09-19-2006, 05:42 PM | #1 (permalink) | |
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The stereotype of "Fat" will no longer be held by America
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What do yall think? Will this trend change the stereotype or do you think it will even matter?
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09-19-2006, 06:08 PM | #2 (permalink) |
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I have been watching the Icelanders get bigger and fatter over the past 6 years of me visiting there. The convenience foods have become more prolific and more fattening i.e. hot dogs, were plain, then had bacon wrapped around them, then had cheese, then were deep fried, and now have potato salad in the buns.
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09-19-2006, 06:13 PM | #3 (permalink) | |
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09-19-2006, 06:33 PM | #4 (permalink) |
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See? We can still innovate.
Once again the French follow our lead. --- Fast food is the antichrist. ---
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09-19-2006, 06:36 PM | #6 (permalink) |
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See? We can still innovate.
Once again the French follow our lead. --- Fast food is the antichrist. ---
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09-19-2006, 07:33 PM | #7 (permalink) |
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As with any other nation, France has its share of fat people. There is certainly a perception, even among Americans, that Americans are fatter than most other nationalities. But we aren't out of the ordinary in this regard compared to other, ahem, *developed* nations.
I've heard the traditional Ethiopian diet melts the fat right off...
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09-19-2006, 07:45 PM | #8 (permalink) | |
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09-19-2006, 07:47 PM | #9 (permalink) | |
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09-19-2006, 07:55 PM | #11 (permalink) | |
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09-20-2006, 06:50 AM | #12 (permalink) | |
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09-20-2006, 07:39 PM | #14 (permalink) | |
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09-21-2006, 12:24 PM | #16 (permalink) |
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Oh, and I really think this will have zero impact on the idea of fat Americans.
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09-21-2006, 04:01 PM | #17 (permalink) |
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the world is going to get eaten up by fat people.
the french are incredibly lazy. my friend studying over there says that the county is heading into economic trouble because it's such a serious problem. as for them getting fat. I think its just because they are humans too. Humans always seem to opt for the easier of two choices, and between healthy food and fast food, its pretty obvious which one is easier. |
09-21-2006, 05:14 PM | #18 (permalink) |
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"Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind."
-Albert Einstein Or, maybe: "Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the obesity of humankind."
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09-21-2006, 06:08 PM | #19 (permalink) | |
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09-21-2006, 06:23 PM | #20 (permalink) |
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Maybe expanding waistlines can finally heal the political rift between the US and its European allies. I suggest training an army of obese Westerners who can be rapidly deployed anywhere in the world in order to eat the terrorists (and those who harbor them).
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09-21-2006, 07:23 PM | #21 (permalink) |
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I always thought Euros stayed thin by chain smoking.
Does this mean they are smoking less or are they fat now and still smoking?
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09-21-2006, 07:44 PM | #22 (permalink) | |
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Another factor is portion size. I believe Americans invented the idea of "super size." It looks like they've exported it with everything else. The hook is simple economics. Consider the following: Let's say you can large-size your meal of a hamburger, small fries, and small Coke. I don't go to McDonald's often, so I don't know the usual cost, but let's say it costs about half the combined price of a small fries and Coke to make them into large sizes (we'll say $1.50). Simple economics will tell you that this is an incredible deal. However, you've just paid them $1.50 to add 500 calories to your meal (which is equal to nearly 3 cups of Basmati rice, by the way). A good deal shouldn't dictate how much you eat. Here's another interesting comparison: Hamburger, large fries, large Coke: 1130 calories Cuban-style black beans and rice for a family of three: 1080 calories
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09-21-2006, 08:06 PM | #23 (permalink) |
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It's 39 cents to supersize... even a better deal.
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09-21-2006, 08:30 PM | #24 (permalink) | |
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I know why people are fat.
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09-21-2006, 09:22 PM | #25 (permalink) | |
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09-21-2006, 11:38 PM | #26 (permalink) |
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It's not Supersize any more. They stopped that after the documentry of the same name (Supersize Me). You just go large
Personally, I'm sick of all the burgar joint's idea of french frys. I just get my burgar and my water bottle, and I'm good. Personally, we need healthier fast food, like Yoshinoya A beef and rice bowl with green tea and chicken soup, yumm.
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09-21-2006, 11:41 PM | #27 (permalink) |
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Well, I can't speak for France, but here in Prague a good way to spot foreigners and short-haulers ( especially Americans and Brits ) is to check out their waistlines, especially for women. You never see Czech women who are more than slightly overweight that aren't at least 40-ish, and the 300lb+ Rotundimus Maximii which to badly overpopulate the US are virtually unknown here. Neither sex here inclines to fatness, despite having US-brand fast food all over the place and a local cuisine that seems to regard salt, gravy, cream, and dumplings as each having their own Food Group.
