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homerhop · 08-12-2003, 12:11 AM

Just a little something I find very amusing.
I go to alot of competition shoots, and without doubt at every one of them you will have the shooter's "with all the gear"

Now by this I mean the brand name skeet jacket, the most modern gun. Leather gloves and rose tinted shooting glasses.They will stand there and talk complete bollox about their shooting with the barrel of their gun resting on the "special leather tab on their brand new shooting boots.
We are all standing behind these yuppie shooters. with our ordinary everyday shooting equipment waiting for these guys to perform miracle shots and leave us in awe with their accuracy.

It takes them 10 minutes to get their stance right, how hard is it to put your left leg in front of your right or the other way around if needs be, wait for the clay and shoot?
They fire their 10 shots and come away shaking their heads saying " jesus they are a tough one".

Now dont get me wrong there are alot of guys who wear this and will leave you for dust but for some reason they just dont stick out like the others.
Guess I am just saying to novice shooters dont rush out and buy the whole shop and end up looking like a complete fool. Try your shooting ability, get a loan of the glasses off someone at an event( most shooters are more than glad to help new shoters and give them tips and advice).
If they help then get them.
The same can be said with guns of any kind, dont buy it cos it looks the nicest or the price is the best.Fire at few at targets.See how each gun feels and handles. If it means you have to wait that bit longer to save it will be worth it.
Remember you shooting is for enjoyment not for fashion awards

j8ear · 08-12-2003, 06:13 AM

Posers...the world is full of them. Just about every hobby has it's practitioners. From gardening to shooting and everything in between.

What are you gonna do? I prefer to have a good snicker with my crew at their expense.

What does get me hot under the collar are the warrior wanna be's. I don't care about your eagle industries garb or your high faluten fancy schmancy whatever...but just because you read an article on the internet about Navy Seals or Marine Corps Force Recon...doesn't make you an expert on shit, so keep your freakin trap shut.

When you've taken down huge barges with a zodiac or evacuated an embassy on the horn of africa then you can run your suck.

Oh and until you've put 25,000 rounds through ANY H&K weapon you don't know shiznit! Just because you saw someone carrying one last time you took the paid tour of the blackwater training center does not ~you~ a Close Quarters Battle (CQB) weapons expert make.

/rant over

peace

-bear

Slims · 08-12-2003, 01:36 PM

I remember those from back when I used to shoot precision smallbore.

I would go to the range with an old beatup anschutz 54, a canvas shooting jacket, a glove, and not much else besides a pad and cheap spotting scope.

I remember getting excited several times when I saw someone with a 3,000 dollar rifle, custom made leather shooting jacket and pants, the shoes, and all the super duper things that a world class shooter would probably have. I also remember being dissappointed when they couldn't even hold most of their shots in the black.

I don't think they are posers so much as people who think that good equipment makes a good shooter.

I also remember people showing up at the NRA range with elegant range boxes with six or seven super nice pistols with laser sights (and optical sights too). I would watch the little dot bounce all round the paper, settle down in the center, and then jerk almost off the paper right before the guy shot each time.

Ooh Ooh, and there was the guy with a short barrelled shotgun with pistol grips who was shooting from the hip, but couldn't hit a larger than life target at 7 yards...

Moonduck · 08-12-2003, 04:32 PM

The reason that the guy what has all the expensive gear and shoots well stands out even before he pulls the trigger is that his gear looks comfortable on him and he looks comfortable at the range. His expensive gear looks broken in, not brand new. His gun has some shiny spots on the grips from lots and lots of shooting.

While the conscious mind may not notice these, together, they present an image that the subconscious mind understands perfectly - this is a professional. Same type of cues hold true in any hobby or endeavour.

Slims · 08-12-2003, 05:54 PM

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Originally posted by Moonduck
The reason that the guy what has all the expensive gear and shoots well stands out even before he pulls the trigger is that his gear looks comfortable on him and he looks comfortable at the range. His expensive gear looks broken in, not brand new. His gun has some shiny spots on the grips from lots and lots of shooting.

While the conscious mind may not notice these, together, they present an image that the subconscious mind understands perfectly - this is a professional. Same type of cues hold true in any hobby or endeavour.

What? maybe sometimes, when it actually is an expert, but usually it's just someone who is trying to compensate by getting all the gear.

Maybe we just notice them because our attention is drawn to the guy with all the gizmos, So when they are good we admire them, but when they suck we all laugh. Mostly though, I end up laughing.

