Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community  

Go Back   Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community > Chatter > General Discussion


 
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 12-08-2006, 07:23 AM   #41 (permalink)
has all her shots.
 
mixedmedia's Avatar
 
Location: Florida
Like a few other people here have alluded to, I'm wondering why the hell this kid had a Gameboy under the Christmas tree in the first place. If I remember tradition correctly he should have had a bag of charcoal wrapped up under there. Unbelievable.
__________________
Most people go through life dreading they'll have a traumatic experience. Freaks were born with their trauma. They've already passed their test in life. They're aristocrats. - Diane Arbus
PESSIMISM, n. A philosophy forced upon the convictions of the observer by the disheartening prevalence of the optimist with his scarecrow hope and his unsightly smile. - Ambrose Bierce
mixedmedia is offline  
Old 12-08-2006, 07:42 AM   #42 (permalink)
pinche vato
 
warrrreagl's Avatar
 
Location: backwater, Third World, land of cotton
Quote:
Originally Posted by mixedmedia
Like a few other people here have alluded to, I'm wondering why the hell this kid had a Gameboy under the Christmas tree in the first place. If I remember tradition correctly he should have had a bag of charcoal wrapped up under there. Unbelievable.
Spot on.

Last month, Grancey and I were walking through Target with her brother and his family (his wife and their two teenage kids). We were there supposedly for them to buy the 15-year old son an $80 video game. For some reason, the conversation turned to their family dog and Grancey's brother lamented how the two kids no longer walk the dog or clean out the catbox anymore and it's left up to their parents to do it all. Grancey very succinctly and eloquently said, "Maybe he shouldn't get a video game until he starts walking the dog."

You would have thought Grancey had suggested they put a bullet in the kid's head based on their reaction. I think the future rule for that situation is "don't ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever suggest to a parent how to handle their kids." Of COURSE she was right. But....

They did not buy the video game at that point but they also didn't speak more than three syllables for the rest of the weekend. Also, the kid was royally pissed at us becase we'd ruined his new purchase.

And THAT'S why the "it takes a village" bullshit doesn' fly. I'm sure with the kid in South Carolina, many "villagers" had chimed in on his situation for years - teachers, relatives, neighbors, coaches, ministers, etc. - and good old mom had either gotten royally pissed or threatened to sue.
__________________
Living is easy with eyes closed.
warrrreagl is offline  
Old 12-08-2006, 08:03 AM   #43 (permalink)
 
roachboy's Avatar
 
Super Moderator
Location: essex ma
one thing i learned during my period as santa claus is that santa claus is the superego--but also that the superego function poses a kinda problem for the xmas retail logic, so has to be attenuated.

you dont see department store santas threatening kids with lumps of coal. that would get in the way of cultivating that smooth relationship to consumerism-as-freedom-and-as-total-self-definition so central to the meaning of xmas.

and perhaps therein lies the problem: the breakdown of parental authority begins with department store santa clauses eliminating the threat of misery for xmas if you, kid, do not obey.

santa should have interrogated the kid and when systematic misbehaviour was discovered, threatened the kid with a lump of coal as the opening round of a series of escalating afflictions: shape up or you'll find yourself with hellfire and damnation or plagued with locusts or at the center of a shower of frogs.

and if the kid objected, santa should have tasered him.

i'm santa claus. don't fuck with me.

boundaries, that's what we need.
boundaries and punishments.
we need isolated nuclear families made up of people who are willing to tell kids like it is:

"santa claus will NOT bring you commodities if you do not obey."

you have to be strong about this.
sometimes the truth is hard.
__________________
a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle
spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear

it make you sick.

-kamau brathwaite
roachboy is offline  
Old 12-08-2006, 08:28 AM   #44 (permalink)
has all her shots.
 
mixedmedia's Avatar
 
Location: Florida
Quote:
Originally Posted by roachboy
"santa claus will NOT bring you commodities if you do not obey."
__________________
Most people go through life dreading they'll have a traumatic experience. Freaks were born with their trauma. They've already passed their test in life. They're aristocrats. - Diane Arbus
PESSIMISM, n. A philosophy forced upon the convictions of the observer by the disheartening prevalence of the optimist with his scarecrow hope and his unsightly smile. - Ambrose Bierce
mixedmedia is offline  
Old 12-08-2006, 08:44 AM   #45 (permalink)
Tilted
 
