telekinetic

My actual photographer wife likes to poke fun that I think I'm a photographer now but hey, a little artsy blurring never hurt anyone.

Here's some more clinical pics with a point-and-shoot after the DSLR ran out of batteries:





I say 'temporarily own' because I got a smoking deal on it, and just bought it to flip on gunbroker for twice what I paid...took these photos for the listing, haven't even shot it. Round count explanation: It's a 10 round drum, but because of the design, you can load the gun +2, for a total of 12: One in the chamber and one in the mag tube before you seat the drum.

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Zeraph

purty. whats it worth?

telekinetic

They don't make the kit anymore, and never made it in very high volumes. Looking at ended auctions on gunbroker, just the kit with the drum has sold for $700, and installed on they gun they've gone for as high as $1100. Normal prices are at least $700-800 for the kit installed on an OK gun.

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Cynthetiq

man.... that is sweet! I miss my mossberg hand cannon.

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KirStang

Nice. 12 Rounds of shotgun power. How does it handle?

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telekinetic

You have to rack it like a man--an oddity is that there is a two-stage pump action instead of the normal one-stage. With a full magazine, it weighs a ton, but it actually points and swings easier than my old traditional 7+1 full tube 20" 500, since the weight is closer to your hand. It is threaded for a choke, so would probably be fun for gun games, once you got a shot pattern dialed in.

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citadel

Don't tell that to ATF...

telekinetic

Why? Because they might ask me to sell it to a Mexican cartel?


OK, I bought it to add to my personal collection because it was a good deal, and I was secure in the knowledge that once I was done having it be a part of my personal collection, it would not lose value when I sold it.

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The_Dunedan

According to ATF, selling a gun for profit technically puts you in the "selling guns for a living" catagory, ie Dealer, for which you need an FFL. It's rare, but people have been arrested and imprisoned for "dealing without a license" for flipping guns without an FFL.

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Plan9

Could you all speak louder? Into my lapel, perhaps?

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citadel

+1

Fire

I though that you had to be in the business of selling guns to get caught up in that- if its one gun, its hardly a business- still the atf is basically a bunch of rabid bastards that go after law abiding citizens with great gusto, so anything is possible....

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MSD

You're talking about an agency that has classified 14" pieces of string tied to keyrings as machine guns.

citadel

The odds of telekinetic getting charged for a onetime turnaround can't be very high, but there's always that chance.

telekinetic

I have it torn all the way down into component parts at the moment anyways, I may just sell everything but the receiver...then it's not even a gun sale and I wouldn't have to deal with shipping to an FFL. Or I may keep it. Who knows. I'd kind of like to see how hard it is to adapt Saiga mags to work with it.

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citadel

Saiga's are the balls. From the looks of the pictures, with the drum mod on there the only way to reload is by removing the mag, no more stuffing in another round or two when you have a spare second? How rare are those drums anyway? If I ever get the spare cash I wouldn't mind getting one just because of how unusual it looks. Like a Chicago typewriter, but better.

telekinetic

There is exactly one on gunbroker right now, on a Mavrick 88, with a buy-it-now of $869

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citadel

Well, that settles it then. Now I want a friend to get one so I can play with it, without worrying about finding replacement parts.

Baraka_Guru

But will it kill zombies?

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ChrisJericho

Depends on where you shoot them.

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Walt

Shit dude. Now you're looking at "intent to assemble".

/I got nothing

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Plan9

Yeah, I'm totally off the shotgun wagon. There isn't anything a home defense shotgun can do that a good 5.56mm carbine can't do better.

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Walt

I dunno, bro. I love me some M4 action, but double-ought makes my dick twitch like no other.

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citadel

Not kill the neighbors too? Make a cool "clackety-clack" noise? Have a neat nickname like "shottie" or "scattergun"? Have two barrels?

