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Digilogic · 01-21-2006, 07:47 PM

I am trying to find some really cheap ammo so I can shoot a ton for little money. Anyone have thoughts on:

.45 Caliber Bullets - .452 Diameter - 200 Grains - Semi Wad Cutter - Lead - Box of 500

for $38.20
??

I generally shoot FMJ 230 grain. I am shooting them through a Charles Daly 1911.

I just wanna know if these are decent for target shooting or complete crap.

Thanks

ziadel · 01-21-2006, 09:50 PM

those are lead bullets only, not ready to fire rounds...

do you have a reloading press?

I'm guessing you got a little messed up here and thought that was for ready to shoot ammo...

if you want really cheap ammo..

http://www.ammoman.com/index.htm

try there, click on 45ACP at the top, and order away...

95 bucks for 500 rounds of Wolf ammo, can't beat that with a stick...
dirty ammo, but will shoot well enough.

order a box just to see how your 1911 digests it, if all goes well, order a huge lot and shoot away

cj2112 · 01-22-2006, 08:17 AM

I bought 500 rounds of 9mm Miwall reloads at a gun show. They are very consistent loads, my KelTec eats them up, I've had no failures after shooting about 300 of them. I will likely buy another 500 when these are gone.
These guys sell them

longbough · 01-24-2006, 07:19 AM

I'm curious, how does the Charles Daly shoot? Any problems with it?

Digilogic · 01-26-2006, 10:09 PM

Well, the first couple times I shot it would always jam the last round (8). The nose of the new bullet would be pointed into the chamber but the casing would be jammed between the chamber and slide. This happened for a while (~100 rounds) and it would only ever jam the final round, period. So I took it to the shop I until this problem took my business. The guy there took it in the range and told me that it was loading fine and I was probably shooting limp-wristed. I told him it had to be the 7-8th round but he only loaded 2 in the mag to test it. So its not the same situation I was shooting under. He then told me it was going to half-cock 1 out of 4 times he shot it. Well I have put about 500 rounds through it since I got it and it has never gone to half cock not even once. So unless I am missing something, he was completely full of shit all around. I don't go to that shop anymore. I bought 2 8-round wilson combat mags and I haven't had a jam since (~200 rounds).

ziadel · 01-27-2006, 07:08 PM

what mags did it come with?

chip mccormics?

Digilogic · 01-29-2006, 08:24 PM

I think they are Mec-Gar...

monkeysugar · 02-02-2006, 01:13 AM

My local walmart carries 100 packs of winchester white box ammo for about $15 and I think they also carry remington hollowpoints for about $20/box100. That's for .40 S&W but I believe the .45 ammunition is around that price as well.

ziadel · 02-02-2006, 01:29 PM

Wall World wants 21 for the 100 wwb 100 round pack

23 for the remington hollow point 100 round pack.

either is a pretty good deal, I mainly stick with the white box tho

BigBen · 02-03-2006, 08:21 AM

I always thought cheap ammo was like cheap booze. Fucking horrible and a waste of time and money. I ALWAYS BOUGHT THE EXPENSIVE STUFF.

My buddy called me on it: "Why the top-shelf stuff for target practice?"

"I want to practice with what I shoot with. It helps me get the feel and confidence. Plus, I don't have to fuck with the sights."

"Dude, you are pissing money down the drain."

"Fuck you, you hippie."

"Listen: For the price of 100 rounds of your stuff, I can get 300 rounds of my stuff. I learn muscle memory, instinctive shooting, shooting from different stances, off-hand shooting, poor visibility shooting. You learn where your shots are going to go."

"I'm listening..."

"Buy 300 rounds of my stuff, and use it. Play with it. At the end of the day, put a couple of mags of your stuff through to ensure the sights anr recoil is okay. I am not telling you to HUNT with shit ammo. Just STOP target practicing with the good stuff."

I learned a valuable lesson that day.

BTW: There is a guy that goes to all of the gun shows around here and sells his reload ammo. Some folks say it is the best ammo you can get, and better than anything on the market. He sells them for cost plus a tiny bit. Why? He is a parrapalegic, and this is like his hobby. He is becoming more well-known in the benchrest and reloading circles. I have yet to make his aquaintance.

ziadel · 02-03-2006, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBen

BTW: There is a guy that goes to all of the gun shows around here and sells his reload ammo. Some folks say it is the best ammo you can get, and better than anything on the market. He sells them for cost plus a tiny bit. Why? He is a parrapalegic, and this is like his hobby. He is becoming more well-known in the benchrest and reloading circles. I have yet to make his aquaintance.

cool man, get a hold of him.