Moonduck · 08-13-2003, 06:37 AM

Like I said, the expert's gear is broken in, the posers gear is new and pretty.

mtsgsd · 08-13-2003, 12:30 PM

I had to smile at this thread because the place I used to shoot at the most was a very wealthy gun club where the rich and powerfull like to shoot. These people had all the gear, but damn most of them could shoot too.

I can relate to Greg700 talking about precision shooting. I was in a range one day when a guy came in with an Anschutz Biathalon rifle. This is a .22 rifle made for the olympic biathalon where you cross country ski between target stands. Very expensive gun. The guy set up his target 10' away, and couldn't hit it. No exageration here. He was planning to enter a summer version of the event where you run instead of ski. The gun does not a shooter make.

I have mention another form of this that I see all too often. People coming out to the range with their dirty harry guns, spraying the range (but not the target) and then turning to me and saying (almost every time) "I just like the boom".

I get a kick out of watching these guys because there's a pattern to their shooting. They start at 10 to 20' for the target. Then they see me shooting at a little target at the end of the range (50 or 75') and move their targets back there too. A few shots later they're moving them back again!

I compete in Bullseye Pistol, so I shoot at those distances and at 50 yards all the time, but they don't know that. LOL

Slims · 08-13-2003, 03:37 PM

And then there are the people that get pissed off when I politely ask them to stop shooting my target....

Yeah, many of the shooters at the ranges I used to shoot at in NOVA were fairly well off. I usually shot at either Blue Ridge Arsenal (saw some freaky things there) for pistols, the NRA range, or Isaac Walton when the weather was good.

Exodus · 08-13-2003, 07:29 PM

One of my good friends is a former Marine Corp sniper. He can take any high powered rifle you give him, and with 10 rounds of ammo be able to hit anything you want him to. As he always says, its the talent of the shooter, not the price tag of a rifle. Learn to shoot well and then decide if you need to upgrade your rig.

mtsgsd · 08-14-2003, 06:34 AM

The following just addresses the idea of gun quality, not all the other bullshit we like to buy.

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Learn to shoot well and then decide if you need to upgrade your rig

Well there's another side to that too, and you'll here it from a lot of coaches.

You can only shoot as well as the gun. If you are better than the gun ie. you can hold a tighter group than the gun is capable of producing, how would you know? You'll end up endlessly searching for a way to cure your "problem" and possibly develop some bad habits.

If you are going to be serious about your shooting, then you are best advised to buy the best that you can afford. There are two points to this:
You can concentrate on your end of the shooting, knowing that the gun is not a factor.
You will get more use out of the gun before you have to replace it.

So. Two hands here:
Equipment will absolutely NOT make the shooter BUT, if you are serious about becoming a good shooter, buying the cheap stuff will not help you out either.
On the other hand: The point where the quality of the gun stays relatively the same but the price continues to go up starts a lot lower than you might think, so you don't have to spend a fortune.

08-12-2003, 12:11 AM	#1 (permalink)
homerhop Insane Location: ÉIRE	And all the gear Just a little something I find very amusing. I go to alot of competition shoots, and without doubt at every one of them you will have the shooter's "with all the gear" Now by this I mean the brand name skeet jacket, the most modern gun. Leather gloves and rose tinted shooting glasses.They will stand there and talk complete bollox about their shooting with the barrel of their gun resting on the "special leather tab on their brand new shooting boots. We are all standing behind these yuppie shooters. with our ordinary everyday shooting equipment waiting for these guys to perform miracle shots and leave us in awe with their accuracy. It takes them 10 minutes to get their stance right, how hard is it to put your left leg in front of your right or the other way around if needs be, wait for the clay and shoot? They fire their 10 shots and come away shaking their heads saying " jesus they are a tough one". Now dont get me wrong there are alot of guys who wear this and will leave you for dust but for some reason they just dont stick out like the others. Guess I am just saying to novice shooters dont rush out and buy the whole shop and end up looking like a complete fool. Try your shooting ability, get a loan of the glasses off someone at an event( most shooters are more than glad to help new shoters and give them tips and advice). If they help then get them. The same can be said with guns of any kind, dont buy it cos it looks the nicest or the price is the best.Fire at few at targets.See how each gun feels and handles. If it means you have to wait that bit longer to save it will be worth it. Remember you shooting is for enjoyment not for fashion awards __________________ its evolution baby Last edited by homerhop; 08-12-2003 at 07:17 AM..

