed this in IRC already, but I really think that ditching the free donation services and going with a voluntary monthly membership system by means of a CC-billing company (along with allowing personal checks by snail-mail) would be the best way to go.

quadro2000 · 11-20-2003, 02:52 PM

It's like somebody just told me my crack dealer is going on vacation!

I'd also like to know if journals will be going down. That's gonna be a rough few weeks. But you do what you have to do. Thank you for letting us know, and I hope all goes well.

Now that I have donated, I feel much better about how much time I spend participating on TFP. I highly recommend it to everyone, it's good for the soul.

Silvy · 11-20-2003, 03:13 PM

Ok, that's it...

I don't have a CC, and I live in Europe. But -somehow- I will get some cash over there...

Hang in there Halx, another drop in the bucket is on the way

Btw: what's up with the server moving?

rainheart · 11-20-2003, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by quadro2000
It's like somebody just told me my crack dealer is going on vacation!

Sadly enough I feel the same. And now I feel a little pathetic. No offense.

Ahaha, 500mhz. Just disable the porn stuffs and at least half of your bandwidth will free up. Easy.

Minx · 11-20-2003, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by seretogis
I know we discussed this in IRC already, but I really think that ditching the free donation services and going with a voluntary monthly membership system by means of a CC-billing company (along with allowing personal checks by snail-mail) would be the best way to go.

This is a great idea and, while I am a sporadic donor, if I had to pick between paying my bills and putting food on the table ...well, gee guess who is going to win.
I know it takes a lot of effort ( and cash ) to run this place but for the little people like me who struggle to raise their kids and take care of things...well, let's just say there is one reason I don't have a gym membership and it sure as heck isn't because I wouldn't use it every day.
I would hate to have my tfp cut off because I was late on my payment that month.

I try to give what I can - I hope it's enough......
waaaah...now I'm all bummed out!

edit.... *gasp* we aren't going to lose the journals are we??? Oh, say it isn't so!

Halx · 11-20-2003, 03:41 PM

journals dont take much processing power so they stay

what goes is likely to be the more explicit forums, but this is only for a half a month maybe

World's King · 11-20-2003, 04:03 PM

As long as I can keep making random pointless comments that get disregarded by the more "high-brow" members the I'll be fine.

Averett · 11-20-2003, 04:04 PM

I just made my first donation. I'm sure it won't be my last

oberon · 11-20-2003, 05:51 PM

I made my first on November 3rd.

gnort · 11-20-2003, 06:06 PM

Wow, it's times like these I hate being a poor college student. I'll try and rock some donations, but my budget may disagree with me.

sadistikdreams · 11-20-2003, 07:18 PM

i'll send 50$ in the mail...

spectre · 11-20-2003, 08:30 PM

I'll be sending in some cash next week.

To anyone who's worried about how much to send in or that they don't have enough, if you send in $5, that's $5 less that Hal has to pay. If you can afford more, it will be more than welcome. Remember, every little bit helps.

WhoaitsZ · 11-20-2003, 11:48 PM

Since I’m not a mod I can preach a little without sounding like a henchman.

I’ve donated about five times. why? Because this is a quality site that is not free to run but runs for us. To everyone to selfish to donate. . . well, I cannot be rude. Let’s just say I don’t like leaches. If this were a pay site or something it would be different. But it isn’t and nobody is turned away without reason. Not donating at least once is just a way to tell the mods ‘thanks for your loyalty to us, Now fuck off’.

This place gave me a home when I needed it. I’ve met people here who have seriously contributed heavily to my life in reality. I have met a fellow surviver, a man who showed me that not all intelligent people are snobbish assholess, I’ve met someone on her I plan to spend some time with next year if things continue to go as well. Most of all, I’ve found a place where most are slow to judge. If I’m miserably depressed I can whine in the journal or chat without complaint. If I’m overly hyper I am able to get rid of some of the energy without dealing with jerks.