I would'nt mind sampling some of his .45auto

Mr. Skillman · 02-22-2006, 01:07 PM

Recently i bought some reloaded 38 spcl ammo from a guy off of gunbroker.com. It seemed very reputable and his website listed many different types that he sold and he claimed to ship thousands of rounds to people all across the US. However i fired less than 10 rounds from my revolver and only the primer fired not the powder. The ensueing hassle lead me to the conclusion that you should only trust hand loads you make yourself.

TheDave87 · 03-09-2006, 09:45 AM

try www.ammunitionstore.com theyre usually fairly reasonably priced, and have local pickups if youre in ohio

Slims · 03-10-2006, 11:57 AM

Two things for your pistol:

Buy some Wilson Combat mags, sometimes just switching mags up makes the difference and as far as I know wilsons are top of the line.

You may need to tune your extractor. The problem you describe (A failure to return to battery) sounds (partly) like a common extractor problem.

Here is a fantastic resource for your 1911 needs: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthrea...roubleshooting

It is a reasonably comprehensive guide to the common problems w/ 1911 type pistols and their solutions.

For extractor specific info check out: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthrea...Return+Battery

ziadel · 03-10-2006, 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg700

You may need to tune your extractor. The problem you describe (A failure to return to battery) sounds (partly) like a common extractor problem.

huh? are you sure, or are you 'reaching'?

I've never heard of a bad extractor causing FTFs

bad mag, yeah, rough chamber or feed ramp, sure.

p.s. I like Metalform mags more than Wilsons.

Slims · 03-11-2006, 12:55 PM

Ziadel,

An improperly fitted extractor can snag against the bullet as it is being chambered and is sliding up against the receiver.

In 1911 style pistols, the extractor does not 'snap' over the rim of the cartridge but rather the cartridge is slid up beneath the extractor and any snags or an overly tight-fit can cause a failure to return to battery.

I had the exact same problem and a little time rounding the bottom of the extractor made it go away.

A rough feed ramp generally causes the bullet to stick on the ramp. Bad magazines generally do the same thing. Weak springs and limp wristing usually result in stovepiping. I am generalizing of course, but the extractor does seem to me like the obvious cause. Of course a tight or rough chamber are as you suggested also likely, but messing with a chamber requires a bit more commitment than checking out an extractor.

Oh, and I wasn't expousing the superiority of wilson mags, just suggesting a change of brand to make sure the problem wasn't mag related before he started altering his pistol.

SSJTWIZTA · 03-14-2006, 10:11 PM

i use wolf ammo for my 7.62.

its good, cheap ammo, im almost positive that they make .45 rounds.

The_Dunedan · 03-15-2006, 08:04 AM

DO NOT USE WOLF AMMO IN A PISTOL!!!

Wolf is ok in rifles, but the steel casings Wolf uses have a nasty ( and entirely deserved ) reputation for breaking extractors. This is such a common problem that we no longer carry Wolf ammunition in pistol calibres at my stepfather's shop.

SSJTWIZTA · 03-15-2006, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Dunedan

DO NOT USE WOLF AMMO IN A PISTOL!!!

Wolf is ok in rifles, but the steel casings Wolf uses have a nasty ( and entirely deserved ) reputation for breaking extractors. This is such a common problem that we no longer carry Wolf ammunition in pistol calibres at my stepfather's shop.

holy shit, thanks for the heads-up.

ziadel · 03-16-2006, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Dunedan

DO NOT USE WOLF AMMO IN A PISTOL!!!

Wolf is ok in rifles, but the steel casings Wolf uses have a nasty ( and entirely deserved ) reputation for breaking extractors. This is such a common problem that we no longer carry Wolf ammunition in pistol calibres at my stepfather's shop.

wtf are you talking about?

The_Dunedan · 03-21-2006, 12:49 PM

Wolf ammunition is manufactured using cases made of fairly hard steel, instead of brass. This is because brass is/was a great deal more expensive in the USSR/Russia than steel, which was/is lying all over the place thanks to Stalin's huge industrial buildup in the 20s and 30s. The extractors of pistols are typically much smaller than those of rifles, and are designed to deal with brass casings; brass being much, much softer than steel the part is not damaged. However, if the casing is steel it will frequently damage or break the small extractor's claw, resulting in an inability to extract the fired casing and a double-feed.

