Do you think Kobe is guilty? - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

cipher · 07-18-2003, 08:45 PM

Oops. I tried to make that other Kobe thread a poll, but apparently I screwed up. And for some reason I can't seem to delete it now.

Anyway, same question, now with a poll!

Donkeypuncher · 07-18-2003, 08:51 PM

Same answer.

No, I don't think he's guilty of rape.

But - I wasn't there, I don't have all the evidence or the facts and I'd certainly hate to see him severely tried in the court of public opinion. This is a question for the legal system to answer....

The_Dude · 07-18-2003, 08:54 PM

bah, he said it was consensual and i believe him

sixate · 07-18-2003, 09:03 PM

I don't think he raped the chic. Most likely it's just some broad that wants money for spreading her twat. Or she changed her mind after she fucked him and considers that to be rape. Chics do that shit too much now. I don't trust any chics.

He is most definitely an unfaithful pile of shit.

cipher · 07-18-2003, 09:10 PM

I'm really curious to see how it will be determined in court whether or not he's guilty. It's one person's word against the others. I mean, the only 2 people who know what actually happened are Kobe and the 19-year old girl. We know that they had sex, but what kind of physical evidence can you use to differentiate between consensual and non-consensual sex?

macmanmike6100 · 07-19-2003, 12:43 AM

just a girl who wanted sex with Kobe (and got it) and wants to cash in again

whatever

SocialAbortion · 07-19-2003, 06:47 AM

Even if he isn't guilty of rape, which I doubt he is, Kobe has now proved my '25 and 25' theory.

Meaning that, every man younger than 25 with more than 25 million dollars feels that they can get away with anything. The chick was probably flirting with Kobe, and he was flirting with her, and boom!. He's now an unfaithful bastard!

Besides. If the girl really wanted Kobe's money, all she had to do was say 'you want me to keep this quiet? Give me a million bucks'. But she didn't extort him, she was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Now, this doesn't mean I'm tearing my Kobe poster off my wall, but it's hard to look at it with out wondering, 'did he do it?'

HeyAgain · 07-19-2003, 08:01 AM

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Originally posted by SocialAbortion
Besides. If the girl really wanted Kobe's money, all she had to do was say 'you want me to keep this quiet? Give me a million bucks'. But she didn't extort him, she was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Can the charge against Kobe be dropped by the woman, if Kobe decides to pay her off?

Or is this charge going ahead even if the woman decides to drop her charge against Kobe?

Destrox · 07-19-2003, 08:09 AM

Consensual (sp?) Yes, i beleive so, she just went bitch ass on him and wants money, media, somthing...

A guy like him doesnt need to rape a girl to get the poontang

He may have done somthing extreemly wrong, and unfaithful, but rape? No , I dont think so.

07-19-2003, 08:39 AM

I'd vote, but there's no option for: "Not losing any sleep over this."

gov135 · 07-19-2003, 08:49 AM

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Originally posted by cipher
We know that they had sex, but what kind of physical evidence can you use to differentiate between consensual and non-consensual sex?

She went to the hospital, and had a rape kit. They will have noted all bruising on her body, and any tearing of her vagina.

Still, Kobe's defense will have experts who will testify that the physical evidence can be interpruted differently.

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Originally posted by HeyAgain
Can the charge against Kobe be dropped by the woman, if Kobe decides to pay her off?

No. The DA would procede anyway. But, those who hold the money-grubbing opinion look for a civil suit, after the criminal one. (Where the burden of proof is not as large. Think O.J. and the millions he owes).

Personally, and we do not know all the facts, so this is speculation: When is the last time you went to a large hotel and the girl who was at the check-in counter also made deliveries to your room? That to me is a little queer. But, perhaps there is a legitimate explanation.

Double D · 07-19-2003, 09:21 AM

I just had this convo with my 20 y.o. son. It was totally unsurprising what he and most of you men have to say about it.

The woman who has accused him of rape is a concierge. This is Merriam-Webster's definition of what her job duties were:

Main Entry: con·cierge
Pronunciation: kOn-'syerzh
Function: noun
- a usually multilingual hotel staff member who handles luggage and mail, makes reservations, and arranges tours

Possible scenerio:
He is Kobe Bryant--big basketball star. She is star struck--kinda like how you all would be. He invites her to come up and visit in his suite--where most likely, there are others present--employees, hangers-on. She's offered alcoholic beverages. Perhaps she inbibes. Perhaps not. Regardless, at some point sex occurs. Was it consensual?