Don’t get me wrong, this place is not perfect. Escaping assholes is not possible. I’m sure if you look in Heaven there will be at least one jerk. But the majority rock. And to Halx I give mad props because he’s taken a lot of criticism without dropping us. Most people will say ‘well, this is my place so fuck you’. I can imagine Halx doing it if he wanted, but he seems to listen to reason and tries to please everyone. Things piss me off at times here. So what? Life is like that.

So, guys, for free we’ve gotten great discussions. We’ve seen people show their bodies and artwork. We’ve seen tons of positive ways for people to learn and grow. And don’t forget the porn.

Donate if you like the place. One fucking dollar apiece could support this place.

Jimbob666 · 11-21-2003, 02:23 AM

What happened with Paypal, that you no longer use them for donations?

water_boy1999 · 11-21-2003, 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by World's King
As long as I can keep making random pointless comments that get disregarded by the more "high-brow" members the I'll be fine.

Did someone say something????

Hahaha....just playing WK. I read all your pointless comments.

Halx, I will be sending more money soon. Probably within the next few days. Good luck with the move.

Bloodslick · 11-21-2003, 09:13 AM

I agree with Minx. My little family unit doesn't have any extra cash to go around. Even though I've only been here a few days, I'd hate to think that I'd suddenly get cut off because my personal finances are strapped.

I hope the move goes off without a hitch.

chavos · 11-21-2003, 10:58 AM

Quote:

It's like somebody just told me my crack dealer is going on vacation

lmao... I'm pretty sure we can live with out the TB for a little while. I think...

MSD · 11-21-2003, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jimbob666
What happened with Paypal, that you no longer use them for donations?

We are not able to use paypal to support TFP anymore due to their account policies.

YzermanS19 · 11-21-2003, 05:23 PM

I'll donate again as soon as possible. I just don't have the funds right now. I either pay for tuition, books, and gas, or dont go to class at this point.

I need the class

Mephisto2 · 11-21-2003, 05:58 PM

Well, not being in the US I can't use Yahoo Pay Direct.

I asked a few times if any mods had personal PayPall accounts to which I could transfer money, but no one even answered me.

I'm not going to put cash in an evelope and post it over. Methinks that's just too risky.

so when is Yahoo PayDirect going to accept non-US credit cards?!

Mr Mephisto

oberon · 11-21-2003, 06:28 PM

Is something wrong with sending a check? I dunno if that works across international boundaries, but I would expect it does??

Mephisto2 · 11-21-2003, 06:45 PM

I don't have a cheque book, and haven't for years.

Mr Mephisto

Fremen · 11-21-2003, 09:48 PM

Will losing the avatars for a while be any help?

YourNeverThere · 11-22-2003, 02:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by World's King
As long as I can keep making random pointless comments that get disregarded by the more "high-brow" members the I'll be fine.

I concur

Spinach_Indeed · 11-22-2003, 01:03 PM

Sweet Jesus, I've been putting off for almost half a year. I even prepared an envelope for it. -_-. While I am stretched a bit with college, It's not going to hurt me to spare an extra 20 or 30 bucks for TFP.

For those of you I regularly talk to, please beat me with sticks until I stop procrastinating.

GakFace · 11-22-2003, 01:46 PM

The boards I post on most would probably be General, Paranoia, and Gaming.

JStrider · 11-22-2003, 01:48 PM

general, members playground, sexuality, health and fitness, how to, computers

those are my fav ones...

meff · 11-22-2003, 01:51 PM

What I'd like to see stay:

Sexuality
Living
Computers
Literature

Keep up the good work.

Spinach_Indeed · 11-22-2003, 05:26 PM

Really, The only Boards I visit anymore are

Member's Playground
Gaming
Entertainment.