01-21-2006, 07:47 PM	#1 (permalink)
Digilogic Crazy Location: Raleigh, NC	buying cheap ammo I am trying to find some really cheap ammo so I can shoot a ton for little money. Anyone have thoughts on: .45 Caliber Bullets - .452 Diameter - 200 Grains - Semi Wad Cutter - Lead - Box of 500 for $38.20 ?? I generally shoot FMJ 230 grain. I am shooting them through a Charles Daly 1911. I just wanna know if these are decent for target shooting or complete crap. Thanks __________________ "Good artists copy, great artists steal." - Pablo Picasso

01-21-2006, 09:50 PM	#2 (permalink)
ziadel Myrmidon Location: In the twilight and mist.	those are lead bullets only, not ready to fire rounds... do you have a reloading press? I'm guessing you got a little messed up here and thought that was for ready to shoot ammo... if you want really cheap ammo.. http://www.ammoman.com/index.htm try there, click on 45ACP at the top, and order away... 95 bucks for 500 rounds of Wolf ammo, can't beat that with a stick... dirty ammo, but will shoot well enough. order a box just to see how your 1911 digests it, if all goes well, order a huge lot and shoot away __________________ Ron Paul '08 Vote for Freedom Go ahead and google Dr. Ron Paul. You'll like what you read.

01-26-2006, 10:09 PM	#5 (permalink)
Digilogic Crazy Location: Raleigh, NC	Well, the first couple times I shot it would always jam the last round (8). The nose of the new bullet would be pointed into the chamber but the casing would be jammed between the chamber and slide. This happened for a while (~100 rounds) and it would only ever jam the final round, period. So I took it to the shop I until this problem took my business. The guy there took it in the range and told me that it was loading fine and I was probably shooting limp-wristed. I told him it had to be the 7-8th round but he only loaded 2 in the mag to test it. So its not the same situation I was shooting under. He then told me it was going to half-cock 1 out of 4 times he shot it. Well I have put about 500 rounds through it since I got it and it has never gone to half cock not even once. So unless I am missing something, he was completely full of shit all around. I don't go to that shop anymore. I bought 2 8-round wilson combat mags and I haven't had a jam since (~200 rounds). __________________ "Good artists copy, great artists steal." - Pablo Picasso

01-27-2006, 07:08 PM	#6 (permalink)
ziadel Myrmidon Location: In the twilight and mist.	what mags did it come with? chip mccormics? __________________ Ron Paul '08 Vote for Freedom Go ahead and google Dr. Ron Paul. You'll like what you read.

01-29-2006, 08:24 PM	#7 (permalink)
Digilogic Crazy Location: Raleigh, NC	I think they are Mec-Gar... __________________ "Good artists copy, great artists steal." - Pablo Picasso

01-22-2006, 08:17 AM	#3 (permalink)
cj2112 Unbelievable Location: Grants Pass OR	I bought 500 rounds of 9mm Miwall reloads at a gun show. They are very consistent loads, my KelTec eats them up, I've had no failures after shooting about 300 of them. I will likely buy another 500 when these are gone. *These* guys sell them

01-24-2006, 07:19 AM	#4 (permalink)
longbough Soylent Green is people. Location: Northern California	I'm curious, how does the Charles Daly shoot? Any problems with it?

02-02-2006, 01:13 AM	#8 (permalink)
monkeysugar I'll be on the veranda, since you're on the cross. Location: Rand McNally's friendliest small town in America. They must have strayed from the dodgy parts...	My local walmart carries 100 packs of winchester white box ammo for about $15 and I think they also carry remington hollowpoints for about $20/box100. That's for .40 S&W but I believe the .45 ammunition is around that price as well. __________________ I've got the love of my life and a job that I enjoy most of the time. Life is good.

02-02-2006, 01:29 PM	#9 (permalink)
ziadel Myrmidon Location: In the twilight and mist.	Wall World wants 21 for the 100 wwb 100 round pack 23 for the remington hollow point 100 round pack. either is a pretty good deal, I mainly stick with the white box tho __________________ Ron Paul '08 Vote for Freedom Go ahead and google Dr. Ron Paul. You'll like what you read.

02-03-2006, 08:21 AM	#10 (permalink)
BigBen Comedian Location: Use the search button	I always thought cheap ammo was like cheap booze. Fucking horrible and a waste of time and money. I ALWAYS BOUGHT THE EXPENSIVE STUFF. My buddy called me on it: "Why the top-shelf stuff for target practice?" "I want to practice with what I shoot with. It helps me get the feel and confidence. Plus, I don't have to fuck with the sights." "Dude, you are pissing money down the drain." "Fuck you, you hippie." "Listen: For the price of 100 rounds of your stuff, I can get 300 rounds of my stuff. I learn muscle memory, instinctive shooting, shooting from different stances, off-hand shooting, poor visibility shooting. You learn where your shots are going to go." "I'm listening..." "Buy 300 rounds of my stuff, and use it. Play with it. At the end of the day, put a couple of mags of your stuff through to ensure the sights anr recoil is okay. I am not telling you to HUNT with shit ammo. Just STOP target practicing with the good stuff." I learned a valuable lesson that day. BTW: There is a guy that goes to all of the gun shows around here and sells his reload ammo. Some folks say it is the best ammo you can get, and better than anything on the market. He sells them for cost plus a tiny bit. Why? He is a parrapalegic, and this is like his hobby. He is becoming more well-known in the benchrest and reloading circles. I have yet to make his aquaintance. __________________ 3.141592654 Hey, if you are impressed with my memorizing pi to 10 digits, you should see the size of my penis.