As stated before, Kobe and his accuser and/or victim know, though there might be witnesses as well.

All I know is that the majority of rape accusations are legitimate.
Therefore, based on this fact, I believe it is more likely that he is guilty.

I wonder how you guys would feel if this were your sister or girlfriend or wife, who has allegedly been assaulted by Kobe Bryant.

absorbentishe · 07-19-2003, 05:49 PM

He's guilty of adultery, but what famous athlete or rock star isn't? They all do it, it was a matter of time before some lady decided to capitalize on it. She probably seduced him into it, and now turned it into something more on purpose...

World's King · 07-19-2003, 05:53 PM

Either way he's getting off...

*excuse the pun*

oldtimer · 07-19-2003, 07:31 PM

He's an idiot. Not man enough to <b>personally</b> tell his wife, "Honey, I had sex with another woman. And, yada yada..." Shit, hiding behind the media and a wall of tears. Admit you were horny because you had not seen/been with your wife in soooo long. Maybe you were drugged up on medication from having knee surgery. Really! I mean he purposely did this (turned himself in at sake of being exposed to the media) and he knew the consequences; people will never live it down. It will continue to grow and mature as gossip and ruin the lives of all Kobe Bryant, his wife, his kid and the "innocent" american idol reject. That girl is 19 for crying out loud! Adultry!? How many here are 24 or older and have had sex with a 19 year old? Maybe younger, maybe older. Point is she is a grown woman, capable of saying no to sex. Kobe was just so ashamed he violated his marriage (trust) that he didn't know what to do and in a panic called the police (in my mind). I do not want to see another "proud whore". Monica Lewinsky (I have no respect for her & her name, therefore, I do not care if it is spelled right) has her own show!!! And, proud of it? What does she discuss? How to satisfy Bill when he's in his mood? Media! No shame, no remorse, no ethics! Just pure gossip & fame! It riles me up that if this was a regular 24 year old he would of done the sane thing. A) walk away or B) If he felt he did anything wrong <b>AT ALL</b> sat down and discussed it with her. Before going and involving the law.

I do not know all the specifics and as a result I do not know if rape or consenting sex was done. So my thoughts are as if they had consenting sex.

Donkeypuncher · 07-19-2003, 09:51 PM

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Originally posted by Double D
I wonder how you guys would feel if this were your sister or girlfriend or wife, who has allegedly been assaulted by Kobe Bryant.

I wonder how you would feel if this were your brother claiming to have been assaulted by Anna Kournikova.

The vast majority of rape cases don't involve extremely wealthy celebrities. The rules have been shown to be different sometimes when that is the case.

Steve Carozzino · 07-19-2003, 10:10 PM

I was once accused of being involved in a sexual assault. Even though I was proven innocent (Me to cops: "How could I assault her if I was at a F*CKING CHURCH, with more than 30 witnesses to back me up, when it supposedly happened?"), it damaged my reputation a bunch. The rumors that were spread by the girl and her friends caused tons of problems for me in school. I can imagine how Kobe must feel right now if he is truely innocent. For now, I'm going to say that he's telling the truth.

Phaenx · 07-19-2003, 10:47 PM

If I were rich, I'd be paranoid about this stuff. So much so that I'd force people who wanted some Phaenx-wang to sign a contract before they got some.

Double D · 07-19-2003, 11:42 PM

I find your responses truly frightening.

This type of thinking is essentially saying, *she asked for it.*
And those of you that truly think that way are probably quite capable of sexual assault yourselves.
Way to go, boys.

Phaenx · 07-20-2003, 12:14 AM

Everyone is capable of sexual assault. Because all it takes to make you a rapist is the girl having second thoughts and claiming rape.

Phaenx · 07-20-2003, 12:15 AM

By the way, I think Kobe's guilty anyways. Something about his voice didn't sound sincere, and Six is right, he is a pile of shit anyways for commiting adultry.

tikki · 07-20-2003, 04:26 AM

Free Kobe. The girl had second thoughts after what she did. I also don't think the valley girls she has running around blabbing all over TV are helping her case.

gov135 · 07-20-2003, 07:37 AM

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Originally posted by Double D
I find your responses truly frightening.

This type of thinking is essentially saying, *she asked for it.*
And those of you that truly think that way are probably quite capable of sexual assault yourselves.
Way to go, boys.

I have no clue whether he is innocent or guilty.

