wooÐs

About a year ago, I quit smoking herb. But for the past couple months, I've been jones'ing hard. Unable to hook up with any old friends, I did a little research on legal smoking blends. Was going to order some various samples online, but I hit a head shop yesterday instead and picked up a gram. It works.

I got "Red Dawn Spark 30" - it also comes in 10 and 20. It's not cheap, at $35 / gram. But I really wanted to try it out. It'll get me through a little over a week I think, as I don't like to be couch locked. Just comfortably chilled. Contains all herbs, including damiana, wild lettuce, mugwort and wormwood. It affected me just like real herb, but nothing beats the taste and smell of the real stuff.

I'm curious if anyone else has delved into the 'legal bud' world. There are so many brands and blends out there. I see the reviews, but never met anyone who has actually tried it - so I tried it myself lol.

And before anyone mentions salvia, bleh. I picked up 2 oz. for $20 on ebay before it was popular and still have a shit load leftover. It was cool in the beginning but I'm over the whole 'lose control over your mind' thing. Not my cup o' tea.

Daniel_

There was a recent report on British TV that covered a number of these products, and one of the issues that they mentioned was that a number of packs sampled DID contain the listed herbs and plants, but ALSO contained unstated chemical doping agents that actually gave the high.

The risk with this sort of unregulated drug-like products (often sold "legally" as incense or room fragrance) is that they have no safety data, no purity profile and no know work up of the long term effects on health.

Ironically, the illegal drugs are better characterised and safer than many of the alternatives might prove to be in the long run.

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wooÐs

Yeah I won't be surprised if that's especially the case with salvia. But that's the deal with herbs in general. There are tons of all natural remedies that can poison you more than any doctor prescribed cocktail. Just because it's natural doesn't mean it's more healthy.

The_Jazz

OK, for the actual topic, I've got nothing to add, but this post struck the risk manager in me as being comment fodder.

There are lots of toxic herbs out there. Toxic as in lethal. With a lot of this stuff, especially if it's not a reputable source, you have no idea if that's St. John's Wort or nightbane. One's got some questionable medicinal value, the other's a poison.

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wooÐs

Well I think eventually all these 'legal highs' will be pulled. Years ago, I purchased something called 'Snurf' off a website. It's a very high dose of dextramorphan / DXM. But I didn't know that at the time as the ingredients weren't listed. I felt a little something in the beginning. Stashed them away in a drawer for a year or two, while I was prescribed new head meds. When I found the pills, I popped them and had a dreadful reaction - serotonin syndrome. I thought I was going to die. My bf att got online and learned what was happening to me. It lasted for a good 8 hours. I'd rather not rehash the play by play but it wasn't fun in the least. So now, pure DXM is pulled. Salvia's next. And who knows what else will be next.

MSD

Science lesson time!

These blends invariable contain one or more synthetic cannabinoids. JWH-018 is one of the most popular, as it acts on CB1 and CB2 receptors in a manner very similar to Δ9-THC but is not an analog of any controlled substance and therefore legal in most countries. JWH-073 and JWH-081 have similar effects and are also legal, but do not so closely resemble the effects of Δ9-THC. In large doses, JWH-018 is reported to cause intense paranoia, especially in users without a tolerance. It produces a "heady" high with a much lower body load than the mixes of cannabinoids typically found in cannabis.

CP-47497 is the main ingredient in the widely popular Spice, and has a strong affinity for the CB1 receptor with much less affinity for CB2. It is also legal in most countries. It produces a heady high with a heavier body load than JWH-018.

HU-210 is a heavy hitter. It is several hundred times more potent than Δ9-THC and produces a heavy body load and mental effects similar to potent cannabis strains. It is illegal in the US and EU, as well as any other countries with analog act laws. Spice Gold, was seized in large quantities by US customs and similarly treated in the EU after a GC/MS analysis of Spice Gold by German researchers found HU-210 to be the primary psychoactive ingredient.


Initial research has found these substances to be relatively safe when consumed in small doses. They exhibit no toxicity at recreational doses and are not known to be carcinogenic. My opinion is that JWH-018 is likely the safest of the synthetic cannabinoids and that all should be studied intensively due to strong therapeutic effects observed animal testing, but I advise users to take extreme caution when consuming any research chemical due to unknown risks of long-term, high quantity, and repeated exposure. Additionally, the propensity of these compounds to produce aromatic hydrocarbons when burned leads me to believe that vaporizing is the only way to consume it with any degree of safety, and that they pose a strong risk of lung cancer if smoked.

Under no circumstances should research chemicals be consumed by anyone taking any medication, especially anti-depressants and drugs that alter brain chemistry.

wooÐs

I read that most of these blends have synthetic cannabinoids. I also read that Spice will be pulled in due time for containing a synthetic cannabinoid that the military is now testing for in piss tests. Assuming what's listed on the ingredients list of this "Spark" stuff is accurate, it's all herbs.