..-nod-

Fire · 11-23-2003, 12:00 AM

I live in the land of the cash strapped myself, and so far thats stopped me from donating- but I got to thinking about it, and would hate to see this place go to a pay site- one of the cool things about it is that anyone can wander in and join up- even us poverty stricken types- anyway, I do not want to contribute to making Halx into a pov, so I have decided to forego Mcdonalds for a while and donate- think about it people- there are 32000 of us- and five bucks isnt much- some of us can't and thats all there is to it, but I for one have decided that I can make at least some allowences to help this place out.....

i8one2 · 11-23-2003, 09:23 PM

No excuses here, I've been here for the ride, posted my stuff and met wonderfully interesting, bright, educated people with a mind and worlds to share..My $ is in the mail this week.

When the KING HALX calls, I answer, period.

PS...HALX, why don't you put a big notice up in the front/first/common page BANNER style for a couple of weeks, reiterating your point, I think it might really help in the cause. Just my 2 cents.

WhoaitsZ · 11-23-2003, 10:00 PM

right on, fire. point isn't kill yourself financially. and those who can't pay can't pay/ period. but i also knoww a bilion mega lame excuses to be a tight ass who enjoys free rides.

a pay site is the worse thing possible. at least if it died it'd keep my respect.

Midnight_Son · 11-25-2003, 12:20 PM

Halx, do whatever you need to do.
We’ll survive, we always do.

sbscout · 11-27-2003, 01:10 PM

snail mail works for me....

it'll be sent out this weekend!!

Dano069 · 11-30-2003, 10:52 AM

Payment is on the way.

On a side note, I can read the journals but can't post.

laconic1 · 11-30-2003, 02:38 PM

Well if my job interview last week went well, I should have my finances rebuilt enough to be able to start donating in February or March. Until then I have nothing to give financially.

Halx · 11-30-2003, 02:40 PM

You should be experiencing a little slowness for the next couple weeks. The server is moving. The TFP is now running on the backup server.

11-20-2003, 01:32 PM	#1 (permalink)
Halx Please touch this. Owner/Admin Location: Manhattan	TFP, December, and how it affects you. Here's the deal, people. The TFP server is gonna be making it's second trip across the Atlantic Ocean. We will be powering down at the end of the month and we will probably take a few weeks to get to DC, where we will be taken care of by our good friends ServInt. We will be running the TFP on our old server as our beast makes the journey, however there is a difference between dual 1.8GHz and 500MHz P3. We are going to be disabling a few forums and features during this time, so you'll only be able to use the discussion forums. Our good fortune has run out in Finland and our sysadmin is moving on, so we cannot have our hosting any more. Thus, we will be incurring a few extra costs each month. Without the support of PayPal, our donations have dwindled severely. We have Yahoo PayDirect, which works for people in the US, and then we have our Snail Mail address. Please, people, if the TFP is worth it to you, help support us. Donation thread --> http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...=&threadid=718 That's really all for now. Thanks for readin' ***********************UPDATE WE ARE NOW RUNNING ON OUR BACKUP SERVER, FLOUNDER SOME FEATURES HAVE BEEN TURNED OFF. __________________ You have found this post informative. -The Administrator [Don't Feed The Animals] Last edited by Halx; 11-30-2003 at 03:02 PM..*

11-20-2003, 01:40 PM	#2 (permalink)
GuttersnipeXL Giggity Giggity!! Location: N'York	Ya do what ya have to do, right? I'm concerned about the old server though. Does anyone remember what happened right at the very end of Version 3.0? It is possible I have know idea what I'm talking about. Anyway, thanks for the heads up. __________________ When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. HST

11-20-2003, 02:49 PM	#4 (permalink)
seretogis Huggles, sir? Location: Seattle	Z: Chat is hosted elsewhere (by irvingnet) so I don't see why it would go down. If so it could easily be hosted, for free, on another IRC network. I know we discussed this in IRC already, but I really think that ditching the free donation services and going with a voluntary monthly membership system by means of a CC-billing company (along with allowing personal checks by snail-mail) would be the best way to go. __________________ seretogis - sieg heil perfect little dream the kind that hurts the most, forgot how it feels well almost no one to blame always the same, open my eyes wake up in flames