However, Double D, as sports fans we have seen this happen to athletes more often then not. Some of the female accusers have even been sent to prison after the case was cleared. SEE: Jerome Bettis, Chris Webber, Michael Irvin, etc. All of those accusers spent time in jail.

Like I said, I'm not sure about anything. We have no facts. But I can see why some of the people in this thread responded the way they did. They've seen it before.

lafemmefatale · 07-20-2003, 07:54 AM

It's hard to make a call on whether Kobe's innocent/guilty...

however claiming that the girls having second thoughts about the sex is the reason to the claims of rape is deeply disturbing. Obviously no one wants to be accused of such a horrible crime, especially if they're innocent, but when the stats are more or less like 15% of the actual # of rape cases REPORTED, I'd have no problem encouraging girls to speak up for themselves when something seems amiss.

While it should be made clear that if you give consent, you give consent, but this is also the type of event that ruins a person's life. And I for one think it's better to be safe than sorry, celebrities included.

james t kirk · 07-20-2003, 10:46 AM

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Originally posted by Big Julie
I'd vote, but there's no option for: "Not losing any sleep over this."

LOL

I was thinking when i started reading this...

They need a " I don't fucking care one bit" choice.

gov135 · 07-20-2003, 11:25 AM

http://espn.go.com/nba/news/2003/0720/1583145.html

Report: Incident occurred months before alleged assault

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ESPN.com news services

The Colorado woman who has accused Kobe Bryant of sexual assault overdosed on pills and was rushed to a hospital two months before the alleged incident with Bryant, one of her close friends told the Orange County Register.

Based on the 19-year-old woman's accusation, Bryant was officially charged with a single count of felony sexual assault Friday. If convicted, he faces four years to life in prison or 20 years to life on probation, and a fine of up to $750,000. Bryant is scheduled to return to Eagle, Colo., for a preliminary hearing on Aug. 6.

Bryant, 24, said Friday that he was guilty only of committing adultery.

In cases of this nature, the credibility of the accuser -- whose identity is not being revealed -- often becomes an issue. The accuser's friends have been keeping her overdose a secret -- until now, the Register reported.

"I think it was just a cry for help," 18-year-old Lindsey McKinney told the newspaper. McKinney had been living at the accuser's house in May, when the woman allegedly took the pills.

When she learned from the woman's ex-boyfriend that the woman had "overdosed," McKinney rushed to her home and found the woman incoherent, lethargic and seemingly drunk, according to the Register.

"I was scared. She wasn't really talking at all," McKinney told the newspaper. "I was like, 'you need to open your eyes.' "

Some friends of the accuser said they believed the overdose was an accident. Not McKinney.

"I don't think it was accidental. I was there," she told the Register.

Tyson Ivie, a former classmate of the accuser's, told the newspaper that the overdose was "a big secret" that friends have been unwilling to talk about until now.

The police dispatch call from the night of the alleged assault is currently sealed from the public by investigators. The woman's father declined comment for the Register's story.

According to the newspaper's report, Bryant's accuser was going through an extremely difficult period in her life at the time of the overdose. She returned home from her freshman year of college to find out her ex-boyfriend had taken up with another woman. Also, around the time of the overdose, close friend Nicole Clements died in a road accident while returning from high school graduation ceremonies.

"It was kind of boom, boom, boom," McKinney told the Register. "I think the things that happened to her in the past had a lot to do with what [she said happened the night of the alleged assault]."

"I know she had been going through a lot, but I know that she wouldn't lie," 19-year-old Eagle resident Ashley Scriver told the newspaper. Scriver also knew about the the overdose.

The Register quoted legal experts as saying the news of the overdose will be a major advantage for Bryant's defense team.

"This is powerful evidence and the answer to the defense's prayers," Robert Pugsley, a criminal law professor at Southwestern University School of Law in Los Angeles, said. Pugsley added that this kind of evidence, if exploited by the defense, could be enough to shut down the case before it reaches trial.

"[Defense attorneys are] looking for a way to demonstrate that this woman is hysterical and over-reactive," Pugsley said. "This is literally dynamite evidence, a bonanza for the defense and a landmine for prosecution."

Bryant's attorneys could not be reached for comment Saturday by the Register.

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I know this has nothing to do with an alleged assault. But it has alot to do with credibility, especially if this is a he said/she said case.