Location: Manhattan Island
Quote:
Originally Posted by ratbastid
A parent's rules should be like gravity. Gravity never explains the rules. Gravity just enforces the rules, universally, immediately, and without deviation. Mess with gravity's rules, you end up on your butt, no matter how much you whine or pout about it. By the time we're 2 or so, we've got that figured out, and we never question gravity's rules again.
It sounds to me like you've been watching the Dog Whisperer too much. Human beings are a lot more complex and intelligent than household pets and therefore deserve a little more respect. I understand that cognitive development prevents kids from understanding certain concepts at certain ages. I am not sure at what ages you condone punishing or enforcing rules without explaining them, but I believe that even at the youngest age a child deserves more than that - unless of course you want to end up with a little robot that secretly despises you. The kind of enforcement you suggest will work for most parents if they have a strong will. I'm afraid, however, that as the child grows older and is responsible for making decisions on their own, they will be more likely to rebel against their oppressive parents. By the time most kids are high school seniors or freshman in college they can't handle the freedom given to them. They end up drinking way too much, contracting a few STDs and wasting their parent’s money.

It doesn't surprise me that so many of you have responded by saying that kids should be spanked and rules should always be enforced without the need for explanation. I feel the same frustration with the kind of kid that was the subject of this thread. The trouble is that for all these "problem children" any amount of force imposed on them by the time they are 6 or 7 will probably not do anything. When you are raised by such horrible parents I doubt there is much left that they could do. Doing a complete 180 and punishing the kid for every little thing will not fix the situation at this point.

My parents punished me when I did something wrong and I had my fair share of fights with them when I was a little kid. The difference is that they didn't hit me or treat me like a dog, ever. They always explained to me and my sister exactly what was wrong and what their rationale behind the punishment was. They let us know why what we were doing was wrong and why it was necessary to correct our behavior. I never ever looked at my Christmas presents even though my parents would tell us where they were. I didn't always do what I was told to do by authorities either, but my parents raised me to be that way. My mom and dad are two of the most intelligent people that I know, and as such they never had a problem arguing or discussing the nature of their parenting. They were right, and I thank god that we had an open dialogue at all times because it taught me to not only question authority, but also that my parents are smart as hell; so not only did I just listen to them, I actually believed that what they told me was for my best interest and I never felt a need to rebel against them or keep anything from them.

Love is the answer
Terminal Frost is offline  
Old 12-08-2006, 09:15 PM   #46 (permalink)
Psycho
 
Actually after reading the police report, I see why they had to file the complaint. The mom is basically putting the kid in DJJ, because he will not respect authority and has been kick out of school and failed rebound twice. The only way to put the kid in DJJ is to charge him with an actual crime.
Miss Mango is offline  
Old 12-09-2006, 03:19 AM   #47 (permalink)
<Insert wise statement here>
 
MageB420666's Avatar
 
Location: Hell if I know
Quote:
Originally Posted by shakran
If he's such a hellion, maybe he should have been arrested when he assaulted the cop.
Read the police report in the link. He has a court date for the assault incident.
__________________
Apathy: The best outlook this side of I don't give a damn.
MageB420666 is offline  
Old 12-09-2006, 05:09 AM   #48 (permalink)
Tone.
 
shakran's Avatar
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MageB420666
Read the police report in the link. He has a court date for the assault incident.

Then that proves my point. He's already been arrested for assaulting a cop. That's a much more serious charge than peeking at a christmas present. What exactly did Mom-of-the-Year think she was going to accomplish here.
shakran is offline  
Old 12-09-2006, 06:19 PM   #49 (permalink)
Browncoat
 
Telluride's Avatar
 
Location: California
Quote:
Originally Posted by ratbastid
A parent's rules should be like gravity. Gravity never explains the rules. Gravity just enforces the rules, universally, immediately, and without deviation. Mess with gravity's rules, you end up on your butt, no matter how much you whine or pout about it. By the time we're 2 or so, we've got that figured out, and we never question gravity's rules again.
I disagree with this statement. I think parents should explain the rules whenever possible. It is, in my opinion, better that the child know why certain behavior is wrong. It may eventually help the child make decisions regarding behavior if they are faced with something that they haven't specifically been scolded/punished for.
__________________
"I am certain that nothing has done so much to destroy the safeguards of individual freedom as the striving after this mirage of social justice." - Friedrich Hayek
Telluride is offline  
Old 12-10-2006, 12:01 PM   #50 (permalink)
Paq
Junkie
 
Paq's Avatar
 
Location: South Carolina
HOLY SHIT!!!! I LIVE IN THAT CITY!!!!!!!!!

and my gf in arizona told me that she watched the news story on it out there...

yay, we're finally getting exposure.


sad thing is, this isn't really uncommon for some areas in my town
__________________
Live.

Chris
Paq is offline  
 

Tags
arrested, boy, early, gift, opening, xmas


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 11:58 AM.

Tilted Forum Project

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2
© 2002-2012 Tilted Forum Project

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360