11-20-2003, 03:13 PM	#6 (permalink)
Silvy paranoid Location: The Netherlands	Ok, that's it... I don't have a CC, and I live in Europe. But -somehow- I will get some cash over there... Hang in there Halx, another drop in the bucket is on the way Btw: what's up with the server moving? __________________ "Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. " - Murphy MacManus (Boondock Saints)

11-20-2003, 03:41 PM	#9 (permalink)
Halx Please touch this. Owner/Admin Location: Manhattan	journals dont take much processing power so they stay what goes is likely to be the more explicit forums, but this is only for a half a month maybe __________________ You have found this post informative. -The Administrator [Don't Feed The Animals]

11-20-2003, 02:18 PM	#3 (permalink)
WhoaitsZ Crazy Location: right behind you...	blarg. welp, me whining won't make one single sollution or help in any fashion. why happened with PayPal? I took a donation break lately. wtf is up? i know basically nothing about pcs so if i'm asking something dumb just say so. aren't CPUs and MOBOs fairly cheap these days? a 2g cpu is like $90? the discussion forums may still be up? what about the journals? chat? sorry to throw so many questions at once. totally caught off guard

11-20-2003, 02:52 PM	#5 (permalink)
quadro2000 All Possibility, Made Of Custard Location: New York, NY	It's like somebody just told me my crack dealer is going on vacation! I'd also like to know if journals will be going down. That's gonna be a rough few weeks. But you do what you have to do. Thank you for letting us know, and I hope all goes well. Now that I have donated, I feel much better about how much time I spend participating on TFP. I highly recommend it to everyone, it's good for the soul.

11-20-2003, 04:03 PM	#10 (permalink)
World's King Here Location: Denver City Denver	As long as I can keep making random pointless comments that get disregarded by the more "high-brow" members the I'll be fine. __________________ heavy is the head that wears the crown

11-20-2003, 04:04 PM	#11 (permalink)
Averett Is In Love Location: I'm workin' on it	I just made my first donation. I'm sure it won't be my last __________________ Absence is to love what wind is to fire. It extinguishes the small, it enkindles the great.

11-20-2003, 05:51 PM	#12 (permalink)
oberon Quadrature Amplitude Modulator Location: Denver	I made my first on November 3rd. __________________ "There are finer fish in the sea than have ever been caught." -- Irish proverb

11-20-2003, 06:06 PM	#13 (permalink)
gnort Psycho Location: MA	Wow, it's times like these I hate being a poor college student. I'll try and rock some donations, but my budget may disagree with me. __________________ You had me at Qapla'

11-20-2003, 07:18 PM	#14 (permalink)
sadistikdreams lonely rolling star Location: Seattle.	i'll send 50$ in the mail... __________________ "Besides the noble art of getting things done, there is the noble art of leaving things undone. The wisdom of life consists in the elimination of non-essentials." -Lin Yutang hearts, by d.a.

11-20-2003, 08:30 PM	#15 (permalink)
spectre Junkie	I'll be sending in some cash next week. To anyone who's worried about how much to send in or that they don't have enough, if you send in $5, that's $5 less that Hal has to pay. If you can afford more, it will be more than welcome. Remember, every little bit helps. __________________ "Fuck these chains No goddamn slave I will be different" ~ Machine Head