An observation: A suicide attempt - a cry for attention - and two months later she seems to have found herself alot of attention....

sixate · 07-20-2003, 11:47 AM

It's sounding more and more like it's just some dumbass little attention whore of a cunt. She was probably drunk when they fucked and after he fucked the shit outa her she changed her mind. That shit happens all the time and guys always get in trouble. I don't trust anything with a vagina.

BBtB · 07-20-2003, 12:35 PM

Double D let me just say this. Thank god you are not a judge. (Are you a judge? God a hope not) To say that someone is guilty of rape just because he is accused? What the fuck. You are all like "think about the girl!" Well what about the guy? I really doubt you have ever been accused of rape. I have. It was a lie and was later dropped. Does that not effect me? They fucking tried to send me to jail! Did that not harm me? What the fuck. most rape is legit huh? You got some satistics on that? Because I think while maybe most IS legit. Alot is still not. Lets think about that too.

Donkeypuncher · 07-20-2003, 02:03 PM

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Originally posted by BBtB
What the fuck.

whoa, whoa, whoa... calm down a little. I completely hear what you're saying and there are frequent injustices on both sides of those accusations. I'm really sorry you were at the business end of one of them. But... she doesn't like men very much, so you hafta expect responses slanted that way. You got shafted, so your opinion gets biased in the other direction... everyone's entitled to their opinion.

giblfiz · 07-20-2003, 04:07 PM

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Originally posted by SocialAbortion
Even if he isn't guilty of rape, which I doubt he is, Kobe has now proved my '25 and 25' theory.

Meaning that, every man younger than 25 with more than 25 million dollars feels that they can get away with anything.

You know, I couldn't agree more, though I don't know if I would set that rule with a minimum age of 25. Power corrupts and money IS power (as much if not more than knowledge)

On a side note I went to High school with Kobe, not that I knew him. He seemed like a nice guy, but you could see him starting to get corrupted by the super-stardom he knew was coming even before it came. Well either way I still got to scalp my "guaranteed student basketball ticket" for $90

Phaenx · 07-20-2003, 04:24 PM

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Originally posted by tikki
Free Kobe. The girl had second thoughts after what she did. I also don't think the valley girls she has running around blabbing all over TV are helping her case.

Her friends are dumber then a sack of rocks, and I'll bet money this girl is as well. I know their types, and I'm interested in seeing what evidence the DA has. Hopefully, even if she wins or not she'll get the drunken whore reputation.

MSD · 07-20-2003, 10:22 PM

Where's the option for "I have no fucking idea and that's why we have a court system. Either way, he's cheating on his wife, betraying his family's trust by screwing around, and doing this all while he has a kid. Judging by th responses of friends of the girl on TV, I'm starting to think it's a case of regretting drunken sex and wanting to cash in, but I really have no right to judge him.

Zeld2.0 · 07-20-2003, 11:47 PM

Hmm credibility is such an issue here and if the overdose story is true then the defense has a big boost.

I always personally thought the sheriff invovled and stuff was a bit biased - they said no arrest warrant until like july 7 but they went out and arrested him 4 days earlier or something (numbers are probably wrong) anyways.

The defense is no doubt going to dig up EVERYTHING about the girls past.

I think the defendant in this case already has second thoughts - she didn't realize the attention there, how every media person is looking for her, and how she may be extremely despised no matter the outcome. Not to mention the fact that now the defense is going to dig up every account/lover/attitude she has ever had in her life and is going to make it public in court.

Donkeypuncher · 07-21-2003, 05:42 PM

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Originally posted by Zeld2.0
how every media person is looking for her

Nobody's looking for her. Her name, photos, address, phone number (though I bet that's been changed or unplugged for days) are all pretty easy to find.

For me, again, this is a question for the legal system. Not my place to try her. Two people, exactly, know what happened for sure and a jury will decide which one of them is lying about it. (shrug) I'm pretty sure ANY of you would expect the same fairness if you were the one under the microscope,

Brian Fellows · 07-22-2003, 11:50 PM

Gotta wait for all the evidence to come out before a true conclusion is reached. For the sake of his family and career i hope he did not committ asssult.

maxero · 07-22-2003, 11:59 PM

maybe she was woozy from the pills?