And I would have to say that walking prolly has a lot to do with it. Praguers walk anywhere they can't take a subway or trolly to; only abut 15-20% of the population owns a car. |
09-22-2006, 02:51 AM | #28 (permalink) |
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It's so funny some of the statements made in this thread. The french are like this the french say the americans are like that...my favourite was that most europeans don't have cars. Next you're going to say that european women don't shave their armpits, right? I don't think of americans as fat. I know there is an obesity problem supposedly going on, but I'd say it's more a western civilization problem than american. But of course, because fast food is an american concept, of course that's where most of the attention is focused on. I also don't think of the french as lazy. I've known plenty of hardworking french people. But I know the USA and France have an ongoing spat so this thread doesn't surprise me...
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09-22-2006, 09:10 AM | #29 (permalink) |
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It isn't just in the west.
There is a proliferation of fast food in Asia. The waistlines of Japan, Korea, Singapore, etc. are all expanding. And they still have supersize in Singapore... they just call it "upsize".
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09-22-2006, 09:43 AM | #30 (permalink) |
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Besides, if there was any truth to the thing about walking and not having cars, NY might be the skinniest city in the US and LA the fattest. And I would have lost weight since I moved here.
Instead we're number 8 out of 25 and I'm a big dude.
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09-22-2006, 11:21 AM | #32 (permalink) |
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Its not walking, its too much food in the pie hole. Walking doesn't burn that much energy.
I don't walk anywhere, I get little exercise currently, but I'm not fat, I just don't eat as much as I used to. Once I get my ass back to the gym I will increase what I'm eating again to match.
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09-22-2006, 03:20 PM | #33 (permalink) |
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it's the kind of food you eat as much or more than quantity.
this from my experience at least: i used to weight about 250 pounds more than i do now---to loose much of the weight, i just stopped eating processed food altogether and changed my relation to alcohol. i didnt immediately start biking--that came later. so if my experience is any guide, you can loose quite alot of weight simply by changing the kind of food you eat, and eliminating processed food seems to be a big part of that. i made little adjustment in quantity, and retained my affection for ice cream. i eat almost exclusively locally grown, largely oraganic food now---strangely, the emphasis on small production systems, diversified crops and no particular emphasis on chemical fertilizers has been a significant aspect of french agricultural organization. there is a supermarket-oriented mass production sector, but unlike in the states, it operates alongside the more locally oriented types of production--it has not replaced them. you could look at the movement in the states organized around csa's etc. as a return to what amounts to the french model. feel free to call that model something else if your reaction to the word france tracks that of ustwo or seaver above, based on nothing beyond post 9/11/2001 propaganda from the bush people, during that glorious phase when the administration tried to argue that the problem with its case for war with iraq was france and not the case itself. by now, no sane person still believes that line of horseshit, but somehow the anti-france attitudes persist. maybe they are fun for some folk on the extreme right on their own. i cant figure out who would either know or care about such things.
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Some day your glorious communist revolution will come again and your kind can see another 100 million killed off, until then could you please leave your crap like this to the politics board? If you keep this up I'm going to think you want a date with me.
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For a reference point: one cup of Ben & Jerry's Chubby Hubby is worth 350 calories.
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09-22-2006, 06:08 PM | #39 (permalink) | |
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This is why you will go to the gym, and see the same fat person on the treadmill day after day, just as fat each and every time you see them. If I had to rank whats important it would be food intake, then muscle mass, than aerobics exercise. Aerobics are great for health but not so great for losing weight. My wife was one of those women who couldn't lose weight after a baby, etc etc. She did the gym, no luck, she counted calories, better but SLOW. She did weight lifting and now shes a able to go bare midriff without an issue. My guess, and I haven't been to europe in a long time, is that the american portion size which started in the early 80's, has leaked over to europe. Its an economic model for restaurants. They make more selling bigger portions. The prep time is only slightly increased, but since people are getting a big meal they are more willing to pay $15.00 for pasta or whatever. This is only a guess, it could also be a snack food thing, another bane of the obese, or both. I'm old enough to remember 'doggie bags' which were those small bags meant to take your scant leftovers home, now you need something about 1/2 the size of a cake box if you want to not over eat.
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I congratulate your wife on her health and fitness success. Many women don't get it when it comes to the weight training and fat loss connection.
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