Damiana Leaf, Wild Lettuce Leaf, Mugwort, Scullcap, Lion's Tail, Mullein, Blue Lotus, Red Clover, Orange Peel, Bay Leaf, Wormwood, Siberian Motherwort

Nothing fishy to me. But then again, the ingredients weren't even listed on the 'Snurf' I mentioned earlier. So I dunno. But I do know for a fact that wormwood, mugwort and wild lettuce leaf are psychoactives. Blue lotus too I think. :shrug:

Daniel_

Assuming they've not lied on the pack...

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wooÐs

Yeah that's what I was insinuating. Who knows if these ingredients are legit.

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Scratch that.

"And a proprietary formula of ingredients that synergistically potentiate the inherent properties of the ingredient herbs."

Missed the fine print.

Daniel_

Bingo!

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wooÐs

I'm noticing that I apparently purchased a very high dollar herbal blend. Most sites are selling 3 grams for about 50.00. I paid 35.00 for 1 gram. And according to their website, I saved 5.00 plus shipping. Maybe all the other brands suck? :shrug:

MSD

Post a picture of the blend itself, as close up as possible, and I can probably tell you exactly what's in it. CP-47497 is most likely it.

Brewmaniac

Tune into a buzz story and get a chemistry lesson, nice!

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wooÐs

next batch - picked it up today...





I accidentally ripped the ingredients of the Spark Gold.

Mullein, spearmint, strawberry leaf, {can't read 2,} pink lotus, blue lotus, white sutherlandia fruit, blueberry extract--- best I can make out.

BIGOX

Ive recently tried this after hearing about it from a few sources and talking to a guy at the local headshop and was told so pretty good things about the product..I only purchased the spark 20 and while i havent partaken in the hobby in over a yr and a half i experience the same effect as if i was actually using the real thing even though i was told by the five or six ppl that told me about me including the seller that it was all natual and legal..I will say though i was a little apprehensive about it at first becuase of the "fine print" but was told that alot of ppl thats on probation use it to get the same effect with out using the illlegal stuff.

wooÐs

Yeah, it definitely is similar. But I miss the smell and taste of the real deal.

The Spark Gold tastes / smells better than the 30 - not as 'incense-y / fruity.' And it's maybe just a touch weaker but not by much. Both are equally as harsh for the first couple hits.

Where in Atl are you?

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Oh - and the Spark Gold doesn't have that fine print. May not mean anything but thought I'd mention it.

BIGOX

yea as long as it doesnt show up on a drug test im all good for using this product..im up in lawrenceville..

Zeraph

Weed just needs to be legalized already. Other than that...thanks for this thread, I'm gonna save it for future use. You shouldn't completely give up on salvia yet though, who says you have to use it in high dosage for the mind altering effects? It also has an effect on numbing certain kinds of pain. Use it in low dosages blended with tobacco or the blend above your using and it gives it a small but noticeable extra kick.

Fly

decriminalized at least..........grow your own wooDs.......smoke is good for you.

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wooÐs

No doubt.
Acworth here.
I ended up going to a party last night and brought some with me for some friends who love the stuff. I have tried smoking it like a cigarette - supposed to give you a subtle high like pot. Meh. I have a prescription bottle-full left. I'm sure I'll use it again out of boredom sometime lol.
I scored last night \m/

Got some samplage for free w00t.

I grew my own one summer. Planted 5 - came out with 3 females. One was super weak though and died. I harvested too soon because I didn't know what I was doing. But it was some potent shit. Planted from bag seed. I ended with maybe 1 1/2 oz. Might do it again - who knows.

MSD

Oh, I meant the actual mixture itself. I'll run that one by some people and see if any of them know since there isn't a whole lot of info online. Spark 30's reviews make it sound like one of the JWH compounds.

wooÐs

Not very good. Sorry. Not white collar enough to have a digital just yet .



Consistency's fluffy. Very light. More yellow than green.

BIGOX

Thats whats up then woods.. i knw a lot of my ppls are using it so i figure i will be for a while till i can get back to the real deal

wooÐs

It's way expensive though. I haven't looked that hard, but there just have to be better deals online somewhere.

wooÐs

If anyone's interested, this shit's 10x's better than what I originally tried.



Also comes in vanilla and spearmint. Only trued blueberry so far - pretty interesting. But guys, I'm baked. No couch-lock but you're toasted, which is a rare type of high for me. I'll definitely be a repeat customer. Just sucks that it's $30 / gram.

Zeraph

Hope no one minds that I resurrect this old thread

But I've recently begun dipping into the spice trade (hah sounds like Dune.) So far I've gotten Hypnotic XXX, gave my a freakin seizure the first time I used it but I don't blame it because I was off my meds due to insurance issues. Now though its interesting to use...so long as you don't mind being couch locked and listening to music for an hour and a half. I'd like to find something more subtle and more like pot until the dispensaries get up and running here in AZ (yay legal medical mj passed!!!!)