Buk · 07-23-2003, 12:04 AM

I'd have to think that Kobe could bang just about any girl he wanted. So, why would he even slap a girl around a little in order to get some?

romeo2182 · 07-23-2003, 01:14 AM

I think it's interesting that so many people think the girl is a gold digger who just wants money. While this is one obvious option the other is that Kobe is drunk with power and ego. Being from near Philadelphia, I am very familiar with Kobe and his life's history. From what I know and have heard from people who personally know him, he has a huge ego problem. Now having a large ego doesn't make someone rape another person but I think that given what the rest of the world is finally having to come to terms with, that Kobe is not the posterchild for family values the NBA has tried to make him, it is entirely possible that Kobe did in fact rape this girl. It wouldn't be the first time somone drunk on power and pride didn't hear someone say no.

Slims · 07-23-2003, 01:16 AM

If the evidence wasn't against him, he wouldn't have been charged by the DA.

Master Fap · 07-23-2003, 01:18 AM

in my opinion this girl is just trying to make money and be famous...

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07-18-2003, 08:45 PM	#1 (permalink)
cipher Upright	Do you think Kobe is guilty? Oops. I tried to make that other Kobe thread a poll, but apparently I screwed up. And for some reason I can't seem to delete it now. Anyway, same question, now with a poll!

07-18-2003, 08:51 PM	#2 (permalink)
Donkeypuncher Psycho Location: Pasadena, CA	Same answer. No, I don't think he's guilty of rape. But - I wasn't there, I don't have all the evidence or the facts and I'd certainly hate to see him severely tried in the court of public opinion. This is a question for the legal system to answer.... __________________ "take me down, little Susie, take me down I know you think you're the Queen of The Underground"

07-18-2003, 08:54 PM	#3 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	bah, he said it was consensual and i believe him __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

07-19-2003, 06:47 AM	#7 (permalink)
SocialAbortion Tilted Location: Somewhere between heaven and hell.	Even if he isn't guilty of rape, which I doubt he is, Kobe has now proved my '25 and 25' theory. Meaning that, every man younger than 25 with more than 25 million dollars feels that they can get away with anything. The chick was probably flirting with Kobe, and he was flirting with her, and boom!. He's now an unfaithful bastard! Besides. If the girl really wanted Kobe's money, all she had to do was say 'you want me to keep this quiet? Give me a million bucks'. But she didn't extort him, she was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Now, this doesn't mean I'm tearing my Kobe poster off my wall, but it's hard to look at it with out wondering, 'did he do it?' __________________ I like your mom, and it's no fad, I want to marry her and be your dad. I am un chien andalusia.

07-18-2003, 09:03 PM	#4 (permalink)
sixate Registered User Location: Somewhere in Ohio	I don't think he raped the chic. Most likely it's just some broad that wants money for spreading her twat. Or she changed her mind after she fucked him and considers that to be rape. Chics do that shit too much now. I don't trust any chics. He is most definitely an unfaithful pile of shit.

07-18-2003, 09:10 PM	#5 (permalink)
cipher Upright	I'm really curious to see how it will be determined in court whether or not he's guilty. It's one person's word against the others. I mean, the only 2 people who know what actually happened are Kobe and the 19-year old girl. We know that they had sex, but what kind of physical evidence can you use to differentiate between consensual and non-consensual sex?

07-19-2003, 12:43 AM	#6 (permalink)
macmanmike6100 High Honorary Junkie Location: Tri-state.	just a girl who wanted sex with Kobe (and got it) and wants to cash in again whatever

07-19-2003, 08:09 AM	#9 (permalink)
Destrox Metal and Rock 4 Life Location: Phoenix	Consensual (sp?) Yes, i beleive so, she just went bitch ass on him and wants money, media, somthing... A guy like him doesnt need to rape a girl to get the poontang He may have done somthing extreemly wrong, and unfaithful, but rape? No , I dont think so. __________________ You bore me.... next.

07-19-2003, 08:39 AM	#10 (permalink)
Big Julie Guest	I'd vote, but there's no option for: "Not losing any sleep over this."

07-19-2003, 09:21 AM	#12 (permalink)
Double D Junkie Location: Chicagoland	I just had this convo with my 20 y.o. son. It was totally unsurprising what he and most of you men have to say about it. The woman who has accused him of rape is a concierge. This is Merriam-Webster's definition of what her job duties were: Main Entry: con·cierge Pronunciation: kOn-'syerzh Function: noun - a usually multilingual hotel staff member who handles luggage and mail, makes reservations, and arranges tours Possible scenerio: He is Kobe Bryant--big basketball star. She is star struck--kinda like how you all would be. He invites her to come up and visit in his suite--where most likely, there are others present--employees, hangers-on. She's offered alcoholic beverages. Perhaps she inbibes. Perhaps not. Regardless, at some point sex occurs. Was it consensual? As stated before, Kobe and his accuser and/or victim know, though there might be witnesses as well. All I know is that the majority of rape accusations are legitimate. Therefore, based on this fact, I believe it is more likely that he is guilty. I wonder how you guys would feel if this were your sister or girlfriend or wife, who has allegedly been assaulted by Kobe Bryant. Last edited by Double D; 07-19-2003 at 01:01 PM..

