06-30-2008, 04:42 AM | #1 (permalink) | |
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the bottled water confessional
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you see these claims that capitalism is somehow rational because of the relation of supply to demand. you see these claims that demand, somehow, runs the show. but sometimes you look around. you're wandering the aisles in a convenience store. in the refrigerator between the wall of budweiser and the wall of processed cheese and meat-like products, you see 5 different kinds of bottled water. what is this? you wonder. why are there bottles of tap water for sale? some of them even make fun of me--evian spelled backward. o, but it's so much bigger than you think: Quote:
becoming a water sommelier is my new alternate identity project. i like the efforts to explain bottled water as magic. magic is a little park erected in the center of downtown chumpville. we want what we are told we want. but i buy bottles of sparkling water. i like the bubbles. i say to myself: there are no bubbles in tapwater. and that is what keeps me from recognizing the extent to which i, too, am a chump. it is the sense of superiority enjoyed by the vast alliance of those of us who like bubbles relative to those of you who do not that explains this thread are you a chump for bottled water as well?
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06-30-2008, 05:05 AM | #2 (permalink) |
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I drink a special kind of water - the brand is Del Cano
Tap water here is pretty great so that's what I do. I buy some bottled water at work, but it only costs me 21 cents a bottle (1.5 l) at the very cheap supermarket on our doorstep. That would be 33 cents in the States. I'll drink water from the tap if it tastes good...water does have a taste, sometimes it is more noticeable than others. I think for people who are very sensitive to the taste of water and have the money to spend, I don't see why they shouldn't at least be helped by a water list that describes each one. A sommelier...that's taking it a little too far. Certain waters don't agree with people also, sensitive stomachs and all that. I have friends living in London who tell me the tap water in certain areas gives them weird symptoms later, and also it tastes funny. So they don't drink tap water. There's also the case of being poisoned by tap water, which has occurred ocasionally in some places (some toxic product being discharged into the water supply or water that hasn't been duly processed getting to taps in peoples' homes), but then I have also heard cases with tap water of a similar nature. I think it's silly to pay ridiculous amounts of money for "special" water. I'm happy with tap water. But I also think that in the future we may have to pay to be able to obtain it...and that's a far more serious situation.
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06-30-2008, 05:28 AM | #3 (permalink) |
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I typically buy a big ass bottle of water, and then refill it for as long as I can manage not to lose it. I think it's hilarious that people buy scads and pallets of bottled water to bring home and take up 1/3 of the fridge, when they can just get a glass and some ice and have a nice cold drink of water.
And I agree with you rb: water sommelier has a nice ring to it. I think I might have to use that at the next "getting to know you" type of dinner I go to - with the addition of discussing the "mouthfeel" of the different waters.
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06-30-2008, 05:49 AM | #4 (permalink) |
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One of the aspects of the bottled water industry that pisses me off is giving rights to the bottled water company to pump large amounts of water out of natural aquafirs, which I consider to be a publically owned resource in most cases...even if the pumping is on private property, to me it's like a river flowing through your property that you usually don't have right to stop, use up, etc.
In the U.S. I noticed the bottled water industry growing rapidly after stories about pathogens and harmful chemicals being in the water supply became more of a publically discussed issue. In other parts of the world, the utility water supply is so bad that the water is not even safe to drink, so logically bottled water and filtering systems were more in demand in those areas even before the more recent growth of the bottled water industry. I have no doubt that the utility water supply in a lot of areas of the world can at least have a very bad taste, and at worst chemicals or pathogens. Where I live the tap water is quite good, tastes smooth due to low mineral content, so I often drink it right from the tap; we also have an appropriate filter on the water feeding our refrigerator ice maker and water dispenser. I'm sure some mineral content can be good for you, but most high mineral waters taste horrible to me. Like where I work the water tastes horrible due to very high mineral content...I don't know if it's harmful but it tastes really bad, so we have filtered water going to water coolers and ice makers. In most municipalities it seems that there is already a charge for tap water in one of the taxes we pay. Where I live it is specifically charged by the utility water company; other places it's included in some other kind of tax. But it costs a lot of money to maintain the infrastructure to deliver clean water, as well as to treat and/or get rid of wastewater/sewage, and that has to be paid for one way or another. In my family we buy some bottled water on a regular basis. When we're in the car and stop at a convenience store and the kids are thirsty, and we didn't plan ahead to carry water with us, they often buy bottled water. One of my boys thinks Fuji water tastes the best so I let him buy it, though I haven't noted much difference in my casual sampling. |
06-30-2008, 06:03 AM | #5 (permalink) | |
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pig id be careful if i was you.. i do recall reading somewhere that the pvc in water bottles break down releasing some cancer causing agents or something along those lines. im sure of it. i read it a year ago. ill see if i can dig it up. maybe some googlefreak here could find it
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06-30-2008, 06:09 AM | #6 (permalink) |
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Fiji water is one particularly glaring example of the absurdity of this. The brand is built around cleanliness, stylishness, and environmentalism. But the bottles are made in China and shipped to the beautiful island of Fiji (where locals routinely suffer from a lack of clean drinking water). The source water is drawn from a volcanic artesian well that is not renewable. Then it's shipped to the US (mainly) for sale.
