ngdawg

I've had rosacea all my life and menopause has actually made it better,but I still don't go out in public without cover-up on it. Interestingly enough, although I have extremely oily skin, if I don't use a decent moisturizer after washing, I feel like my skin is being pulled off, it's so dry and taut. My (former) dermatologist explained that all that scrubbing and such that we do to eradicate the acne also removes the natural protections our bodies make, which starts a vicious cycle of skin irritation, acne, overproduction of oil, scrubbing to get it off....and said the best moisturizer is our own oil, so now, when it starts pouring out, I rub it back in
Actually, watch sports shows and their commercials-plain looking guys slap on some aftershave or body spray and beautiful women are running toward them in heated passion. Five blades in your razor will guarantee they can't stop stroking your face. Wear Dockers and they're giving you their phone numbers....

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Ourcrazymodern?

This will seem irreverant at first:

Did you hear about the agnostic, dyslexic insomniac?

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pnarel

What you say is true, but these men in perfume commercials being chased by women are not undressed thereby showing off their lack of 6-pack abs, because their role in the commercial is not to model anything but to simply advertise a tangible product not related to clothing or appearance (they are more actors than models). Also, the fact that the guys are average could be more to improve the comical aspect of these commercials rather than to make average men feel better about themselves.

Pertaining to shaving products, I have never seen an ugly face model for a Gillette commercial, and even if a particular model would seem unnattractive, that would be quite different from a commercial with purposefully less attractive men purposefully done to improve mens' self-image.

Although I'm sure my point could be further argued, I don't believe that I have ever seen a commercial targeted towards men that stressed self-esteem issues as greatly as the Dove ad campaign (no commercials with overweight men lined up in nothing more than their undies), and that is the reason that we are discussing this in the first place.

Nimetic

I'd like to second this somewhat.

To me, Dove is simply trying to sell. In this case their marketing campaign is puts accross an idea of them being different.

There's a whole rash of companies with similar approaches (eg bodyshop). It's worth having a high level of suspicion about this I reckon.

Also... it does seem rather patronizing. As a lady said earlier. I mean, I'm a guy. If I was a woman I'd be offended. If I say a similar campaign with older guys in underwear, I'd probably be offended. Do they think we're stupid. Do they think we'll cheer them on if they tell us that we're ok?

Man. There is not a single obese woman there... They are all fine.

Actually - I think the Aust version has some slightly heavier ladies. Not that this is what you notice... I see a woman with a decent sized chest, wearing only underwear. That's my take on it as a guy.