07-19-2003, 05:49 PM	#13 (permalink)
absorbentishe Boy am I horny today Location: T O L E D O, Toledo!!	He's guilty of adultery, but what famous athlete or rock star isn't? They all do it, it was a matter of time before some lady decided to capitalize on it. She probably seduced him into it, and now turned it into something more on purpose...

07-19-2003, 05:53 PM	#14 (permalink)
World's King Here Location: Denver City Denver	Either way he's getting off... excuse the pun __________________ heavy is the head that wears the crown

07-19-2003, 07:31 PM	#15 (permalink)
oldtimer Addict	He's an idiot. Not man enough to <b>personally</b> tell his wife, "Honey, I had sex with another woman. And, yada yada..." Shit, hiding behind the media and a wall of tears. Admit you were horny because you had not seen/been with your wife in soooo long. Maybe you were drugged up on medication from having knee surgery. Really! I mean he purposely did this (turned himself in at sake of being exposed to the media) and he knew the consequences; people will never live it down. It will continue to grow and mature as gossip and ruin the lives of all Kobe Bryant, his wife, his kid and the "innocent" american idol reject. That girl is 19 for crying out loud! Adultry!? How many here are 24 or older and have had sex with a 19 year old? Maybe younger, maybe older. Point is she is a grown woman, capable of saying no to sex. Kobe was just so ashamed he violated his marriage (trust) that he didn't know what to do and in a panic called the police (in my mind). I do not want to see another "proud whore". Monica Lewinsky (I have no respect for her & her name, therefore, I do not care if it is spelled right) has her own show!!! And, proud of it? What does she discuss? How to satisfy Bill when he's in his mood? Media! No shame, no remorse, no ethics! Just pure gossip & fame! It riles me up that if this was a regular 24 year old he would of done the sane thing. A) walk away or B) If he felt he did anything wrong <b>AT ALL</b> sat down and discussed it with her. Before going and involving the law. I do not know all the specifics and as a result I do not know if rape or consenting sex was done. So my thoughts are as if they had consenting sex. __________________ Slowly but surely getting over the loss of TFP v. 3.0. Where the hell am I?.... Showering once a month does not make you a better person. "The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy." Martin Luther King, Jr.

07-19-2003, 10:10 PM	#17 (permalink)
Steve Carozzino Upright	I was once accused of being involved in a sexual assault. Even though I was proven innocent (Me to cops: "How could I assault her if I was at a F*CKING CHURCH, with more than 30 witnesses to back me up, when it supposedly happened?"), it damaged my reputation a bunch. The rumors that were spread by the girl and her friends caused tons of problems for me in school. I can imagine how Kobe must feel right now if he is truely innocent. For now, I'm going to say that he's telling the truth.

07-19-2003, 10:47 PM	#18 (permalink)
Phaenx The Northern Ward Location: Columbus, Ohio	If I were rich, I'd be paranoid about this stuff. So much so that I'd force people who wanted some Phaenx-wang to sign a contract before they got some. __________________ "I went shopping last night at like 1am. The place was empty and this old woman just making polite conversation said to me, 'where is everyone??' I replied, 'In bed, same place you and I should be!' Took me ten minutes to figure out why she gave me a dirty look." --Some guy

07-19-2003, 11:42 PM	#19 (permalink)
Double D Junkie Location: Chicagoland	I find your responses truly frightening. This type of thinking is essentially saying, she asked for it. And those of you that truly think that way are probably quite capable of sexual assault yourselves. Way to go, boys.