A finished product--a one liter bottle of Fiji Water takes 26 liters of water and a kilogram of fossil fuel to make, and creates over one pound of CO2. By ounce, certain beer is now cheaper than certain water OR gasoline. So screw driving to work--let's just drink beer all day! |
06-30-2008, 06:09 AM | #7 (permalink) | |
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Snopes says false. http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/petbottles.asp
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06-30-2008, 06:12 AM | #8 (permalink) |
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People claim that the tap water where I live is pretty nasty. Nevertheless, I can't tell much difference between it and most bottled water. I'd suspect in blind taste tests, those willing to pay up to have some schmuck pair the water they are drinking with their meal can't either.
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06-30-2008, 06:16 AM | #9 (permalink) |
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We have a supply of bottled water in our basement, primarily for the use as a travel convenience, in the car, as an option to purchasing over-priced drinks in convenience stores. Also, since pop is not a drink that our family favours, there is no other portable option with the exception of coffee.
Our second reason for the supply of bottle water is for emergency preparedness. There's always a certain level of Litres/person on supply for the 72 hour recommendation in the event that we have an emergency situation. So anytime a flat of 24 bottles goes on sale, we top up our supply. The tap water in Toronto, is fairly decent. I like it, but definitely prefer the taste from the bathroom faucet versus the kitchen faucet. And on a hot day, cold water right out of the garden hose... magical! Last edited by Leto; 06-30-2008 at 06:17 AM.. Reason: Automerged Doublepost |
06-30-2008, 08:42 AM | #10 (permalink) |
Currently sour but formerly Dlishs
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well played lemon.. i knew you'd come through
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06-30-2008, 09:00 AM | #11 (permalink) |
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Location: Winston-Salem, NC
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I absolutely cannot drink the tap water where I live. It tastes like rot and death and minerals combined. It's undrinkable to me. So I confess that I......
....DO NOT BUY BOTTLED WATER BECAUSE IT'S A FUCKING RIPOFF!!!! I have a Brita water dispenser in my refrigerator that we fill up every 2 days with the rotten tap water and it comes out tasting like Zeus shared his cup with us. It's super cold and super fresh and super clean. My wife fills up a bottle with this filtered tap water. There is no excuse to buying bottled water unless you're at a convenience store dying of thirst and you don't want to buy a soft drink. And even then you're getting ripped off because diet mountain dew doesn't come out of a faucet. |
06-30-2008, 09:08 AM | #12 (permalink) | |
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06-30-2008, 09:37 AM | #13 (permalink) |
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Location: reykjavík, iceland
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the water here smells like fart (well ok, the cold water doesn´t) but i don´t see much demand for bottled water (there are people who may correct me on this.) there are a couple of "iceland" brand waters for sale but i think they sell for extremely cheap.
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06-30-2008, 09:50 AM | #14 (permalink) | |
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Anyway, the cold water here is fantastic, and I must say I've never tasted anything better from a tap elsewhere in the world. I grew up drinking well water from our property at home, have always drank from the tap through college and grad school, and have never bought bottled water except when I'm traveling in countries where the water might kill me. I will admit to preferring Brita-filtered water when I'm drinking from city taps in the US, though. But otherwise, Icelandic water can't be beat!
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06-30-2008, 10:03 AM | #15 (permalink) |
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I don't buy bottled water. I buy generic powerade/gatorade and refill the bottles with water when I need it, or (gasp!) use my 3 nalgene water bottles for the same purpose.