08-12-2003, 06:13 AM	#2 (permalink)
j8ear Gentlemen Farmer Location: Middle of nowhere, Jersey	Posers...the world is full of them. Just about every hobby has it's practitioners. From gardening to shooting and everything in between. What are you gonna do? I prefer to have a good snicker with my crew at their expense. What does get me hot under the collar are the warrior wanna be's. I don't care about your eagle industries garb or your high faluten fancy schmancy whatever...but just because you read an article on the internet about Navy Seals or Marine Corps Force Recon...doesn't make you an expert on shit, so keep your freakin trap shut. When you've taken down huge barges with a zodiac or evacuated an embassy on the horn of africa then you can run your suck. Oh and until you've put 25,000 rounds through ANY H&K weapon you don't know shiznit! Just because you saw someone carrying one last time you took the paid tour of the blackwater training center does not ~you~ a Close Quarters Battle (CQB) weapons expert make. /rant over peace -bear __________________ It's alot easier to ask for forgiveness then it is to ask for permission.

08-12-2003, 01:36 PM	#3 (permalink)
Slims Eccentric insomniac Location: North Carolina	I remember those from back when I used to shoot precision smallbore. I would go to the range with an old beatup anschutz 54, a canvas shooting jacket, a glove, and not much else besides a pad and cheap spotting scope. I remember getting excited several times when I saw someone with a 3,000 dollar rifle, custom made leather shooting jacket and pants, the shoes, and all the super duper things that a world class shooter would probably have. I also remember being dissappointed when they couldn't even hold most of their shots in the black. I don't think they are posers so much as people who think that good equipment makes a good shooter. I also remember people showing up at the NRA range with elegant range boxes with six or seven super nice pistols with laser sights (and optical sights too). I would watch the little dot bounce all round the paper, settle down in the center, and then jerk almost off the paper right before the guy shot each time. Ooh Ooh, and there was the guy with a short barrelled shotgun with pistol grips who was shooting from the hip, but couldn't hit a larger than life target at 7 yards... __________________ "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill "All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act out their dream with open eyes, to make it possible." Seven Pillars of Wisdom, T.E. Lawrence

08-13-2003, 03:37 PM	#8 (permalink)
Slims Eccentric insomniac Location: North Carolina	And then there are the people that get pissed off when I politely ask them to stop shooting my target.... Yeah, many of the shooters at the ranges I used to shoot at in NOVA were fairly well off. I usually shot at either Blue Ridge Arsenal (saw some freaky things there) for pistols, the NRA range, or Isaac Walton when the weather was good. __________________ "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill "All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act out their dream with open eyes, to make it possible." Seven Pillars of Wisdom, T.E. Lawrence

08-12-2003, 04:32 PM	#4 (permalink)
Moonduck Junkie Location: SE USA	The reason that the guy what has all the expensive gear and shoots well stands out even before he pulls the trigger is that his gear looks comfortable on him and he looks comfortable at the range. His expensive gear looks broken in, not brand new. His gun has some shiny spots on the grips from lots and lots of shooting. While the conscious mind may not notice these, together, they present an image that the subconscious mind understands perfectly - this is a professional. Same type of cues hold true in any hobby or endeavour.

08-13-2003, 06:37 AM	#6 (permalink)
Moonduck Junkie Location: SE USA	Like I said, the expert's gear is broken in, the posers gear is new and pretty.

08-13-2003, 12:30 PM	#7 (permalink)
mtsgsd Addict Location: Wisconsin, USA	I had to smile at this thread because the place I used to shoot at the most was a very wealthy gun club where the rich and powerfull like to shoot. These people had all the gear, but damn most of them could shoot too. I can relate to Greg700 talking about precision shooting. I was in a range one day when a guy came in with an Anschutz Biathalon rifle. This is a .22 rifle made for the olympic biathalon where you cross country ski between target stands. Very expensive gun. The guy set up his target 10' away, and couldn't hit it. No exageration here. He was planning to enter a summer version of the event where you run instead of ski. The gun does not a shooter make. I have mention another form of this that I see all too often. People coming out to the range with their dirty harry guns, spraying the range (but not the target) and then turning to me and saying (almost every time) "I just like the boom". I get a kick out of watching these guys because there's a pattern to their shooting. They start at 10 to 20' for the target. Then they see me shooting at a little target at the end of the range (50 or 75') and move their targets back there too. A few shots later they're moving them back again! I compete in Bullseye Pistol, so I shoot at those distances and at 50 yards all the time, but they don't know that. LOL

08-13-2003, 07:29 PM	#9 (permalink)
Exodus Psycho	One of my good friends is a former Marine Corp sniper. He can take any high powered rifle you give him, and with 10 rounds of ammo be able to hit anything you want him to. As he always says, its the talent of the shooter, not the price tag of a rifle. Learn to shoot well and then decide if you need to upgrade your rig.