07-20-2003, 12:14 AM	#20 (permalink)
Phaenx The Northern Ward Location: Columbus, Ohio	Everyone is capable of sexual assault. Because all it takes to make you a rapist is the girl having second thoughts and claiming rape. __________________ "I went shopping last night at like 1am. The place was empty and this old woman just making polite conversation said to me, 'where is everyone??' I replied, 'In bed, same place you and I should be!' Took me ten minutes to figure out why she gave me a dirty look." --Some guy

07-20-2003, 12:15 AM	#21 (permalink)
Phaenx The Northern Ward Location: Columbus, Ohio	By the way, I think Kobe's guilty anyways. Something about his voice didn't sound sincere, and Six is right, he is a pile of shit anyways for commiting adultry. __________________ "I went shopping last night at like 1am. The place was empty and this old woman just making polite conversation said to me, 'where is everyone??' I replied, 'In bed, same place you and I should be!' Took me ten minutes to figure out why she gave me a dirty look." --Some guy

07-20-2003, 04:26 AM	#22 (permalink)
tikki Justified Location: West Lafayette, IN	Free Kobe. The girl had second thoughts after what she did. I also don't think the valley girls she has running around blabbing all over TV are helping her case. __________________ Take notice. Take interest. Take me with you.

07-20-2003, 07:54 AM	#24 (permalink)
lafemmefatale Insane Location: Vancouver	It's hard to make a call on whether Kobe's innocent/guilty... however claiming that the girls having second thoughts about the sex is the reason to the claims of rape is deeply disturbing. Obviously no one wants to be accused of such a horrible crime, especially if they're innocent, but when the stats are more or less like 15% of the actual # of rape cases REPORTED, I'd have no problem encouraging girls to speak up for themselves when something seems amiss. While it should be made clear that if you give consent, you give consent, but this is also the type of event that ruins a person's life. And I for one think it's better to be safe than sorry, celebrities included. __________________ -poor is the man whose pleasure depends on the permission of another-

07-20-2003, 11:25 AM	#26 (permalink)
gov135 Junkie Location: Midwest	http://espn.go.com/nba/news/2003/0720/1583145.html Report: Incident occurred months before alleged assault -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ESPN.com news services The Colorado woman who has accused Kobe Bryant of sexual assault overdosed on pills and was rushed to a hospital two months before the alleged incident with Bryant, one of her close friends told the Orange County Register. Based on the 19-year-old woman's accusation, Bryant was officially charged with a single count of felony sexual assault Friday. If convicted, he faces four years to life in prison or 20 years to life on probation, and a fine of up to $750,000. Bryant is scheduled to return to Eagle, Colo., for a preliminary hearing on Aug. 6. Bryant, 24, said Friday that he was guilty only of committing adultery. In cases of this nature, the credibility of the accuser -- whose identity is not being revealed -- often becomes an issue. The accuser's friends have been keeping her overdose a secret -- until now, the Register reported. "I think it was just a cry for help," 18-year-old Lindsey McKinney told the newspaper. McKinney had been living at the accuser's house in May, when the woman allegedly took the pills. When she learned from the woman's ex-boyfriend that the woman had "overdosed," McKinney rushed to her home and found the woman incoherent, lethargic and seemingly drunk, according to the Register. "I was scared. She wasn't really talking at all," McKinney told the newspaper. "I was like, 'you need to open your eyes.' " Some friends of the accuser said they believed the overdose was an accident. Not McKinney. "I don't think it was accidental. I was there," she told the Register. Tyson Ivie, a former classmate of the accuser's, told the newspaper that the overdose was "a big secret" that friends have been unwilling to talk about until now. The police dispatch call from the night of the alleged assault is currently sealed from the public by investigators. The woman's father declined comment for the Register's story. According to the newspaper's report, Bryant's accuser was going through an extremely difficult period in her life at the time of the overdose. She returned home from her freshman year of college to find out her ex-boyfriend had taken up with another woman. Also, around the time of the overdose, close friend Nicole Clements died in a road accident while returning from high school graduation ceremonies. "It was kind of boom, boom, boom," McKinney told the Register. "I think the things that happened to her in the past had a lot to do with what [she said happened the night of the alleged assault]." "I know she had been going through a lot, but I know that she wouldn't lie," 19-year-old Eagle resident Ashley Scriver told the newspaper. Scriver also knew about the the overdose. The Register quoted legal experts as saying the news of the overdose will be a major advantage for Bryant's defense team. "This is powerful evidence and the answer to the defense's prayers," Robert Pugsley, a criminal law professor at Southwestern University School of Law in Los Angeles, said. Pugsley added that this kind of evidence, if exploited by the defense, could be enough to shut down the case before it reaches trial. "[Defense attorneys are] looking for a way to demonstrate that this woman is hysterical and over-reactive," Pugsley said. "This is literally dynamite evidence, a bonanza for the defense and a landmine for prosecution." Bryant's attorneys could not be reached for comment Saturday by the Register. ____________________________________________________ I know this has nothing to do with an alleged assault. But it has alot to do with credibility, especially if this is a he said/she said case. An observation: A suicide attempt - a cry for attention - and two months later she seems to have found herself alot of attention....

