Honesty

Okay. Major controversy over this video. Millions of views over the past week.
What say you? Inappropriate or beautiful? You decide. Share your opinions here!

Autumn Miller is the blond that finishes in the middle. I don't know the names of the other girls.

Willravel

Still less creepy than Toddlers and Tieras.

Jetée

Did you post a video?

It really sucks not beng able to see YouTube embeddable videos anymore.

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genuinegirly

Ok. First things first: These girls are incredibly talented.
Next: If it were my child, I would never want to see them in those clothes. They're just not flattering.

Their attire detracts from their overall performance. My gut was saying: "Why do these women have no boobs and look like they have baby fat?" while my mind was thinking, "WOW, these little girls are insanely talented."

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spindles

I pretty much agree with what genuinegirly said. I think the outfits are inappropriate for girls of that age.

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Eilonwy

I agree about the clothes. If they did the same dance in less revealing outfits, there probably wouldn't be so much of an uproar.

Honesty

If they were covered up any more than they already are it would impede movement.

They wear less clothing in rehearsal, and if you do a random search of Junior Jazz Solos, you'll find that more often than not dancers wear much more revealing outfits. It's typical.

I think it's just the color red, in contrast with the black seems to evoke an idea of Harlot.

One thing I am finding reading all the comments to these videos.
The conservatives who so violently oppose it, they want it censored, they worry pedophiles are incessantly fapping to the video, gonna go out and rape some kids now! I'm seeing them as more dangerous than the perverts.
It's disgraceful the way some people curse the parents of the children, and hate the producers.

Meanwhile, Toddlers & Tiaras airs 4 hours a day everyday on TLC and nobody says a word about it.
A show which is so disgusting to me, I can't even watch it.
There is no talent in dressing up like a clown and mimicking your fat mother making goofy gestures and smiling like an evil cheshire cat.

Ironically, all this media hype is only going to ensure that we see more of this provocative youth talent in the future, and I for one am glad.

genuinegirly

I didn't mean to imply that I felt the outfits were anything other than TACKY. Yuck.

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Eilonwy

Yes, they are tacky, but I maintain that they're too revealing. You can dance just as well in leotards... a lot of hip-hop dancing is done just as well, and better sometimes, in baggy pants and combat boots. These kids look like prostitots, in my opinion.

However, I'm not saying I think they should be censored or even that they shouldn't be allowed to wear whatever they want. I wouldn't want my daughter wearing it, but to each his own.

blahblah454

Those girls are going to be insanely good dancers when they grow up.

I agree that the dress attire seemed a little inappropriate, I don't really care if there is more revealing dress in the rehearsals or done by other groups. I am not talking about those other people. It felt really strange watching such tiny people wearing clothing like that and dancing around like that. But having said that I think the world has bigger problems to deal with than what girls are wearing when they are dancing.

IdeoFunk

Well, I don't think I'd want any of my children learning all these slutty dance moves at that age, regardless of how techinically challenging they may be.

Maybe it's just me, but I'd expect the vast majority of dance competitions that 8 and 9 year olds participate in are probably a little more based on traditional dancing themes. I guess I'd just rather see my daughter as a sugar plum fairy as opposed to a mini stripper haha.

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Idyllic

Don't put your adult sexuality onto these young girls dancing, they don't associate their dance moves with sex, they are just dancing. You could look at any form of dance and gymnastics and if you apply your own sexual inference to it, you are wrong and detracting from these girls talent.

Why punish these kids in an attempt to prevent perverts from being perverted, why not just recognize that, perverts are sick regardless of who and where they find their fap.... most perverts don't prey on little girls like this, they prey on the ones who have no one to teach them dance or self confidences, they prey on weakness, and none of these girls appear weak nor do their parents, I am sure they are already ultra sensitive to sicko’s and always alert.

As for the Toddlers and Tiara’s, again most perverts aren’t going to be “turned on” by little girls who dress up like women, they want their victims to be “innocent” and unaware, they prey on “Christian” foundations where little girls are taught to be quiet and non-willful, they are more likely to use religion as a weapon to feed their own demented needs, as seen in so many molestations that include the churches.

At least these parents are active with their children instead of just sending them off to some “club” run by others they believe they can “trust.” It always seems to me, that it is the people who try so hard to convince you of their “innocent interest” in your children that are simply over-compensating for their lack of guilt and attempting to blame society for creating their own sick perversions.

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hunnychile

You do seem to post a lot of stuff that one way or the other talks about, or shows little girls.

THAT is even creepier than this Video (that was shown on the View and disgussed ad nauseum, a week ago.)

just sayin'...........

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Honesty

A child molester rapist person stomps on childhood dreams, destroys them.
The same thing is done by any person who would look down on these girls or their parents or the producers.

In so far as childhood sexuality goes, do any of you pornography lovers remember being children? I do.
It is shameful the way the majority of parents and adults in our society restrict and stomp upon the natural course of biology in human life.
If a nine year old girl wants to gyrate in her bathing suit, SO WHAT!?
Must you convince yourselves it is ugly. O but so long as she's 18 then it's beautiful and gorgeous and sexy. geez... who are you trying to convince?
or hide from, or lie to?