11-20-2003, 11:48 PM	#16 (permalink)
WhoaitsZ Crazy Location: right behind you...	Since I’m not a mod I can preach a little without sounding like a henchman. I’ve donated about five times. why? Because this is a quality site that is not free to run but runs for us. To everyone to selfish to donate. . . well, I cannot be rude. Let’s just say I don’t like leaches. If this were a pay site or something it would be different. But it isn’t and nobody is turned away without reason. Not donating at least once is just a way to tell the mods ‘thanks for your loyalty to us, Now fuck off’. This place gave me a home when I needed it. I’ve met people here who have seriously contributed heavily to my life in reality. I have met a fellow surviver, a man who showed me that not all intelligent people are snobbish assholess, I’ve met someone on her I plan to spend some time with next year if things continue to go as well. Most of all, I’ve found a place where most are slow to judge. If I’m miserably depressed I can whine in the journal or chat without complaint. If I’m overly hyper I am able to get rid of some of the energy without dealing with jerks. Don’t get me wrong, this place is not perfect. Escaping assholes is not possible. I’m sure if you look in Heaven there will be at least one jerk. But the majority rock. And to Halx I give mad props because he’s taken a lot of criticism without dropping us. Most people will say ‘well, this is my place so fuck you’. I can imagine Halx doing it if he wanted, but he seems to listen to reason and tries to please everyone. Things piss me off at times here. So what? Life is like that. So, guys, for free we’ve gotten great discussions. We’ve seen people show their bodies and artwork. We’ve seen tons of positive ways for people to learn and grow. And don’t forget the porn. Donate if you like the place. One fucking dollar apiece could support this place.

11-21-2003, 02:23 AM	#17 (permalink)
Jimbob666 Tilted	What happened with Paypal, that you no longer use them for donations?

11-21-2003, 09:13 AM	#19 (permalink)
Bloodslick Loser Location: a darkened back alley	I agree with Minx. My little family unit doesn't have any extra cash to go around. Even though I've only been here a few days, I'd hate to think that I'd suddenly get cut off because my personal finances are strapped. I hope the move goes off without a hitch.

11-21-2003, 05:23 PM	#22 (permalink)
YzermanS19 not your typical god-fearing junkie Location: State of Confusion	I'll donate again as soon as possible. I just don't have the funds right now. I either pay for tuition, books, and gas, or dont go to class at this point. I need the class __________________ the light that burns twice as bright burns half as long and you have burned so very, very brightly

11-21-2003, 05:58 PM	#23 (permalink)
Mephisto2 Junkie	Well, not being in the US I can't use Yahoo Pay Direct. I asked a few times if any mods had personal PayPall accounts to which I could transfer money, but no one even answered me. I'm not going to put cash in an evelope and post it over. Methinks that's just too risky. so when is Yahoo PayDirect going to accept non-US credit cards?! Mr Mephisto

11-21-2003, 06:28 PM	#24 (permalink)
oberon Quadrature Amplitude Modulator Location: Denver	Is something wrong with sending a check? I dunno if that works across international boundaries, but I would expect it does?? __________________ "There are finer fish in the sea than have ever been caught." -- Irish proverb

11-21-2003, 06:45 PM	#25 (permalink)
Mephisto2 Junkie	I don't have a cheque book, and haven't for years. Mr Mephisto

11-21-2003, 09:48 PM	#26 (permalink)
Fremen With a mustache, the cool factor would be too much Location: left side of my couch, East Texas	Will losing the avatars for a while be any help? __________________ Google

11-22-2003, 01:03 PM	#28 (permalink)
Spinach_Indeed Banned? Location: Artic Tundra	Sweet Jesus, I've been putting off for almost half a year. I even prepared an envelope for it. -_-. While I am stretched a bit with college, It's not going to hurt me to spare an extra 20 or 30 bucks for TFP. For those of you I regularly talk to, please beat me with sticks until I stop procrastinating. __________________ Spinach in Need is Spinach Indeed

11-22-2003, 01:46 PM	#29 (permalink)
GakFace Go Ninja, Go Ninja Go!! Location: IN, USA	The boards I post on most would probably be General, Paranoia, and Gaming. __________________ RoboBlaster: Welcome to the club! Not that I'm in the club. And there really isn'a a club in the first place. But if there was a club and if I was in it, I would definitely welcome you to it.