Honestly I'd prefer a carbine, but the bank account says clackety-clack for now.

telekinetic

Me too on the shotgun thing. I'm consolidating my entire collection to 9mm, and would eventually like to add an AR SBR to the mix, but a 9mm carbine will do for now. Anybody want to sell a 9mm Sub 2000? The market on them is 100% dry at the moment, until KT decides to ship the next batch.

It's not a question, for me, of capability, but one of trigger time. I have a range LITERALLY across the street where I can shoot pistol caliber. I have to drive an hour to get somewhere I can satisfactorily play with a shotgun. Guess which range I go to more frequently?

I'd much rather have a couple thousand rounds down my bump-in-the-night device than only a few hundred.

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Plan9

I've got a Sub-2000 in 9mm (Beretta M9 mags)... but something tells me you want the Glock variant so go with your current inventory.

If you're going to do the 9mm carbine thing and don't mind using another type of magazine, the Marlin Camp Carbine 9 is a really good.

I've had one for years. It's old school durable (tough as hell construction) and uses S&W 59-series magazines. Very red dot friendly.

More folklore and mythology from the crowd that loves the Big .45 and "Shotty."

00 buckshot will penetrate more drywall than 55 grain FMJ lead core 5.56mm.

Google "Box of Truth" and check out the various penetration tests. It's good stuff.

I too once believed the shotgun was the best thing ever. Turns out it's hype.

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telekinetic

Actually, Plan, I'm looking for the Beretta one...or any of the non-glock 9mms, they swap freely with a $2 mag catch. You can shave .120" off the bottom of the grip and they'll take XD mags, if you notch the mags for the Beretta catch. Since my full size right now (and to perpetuity, likely) is an XD-9 Tactical, this seems pretty convenient--the Glock is now my Dad's, as I couldn't get used to the grip angle.

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Plan9

Yeah, I was aware that the metal mag tube models change from S&W to Beretta to Sig with the use of an Allen wrench on the right side of the pistol grip. I was going to change my Sub-2000's mag catch to use S&W 5 mags so the Marlin Camp 9 would share the 30-rounders I've got here.

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I'm not able to make a sale right now but it could be in your future.

The gun is far from cherry... it's been used at the range quite a bit.

Let's talk later this summer.

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telekinetic

Sounds good. PM me if/when you're ready to sell...if I haven't tracked one down by then at less than the $100 over MSRP they seem to be going for we'll make something happen.

Also, put the 30 rounders next to the Beretta and see if they mag catch notches are distinct...you might be able to dremel notch your 30's to work with your existing catch. If not, it's literally a $1.85 part (and that's shipped!)

Kel-Tec CNC - SUB-2000 Parts - SR-205 Mag Catch

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citadel

Seems you had a humor malfunction. Tap, pat and rack.

Plan9

I don't get paid to be humorous. I get paid to dispel bullshit firearm legends like the one involving the 12g being the best home defense gun ever.

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Tele:

Yeaaah, I'm not going to WECSOG (mangle) perfectly good metal magazines with a Dremel cutting wheel when I can replace the catch for cheap. I bought the thing before my Glock days. Now that I've gone Glock, there is no going back to metal pistols and I have little interest in a fold-up 9mm carbine when I can afford SBR ARs. The Sub-2000 is a cool concept but it's clearly just the Tec-9 of the 2000s. We'll talk about a sale this summer.

Ugh, I must be in a pissy mood tonight because I feel like I should tell you that I own numerous S&W, Beretta and Sig pistols and that the "universal metal mag" concept has dawned on me a few times before. My urge to choke a random bitch aside, have you looked at AR-style 9mm carbines?

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telekinetic

I have, but what do you gain going 9mm over 5.56 except worse ballistics and a less effective round with more penetration?

For the build quality and the price point, I'm viewing it as a 16" barrel pistol with a stock...whereas if I'm going to get a rifle, I'll get it in a rifle caliber. An HD SBR and a varmint build are on my 'when i have teh monies' list.

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