Idyllic, in so far as pedophilia goes, some pedos like toddlers & tiaras, some pedos like tiny 1 year old babies. Some are gentle, some are savage. Same is true for hetero's or homo's, some are nice people, others are hideous inside and out.
You should also know that nearly half of child rape cases are done by people who aren't pedophiles at all, they're just hateful people who enjoy such things as sado-masochism or bondage or other weird sexual deviancy.

The truth of the matter is, if you care about children, and you care about sex, and you are against violence and rape, then the first thing you're gonna wanna do is learn to enjoy more natural beautiful media like this.
If they had more of this type of content on TV, every single day instead of sickness like CSI: childrape lovers show. The world would be a much more peaceful place.

Back in the 50's if they showed a video of homosexuals dancing around all fruity like they do, it would disturb people too, because they were ignorant.
Just like today with the Single Ladies video.

I'm not trying to stand up for pedophiles, I'm trying to stand up for children's rights. If a man wants to have sex with a child, no, forget it. But if a child wants to act sexy, it is that PERSON's right to do it without being mocked and feeling ashamed.

Idyllic

Only children who are molested act "sexy."

It is not "sex"y to dance, it is only perceived as sexy by those who interpret it that way.

I child does not understand "sex" until they are exposed to it, anything before that is posturing and is totally normal but is taken out of context by molesters as a way to say "see they already knew, they already wanted it, she was a Lolita"!!! It is just another sick excuse to feed their own monster and justify their perverted action.

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The_Jazz

I'm going to call "bullshit" on this statement. You can't respond because I just banned you - not because of your opinions or the fact that you pegged my creepometer but because you decided to edit all your posts to not-so-clever variations of "eat shit" and directly threatened a moderator - but I'll do it nonetheless.

This is a convenient statistic pulled directly from your ass. It's also nonsensical. People who "enjoy child rape" are, by definition, pedophiles. So anyone who gets sexual gratification from sex with a child is, by definition, a pedophile. And people who enjoy S&M, bondage or non-pedophile sexual deviance are no more likely to be pedophiles than anyone else, statistically speaking.

As I said you in your going away message, I only wish you continued success in your life.

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levite

Um....

I'm sorry, but...this is creepy.

Some of you know, I am really pretty liberal in my views about raising children, healthy freedoms of sexual expression in pretty much everyone, and not getting sucked in to Big Brother's fearfest that pedophiles are lurking behind every corner....

But this just strikes me as creepy. I don't know, maybe these kids really are innocent enough not to know the significance of what they're doing beyond just "dance moves." I kind of doubt it, given the media saturation of our culture. But anything is possible. But WTF is the matter with their parents?!

I have no problem with the idea of kids being curious about sexuality, or even beginning to explore their own sexuality in the ways we all did, sooner or later, in our childhoods. I think it's natural and healthy. And I am all for parents being understanding and respectful of kids doing so. But that is just a far cry from tarting your eight-year-old up in Grade A kinderslut wear and letting her do nasty ass Britney Spears bootyshaking in front of an audience and a videocamera.

I'm not saying it's a pedo's smorgasbord, although the argument could be made. I'm just saying it is improper, and creepy, and helps no one: not the adults who have no problem watching oversexualized little girls working it onstage, not the little girls who will now think this kind of gyrating and shaking their ass in front of people while half-naked is a great way to get approval from figures of authority and family members, and not a society that just refuses to let kids be. If they feel interested in sexuality, fine. If not, let's not foist it on them in the disguise of cheerleading or dancing.

I swear to God, I am not usually at all so prim and tightassed. I really hope I will one day be the kind of dad that an adolescent daughter can come to and ask questions about sex and boys (or girls), who will make sure his teenage daughter has birth control and regular ob/gyn visits, who will be genially tolerant and gently supervisorial of his teenage daughter's experiments with alcohol or weed. And if my little girl wants to hop naked into our pool, or wear a very small (but not kinderslutty) swimsuit, or experiment with a little lip gloss or something, I hope I will be Chill Dad. But I would never let a child of mine do this, I am sorry.

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Jetée

I finally dug into the context of this video when, about two weeks ago, I caught a glimpse of it on CNN.

Man, what a difference two weeks makes in terms of what I had initially thought of it, which was nothing at the time, to now, in which I still don't really care about it, though am slightly disturbed by the nature in which both sides of the spectrum support or spurn the "celebrated" routine.

As it was then, though, I still don't think much of this dance act. More to do with the parents or community center chaperons lack of decent sense and tilted morals for allowing and teaching such a thing (while not wrong, it is as others state, "crossing that invisible moral bounray", which leads straight down into "creepy central"). Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't rightly picture sub-10-year-old girls pitching for a routine like this, just because they saw it on the VH1, to their costume designers and pageant sponsors if they could try this out.

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