11-22-2003, 01:48 PM	#30 (permalink)
JStrider Poo-tee-weet? Location: The Woodlands, TX	general, members playground, sexuality, health and fitness, how to, computers those are my fav ones... __________________ -=JStrider=- ~Clatto Verata Nicto

11-22-2003, 01:51 PM	#31 (permalink)
meff Vanishing, like I do.. Location: Austin, TX	What I'd like to see stay: Sexuality Living Computers Literature Keep up the good work. __________________ Toy-like people make me boy-like.

11-22-2003, 05:26 PM	#32 (permalink)
Spinach_Indeed Banned? Location: Artic Tundra	Really, The only Boards I visit anymore are Member's Playground Gaming Entertainment. ..-nod- __________________ Spinach in Need is Spinach Indeed

11-23-2003, 12:00 AM	#33 (permalink)
Fire Warrior Smith Location: missouri	I live in the land of the cash strapped myself, and so far thats stopped me from donating- but I got to thinking about it, and would hate to see this place go to a pay site- one of the cool things about it is that anyone can wander in and join up- even us poverty stricken types- anyway, I do not want to contribute to making Halx into a pov, so I have decided to forego Mcdonalds for a while and donate- think about it people- there are 32000 of us- and five bucks isnt much- some of us can't and thats all there is to it, but I for one have decided that I can make at least some allowences to help this place out..... __________________ Thought the harder, Heart the bolder, Mood the more as our might lessens

11-23-2003, 09:23 PM	#34 (permalink)
i8one2 COMPLETED and A TRAINER Location: BEAN_TOWN	No excuses here, I've been here for the ride, posted my stuff and met wonderfully interesting, bright, educated people with a mind and worlds to share..My $ is in the mail this week. When the KING HALX calls, I answer, period. PS...HALX, why don't you put a big notice up in the front/first/common page BANNER style for a couple of weeks, reiterating your point, I think it might really help in the cause. Just my 2 cents. __________________ LEATHER, LATEX and LACE "SSC" "Nothing That Gives Pleasure is Bad" Quality is for those who know what they want and are at peace with what they have. "S/M is about emotion; the erotic tension between my impulse toward something and my resistance against it."-- Virginia Barker

11-23-2003, 10:00 PM	#35 (permalink)
WhoaitsZ Crazy Location: right behind you...	right on, fire. point isn't kill yourself financially. and those who can't pay can't pay/ period. but i also knoww a bilion mega lame excuses to be a tight ass who enjoys free rides. a pay site is the worse thing possible. at least if it died it'd keep my respect.

11-25-2003, 12:20 PM	#36 (permalink)
Midnight_Son The Cover Doesn't Match The Book Location: in a van down by the river	Halx, do whatever you need to do. We’ll survive, we always do. __________________ SWM, tattooed, seeks meaningful tits and beer. Enjoys biker mags, pornography, and Sunday morning walks to the liquor store. Winners of erotic hot dog eating contests given priority.

11-27-2003, 01:10 PM	#37 (permalink)
sbscout Disorganized Location: back home again...	snail mail works for me.... it'll be sent out this weekend!! __________________ Always question authority... it'll keep the bastards on their toes!

11-30-2003, 10:52 AM	#38 (permalink)
Dano069 is Nucking Futs! Location: On the edge of sanity	Payment is on the way. On a side note, I can read the journals but can't post. __________________ I may look attentive, but I'm taking peeks down your blouse faster than the human eye can follow. Last edited by Dano069; 11-30-2003 at 11:13 AM..

11-30-2003, 02:38 PM	#39 (permalink)
laconic1 Junkie	Well if my job interview last week went well, I should have my finances rebuilt enough to be able to start donating in February or March. Until then I have nothing to give financially.

11-30-2003, 02:40 PM	#40 (permalink)
Halx Please touch this. Owner/Admin Location: Manhattan	You should be experiencing a little slowness for the next couple weeks. The server is moving. The TFP is now running on the backup server. __________________ You have found this post informative. -The Administrator [Don't Feed The Animals]