Yes, I like filtered water better than tap water.. but mostly because it's colder since I have a filter jug that goes in the fridge. I still drink tap water a lot.. at least a cup every time I brush my teeth or use the toilet, and more to take my vitamins and such. I drink out of the garden hose during the summer, so I'm not one to be snobby about water taste.
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06-30-2008, 10:22 AM | #16 (permalink) | |
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06-30-2008, 10:36 AM | #17 (permalink) | |
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... My general feeling is that bottled water is for dumbasses and deployed soldiers... How about the amount of bottled water the US Army consumes in Iraq and Afghanistan? I killed about six 1.5L bottles a day per deployment. The "landfills" we loaded over there will topped with bottles like some kinda see-through pyramid complex. Mmm, I should research some statistics on this. |
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06-30-2008, 10:58 AM | #22 (permalink) |
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Location: Central Republic of Where-in-the-Hell
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I used to buy bottled water pretty often. I didn't like the taste of our tap water, and I didn't want to buy soda or juice at school/gas stations/wherever.
Then I realized how much I was spending. Not only that, but the number of plastic water bottles that end up in landfills instead of being recycled was disgusting (to me, anyway.) Soooo...I bought a Brita pitcher. It's absolutely wonderful, and like lasereth said, it makes the yucky tapwater taste like awesome (well, I'm paraphrasing a bit ) Then I bought a hard plastic water bottle that I carry with me all the time. I save money, I don't have to go on a scavenger hunt for a recycling bin, and I get cold, yummy water. Everybody wins. (and by everybody, I mean me.)
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06-30-2008, 12:53 PM | #23 (permalink) |
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The tap water where I live tastes absolutely disgusting and it smells terrible.
I generally will buy a huge 40 pack of 500ml water bottles from Costco for about $5.00. Its handy and it has no fluoride in it. Then when I run out of water I simply fill them all back up from filtered tap water and keep using them! Mind you the bottles are only for when I am out, when I am at home I use my water filter. Paying more than about 40 cents per bottle of water sounds outlandishly expensive to me. |
06-30-2008, 01:09 PM | #25 (permalink) |
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I too like bubbles in my water, but I also like a bit of fruit juice in it as well.
As for pretentiousness? Well, that's just an ugly, ugly mode of operation.
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06-30-2008, 01:14 PM | #26 (permalink) |
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I had a plant that I watered with some of the water I had in my bottles. When I started using tap, the plant started dying. Did I keep buying bottled water? No, I bought a purifier... easy as that.
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06-30-2008, 01:38 PM | #27 (permalink) |
Upright
Location: reykjavík, iceland
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that´s one fussy plant you have there. did you only water it with evian water?
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06-30-2008, 01:40 PM | #28 (permalink) |
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Location: Chicago
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We used to buy bottled water and the gallon jugs of water when we lived in Phoenix. The water there is horrible or at least it was in our apartment. I hated spending money for water and creating the extra garbage so we bought a Brita water filter and 36 oz sport water bottles. We saved a ton of money and a ton of bottles going to the landfill.
Penn and Teller did a Bullshit show on bottled water. It was hilarious. They got a bunch of pretentious people in a Water Bar and offered a water menu with descriptions, much like a wine list. People were sipping and commenting on the different undertones of each sample. The dumb asses were drinking glasses of hose water that a guy was filling up in the alley. Water bottles are a convenience, but an overpriced one. I always grab the cheapest one when I'm out and no other options are available.
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06-30-2008, 03:10 PM | #29 (permalink) | |
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i'll buy bottled water if i'm out and have forgotten to fill up my 64 oz gigundo-mug that i drink daily. however, in college i caught c. diff (unaffectionately known as "swamp ass" in the medical community) from the refiller thing at Publix where you can take your 5 gallon containers. some show swabbed all those dispensers one time and i was horrified at what grows inside the spout. so now i'm really, really careful about reusing bottles and where stuff comes from in the first place because no Brita or the like catches that stuff.