02-22-2006, 01:07 PM	#12 (permalink)
Mr. Skillman Upright Location: Lexington, KY & Hanover College	Recently i bought some reloaded 38 spcl ammo from a guy off of gunbroker.com. It seemed very reputable and his website listed many different types that he sold and he claimed to ship thousands of rounds to people all across the US. However i fired less than 10 rounds from my revolver and only the primer fired not the powder. The ensueing hassle lead me to the conclusion that you should only trust hand loads you make yourself. __________________ There is something to be learned from a rainstorm. When meeting with a sudden shower, you try not to pet wet and run quickly along the road. But doing such things as passing under the eaves of houses, you still get wet. When you are resolved from the beginning, you will not be perplexed, though you still get the same soaking. This understanding extends to everything. -(Hagakure, book 2)

03-09-2006, 09:45 AM	#13 (permalink)
TheDave87 Psycho Location: The Amish Wastelands of Ohio	try www.ammunitionstore.com theyre usually fairly reasonably priced, and have local pickups if youre in ohio __________________ Honk if you've never seen an uzi fired from a car window!

03-10-2006, 11:57 AM	#14 (permalink)
Slims Eccentric insomniac Location: North Carolina	Two things for your pistol: Buy some Wilson Combat mags, sometimes just switching mags up makes the difference and as far as I know wilsons are top of the line. You may need to tune your extractor. The problem you describe (A failure to return to battery) sounds (partly) like a common extractor problem. Here is a fantastic resource for your 1911 needs: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthrea...roubleshooting It is a reasonably comprehensive guide to the common problems w/ 1911 type pistols and their solutions. For extractor specific info check out: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthrea...Return+Battery __________________ "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill "All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act out their dream with open eyes, to make it possible." Seven Pillars of Wisdom, T.E. Lawrence

03-11-2006, 12:55 PM	#16 (permalink)
Slims Eccentric insomniac Location: North Carolina	Ziadel, An improperly fitted extractor can snag against the bullet as it is being chambered and is sliding up against the receiver. In 1911 style pistols, the extractor does not 'snap' over the rim of the cartridge but rather the cartridge is slid up beneath the extractor and any snags or an overly tight-fit can cause a failure to return to battery. I had the exact same problem and a little time rounding the bottom of the extractor made it go away. A rough feed ramp generally causes the bullet to stick on the ramp. Bad magazines generally do the same thing. Weak springs and limp wristing usually result in stovepiping. I am generalizing of course, but the extractor does seem to me like the obvious cause. Of course a tight or rough chamber are as you suggested also likely, but messing with a chamber requires a bit more commitment than checking out an extractor. Oh, and I wasn't expousing the superiority of wilson mags, just suggesting a change of brand to make sure the problem wasn't mag related before he started altering his pistol. __________________ "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill "All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act out their dream with open eyes, to make it possible." Seven Pillars of Wisdom, T.E. Lawrence Last edited by Slims; 03-11-2006 at 12:57 PM..

03-14-2006, 10:11 PM	#17 (permalink)
SSJTWIZTA Master Thief. Master Criminal. Masturbator. Location: Windiwana	i use wolf ammo for my 7.62. its good, cheap ammo, im almost positive that they make .45 rounds.

03-15-2006, 08:04 AM	#18 (permalink)
The_Dunedan Junkie	DO NOT USE WOLF AMMO IN A PISTOL!!! Wolf is ok in rifles, but the steel casings Wolf uses have a nasty ( and entirely deserved ) reputation for breaking extractors. This is such a common problem that we no longer carry Wolf ammunition in pistol calibres at my stepfather's shop.

03-21-2006, 12:49 PM	#21 (permalink)
The_Dunedan Junkie	Wolf ammunition is manufactured using cases made of fairly hard steel, instead of brass. This is because brass is/was a great deal more expensive in the USSR/Russia than steel, which was/is lying all over the place thanks to Stalin's huge industrial buildup in the 20s and 30s. The extractors of pistols are typically much smaller than those of rifles, and are designed to deal with brass casings; brass being much, much softer than steel the part is not damaged. However, if the casing is steel it will frequently damage or break the small extractor's claw, resulting in an inability to extract the fired casing and a double-feed.