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Old 08-02-2008, 02:53 PM   #1 (permalink)
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The continuing saga of Iraq, KBR, government coverup/inaction, rape, and now murder

Every time I hear another one of these stories, it's worse than the last. Just the fact I'm talking about this in the plural....it's outrageous.

There are a lot of things to be upset about regarding our government these days, whether it's the mismanagement of the Iraq War (because even if you think we should have gone there, it's hard to argue it wasn't mismanaged), the torture and indefinite detention of prisoners, or the inattention to Afghanistan, where we still haven't finished the mission we set out on shortly after September 11.

But the stories I'm about to share top all of those offenses in my opinion. Multiple factors have fallen into place in order to create these situations, and one primary factor is the outsourcing of our own defense needs to private contractors without the appropriate forethought (or any forethought at all, it seems).

Be warned, the stories I'm about to share are deeply offensive and upsetting. They may cause lengthy yelling and swearing at your computer monitor, and hopefully then into the ear of your representative to urge them to do something about this. Please forgive the length of this post...I don't think it's appropriate to cut out details on these stories. You'll want to read every single word. I've used the "hide" feature for your convenience.

Jamie Leigh Jones

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Pfc. LaVena Johnson

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I feel about as exasperated about all this as Cenk Uygur in this video. I don't doubt that even with John McCain these issues will be lessened, but these people may never get their justice. Not to mention the countless others who may have suffered in the same way.
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Old 08-02-2008, 04:24 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Is this primarily happening with private contractors? What are the numbers like for regular military by comparison?
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Old 08-02-2008, 04:37 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I'm very familiar with these cases.

Char, this is happening with military, private military, and contractors. I'm not sure about the exact comparisons, but no matter who is doing it it's wrong.
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Old 08-02-2008, 04:40 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Not just any private contractors....all three of the stories I mentioned here involve KBR, and there are other allegations against them as well. One reason there is almost no action being taken regarding these situations is because they involve private contractors. The contractors claim that they are not subject to military rules since they are private contractors, but when someone attempts to bring them to justice through civilian channels, they claim that they are exempt from that since they are contracted by the military. It's a pretty ridiculous loophole, and it leaves them with basically no accountability whatsoever.
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Old 08-02-2008, 05:40 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Yes, unfortunately rape happens. Unfortunately, in such a situation as military bases in Iraq, it's almost inevitable that it will happen, no matter what we do to try to prevent it. However, when it goes uninvestigated and unpunished, in such a systematic way, it is a complete failure of society and the rule of law, not just a heinous crime.
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Old 08-03-2008, 10:13 AM   #6 (permalink)
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This happens to military, and contractors. KBR is definitely looked down upon out here, but the big problem is that people don't know the proper channels to report such events. A new person on base does not know where the MP battalion is to report such a happening through the Military Police (I don't care if it was just contractors, anything like this should go through the MPs first). And often, the company's say "report it to your chain of command" obviously, chain of command in the company, and often your chain of command was somehow involved in the incident (either covering it up, or physically there).

A fair system needs to be setup for reporting this, and then follow-through with investigation needs to happen. Having the rape kit "lost" because the military gives it to the contracting company to further the investigation is not acceptable.

I walk around, and EVERY female out here is on their guard. Between the guys who think "war is for men, girls shouldn't be out here anyway" and the guys who think "these girls just want it anyway" I don't blame them.

I read a report recently that 4 out of every 10 women that go to VA for medical treatment report having been raped during their military tenure. That is ridiculous! The quickest way to make any change is to write letters to you state representatives. The military commercials saying "rape is unnacceptable" or "report mistreatment to your chaplain/family affairs office/chain of command" are not enough to just wipe your hands clean and say "well, we made those Public Service Announcements, isn't that enough"?
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Old 08-03-2008, 04:03 PM   #7 (permalink)
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What an absolute atrocity...
I worked in northern Iraq(Province of Kurdistan) and heard of this shi* going on.
The locals whom I spent the majority of my time with couldn't understand or fathom how expats who were either here to protect/shelter or rebuild could do the things they were doing.
It makes me sick to think that there are people.. humans.. who not only think the unthinkable, but act out. Destroying the inner sactum of peace and humility.
Sick.... Makes me want to vomit.
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Old 08-04-2008, 10:05 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Just in case anyone thinks KBR's only issue is rape (which is obviously bad enough in itself)...

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This happens to military, and contractors. KBR is definitely looked down upon out here, but the big problem is that people don't know the proper channels to report such events. A new person on base does not know where the MP battalion is to report such a happening through the Military Police (I don't care if it was just contractors, anything like this should go through the MPs first). And often, the company's say "report it to your chain of command" obviously, chain of command in the company, and often your chain of command was somehow involved in the incident (either covering it up, or physically there).

A fair system needs to be setup for reporting this, and then follow-through with investigation needs to happen. Having the rape kit "lost" because the military gives it to the contracting company to further the investigation is not acceptable.

I walk around, and EVERY female out here is on their guard. Between the guys who think "war is for men, girls shouldn't be out here anyway" and the guys who think "these girls just want it anyway" I don't blame them.

I read a report recently that 4 out of every 10 women that go to VA for medical treatment report having been raped during their military tenure. That is ridiculous! The quickest way to make any change is to write letters to you state representatives. The military commercials saying "rape is unnacceptable" or "report mistreatment to your chaplain/family affairs office/chain of command" are not enough to just wipe your hands clean and say "well, we made those Public Service Announcements, isn't that enough"?

I'm going to assume you are either Army or Marines so correct me if I'm wrong. The Air Force has the IG to report crimes or other mishaps. They're outside of your chain of command entirely and work directly with you. The point is to use the IG when your own chain of command is doing nothing to help you, such as the case with the murders and rapes it seems.

Is there nothing like that at the bases in Iraq? I can't see how the bases over there wouldn't have something like this.
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Old 08-04-2008, 04:22 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I'm going to assume you are either Army or Marines so correct me if I'm wrong. The Air Force has the IG to report crimes or other mishaps. They're outside of your chain of command entirely and work directly with you. The point is to use the IG when your own chain of command is doing nothing to help you, such as the case with the murders and rapes it seems.

Is there nothing like that at the bases in Iraq? I can't see how the bases over there wouldn't have something like this.
I fall under the "evil contractor" branch of the military. Some companies, in their contracts, are allowed to let their contractors utilize various services that the military provides out here (reporting a crime to MPs or IG). While I think MPs would more than happily take a report especially in such a grotesque crime, they might not have the jurisdiction to further investigate, and may have to turn over the investigation back to the company in charge of the contractor (again depends on the contract). I think when it comes to such things, there needs to be a structure and ruleset for reporting and seeing that an investigation is carried through, and the second part of that, there needs to be a way to disseminate that information to new people. Being a new person landing on any base out here is different. It's not obvious where to go to report anything, let alone who to go to.

While the military has access to the IG, and through training they probably no that. A brand new contractor with no prior military experience (from the U.S., India, Sri Lanka wherever) showing up on base may not learn these things for weeks, and most people I know aren't willing to ask a frank question of "where do I go to report if I have been raped?".
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Old 08-05-2008, 07:31 PM   #11 (permalink)
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