07-20-2003, 11:47 AM	#27 (permalink)
sixate Registered User Location: Somewhere in Ohio	It's sounding more and more like it's just some dumbass little attention whore of a cunt. She was probably drunk when they fucked and after he fucked the shit outa her she changed her mind. That shit happens all the time and guys always get in trouble. I don't trust anything with a vagina.

07-20-2003, 12:35 PM	#28 (permalink)
BBtB ClerkMan! Location: Tulsa, Ok.	Double D let me just say this. Thank god you are not a judge. (Are you a judge? God a hope not) To say that someone is guilty of rape just because he is accused? What the fuck. You are all like "think about the girl!" Well what about the guy? I really doubt you have ever been accused of rape. I have. It was a lie and was later dropped. Does that not effect me? They fucking tried to send me to jail! Did that not harm me? What the fuck. most rape is legit huh? You got some satistics on that? Because I think while maybe most IS legit. Alot is still not. Lets think about that too. __________________ Meridae'n once played "death" at a game of chess that lasted for over two years. He finally beat death in a best 34 out of 67 match. At that time he could ask for any one thing and he could wish for the hope of all mankind... he looked death right in the eye and said ... "I would like about three fiddy"

07-20-2003, 10:22 PM	#32 (permalink)
MSD The sky calls to us ... Super Moderator Location: CT	Where's the option for "I have no fucking idea and that's why we have a court system. Either way, he's cheating on his wife, betraying his family's trust by screwing around, and doing this all while he has a kid. Judging by th responses of friends of the girl on TV, I'm starting to think it's a case of regretting drunken sex and wanting to cash in, but I really have no right to judge him.

07-20-2003, 11:47 PM	#33 (permalink)
Zeld2.0 Cherry-pickin' devil's advocate Location: Los Angeles	Hmm credibility is such an issue here and if the overdose story is true then the defense has a big boost. I always personally thought the sheriff invovled and stuff was a bit biased - they said no arrest warrant until like july 7 but they went out and arrested him 4 days earlier or something (numbers are probably wrong) anyways. The defense is no doubt going to dig up EVERYTHING about the girls past. I think the defendant in this case already has second thoughts - she didn't realize the attention there, how every media person is looking for her, and how she may be extremely despised no matter the outcome. Not to mention the fact that now the defense is going to dig up every account/lover/attitude she has ever had in her life and is going to make it public in court.

07-22-2003, 11:50 PM	#35 (permalink)
Brian Fellows Tilted Location: Omaha, Ne	Gotta wait for all the evidence to come out before a true conclusion is reached. For the sake of his family and career i hope he did not committ asssult. __________________ Go Huskers!! Go BEEF!!!!

07-22-2003, 11:59 PM	#36 (permalink)
maxero Crazy	maybe she was woozy from the pills? __________________ cough

07-23-2003, 12:04 AM	#37 (permalink)
Buk Addict Location: Seattle, WA	I'd have to think that Kobe could bang just about any girl he wanted. So, why would he even slap a girl around a little in order to get some?

07-23-2003, 01:14 AM	#38 (permalink)
romeo2182 Upright	I think it's interesting that so many people think the girl is a gold digger who just wants money. While this is one obvious option the other is that Kobe is drunk with power and ego. Being from near Philadelphia, I am very familiar with Kobe and his life's history. From what I know and have heard from people who personally know him, he has a huge ego problem. Now having a large ego doesn't make someone rape another person but I think that given what the rest of the world is finally having to come to terms with, that Kobe is not the posterchild for family values the NBA has tried to make him, it is entirely possible that Kobe did in fact rape this girl. It wouldn't be the first time somone drunk on power and pride didn't hear someone say no.

07-23-2003, 01:16 AM	#39 (permalink)
Slims Eccentric insomniac Location: North Carolina	If the evidence wasn't against him, he wouldn't have been charged by the DA. __________________ "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill "All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act out their dream with open eyes, to make it possible." Seven Pillars of Wisdom, T.E. Lawrence

07-23-2003, 01:18 AM	#40 (permalink)
Master Fap Tilted	in my opinion this girl is just trying to make money and be famous... __________________ -peace out side