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06-30-2008, 03:51 PM | #30 (permalink) | |
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06-30-2008, 04:26 PM | #31 (permalink) |
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I bought a gallon of distilled water for use in my iron,
but I've found I never iron any clothing. I think it must be a few years old. I do like the fizzy fruit flavored mineral water mixed with juice, but it's right up there as rare a treat as a lobster dinner. |
06-30-2008, 04:34 PM | #33 (permalink) | |
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Bottled water is not only a ripoff, it's environmentally unsound. Between the plastic in the bottles and the draining of aquifers in one region and transporting it elsewhere, it isn't sustainable.
And this doesn't even get into the cost of purchasing what is essentially free (granted your tax dollars pay for municipal supply). As for the water bottles... those of you using Nalgene, or similar products, should be aware of the possible health risk associated with certain types of plastics. The hard, clear, polycarbonate plastics like those found in many Nalgene bottles has been labelled as, "toxic to human health" by Health Canada. The thing to look for is the #7 in the recycling symbol on the bottom of your plastic bottles (most off the shelf water bottles are #1 type plastic). Quote:
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06-30-2008, 04:53 PM | #34 (permalink) |
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Yeah, that whole Nalgene thing is alarming. I was one of the first wave of users, back when all they sold were the grey bottles with blue tops--that was 10+ years ago in college, and I used Nalgenes pretty much consistently since then, up until now. However, I think I only used hot water in mine once, so the temperatures were probably in the safe range most of the time... but one can't be too sure.
When we were in the US in May, ktspktsp got one of the new BPA-free bottles at REI, and I'll be getting one of those as well soon, now that I've lost my last polycarbonate Nalgene in Iceland. Hopefully nothing in there will kill us. How many of you baby-parents out there avoid using plastic bottles for the same reason? I have some friends here who are adamant about using glass-only, because they're so afraid of what boiling the clear plastic baby bottles will do to their children (one woman goes so far as to claim that the stuff leaching out of the plastic is making boys more feminine?!?!?!).
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06-30-2008, 05:17 PM | #35 (permalink) |
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I personally drink tap water at home, not filtered. I think my water tastes great but we recently had a lead water scare that the city investigated in my neighbourhood. My office is just down the road and our ceo hired a private company to come in test our water which passed.
I keep bottled water in my fridge for company but use it occasionally when i go out and don't want to carry around a reusable bottle i use if i am going out with my backpack. edit: it just clicked that my water probably tastes good because of the lead.... I refuse to drink Dansai or Aquafina but love Fiji bottle water if I can find it (rare here). another edit sorry: I also worry about the Nalgene bottle issue like Abaya I have used them for years. Last edited by canuckguy; 06-30-2008 at 05:21 PM.. |
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06-30-2008, 07:55 PM | #37 (permalink) |
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I don't drink bottled water. To tell you the truth, I don't often drink straight-up water unless it has bubbles in it. When I do drink it's out of the bottle for my bicycle, and it comes from the tap. My city just won a local award for best tasting water, competing against other cities in the area. But I have definitely been places--like Nevada and Arizona--where I wouldn't drink the tap water. It just tastes gross. I've been spoiled by good water my entire life; I grew up in an area with a community well, and even in the suburbs of Portland the water is quite tasty. Where I live now the water is 60% pumped out of the Willamette River (it's still clean where my town is on it), 40% from a creek in the Coast Range. Sometimes I run it through the Brita pitcher, but that's mostly just to have super cold water waiting for me in the fridge on a hot hot day.
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Bottled water should only be used for emergencies. If you are stockpiling for your own emergencies you can use 2 drops/gal of tap water to stabilize the stuff so it'll store 3-4 months easy. Doesn't even taste bad after a month.
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re: the Nalgene scare: Oh please. BPE is a part of that plastic, no doubt. It comes out of the plastic when you boil water and put it in the bottles. Bottom line? You shouldn't let your Nalgene get hot in the car and then drink THAT water. On another note, if you're a serious climber you should use stainless steel bottles. But you already knew that, being a serious climber. NALGENE IS FINE FOR GENERAL USE. Too bad the Nalgene company jumped on the BPE bandwagon and discontinued the manufacture of that bottle. I know 40 year male users who haven't grown tits yet. Oh yeah, don't use bottles containing BPE to microwave your baby's formula in, either. If anyone has any of these "banned" Nalgene bottles (1L preferably but 0.5L might be cool too) who wants to send it to me for the price of shipping, I will gladly receive it. I only have two of them and would like a lifetime supply.
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