zxello

Well as some of you know, my MOBO got fried this week so I have to buy a new MOBO and CPU. Here's what i've been looking at, was wondering if anyone knows where to get them cheaper (online) or something comperable (sp?) for close to the same price.

2 Mobo's im thinkin of ......

http://www.pcclub.com/product_detail...temno=A4830929
http://www.pcclub.com/product_detail...temno=A4830909

CPU im thinkin of.....

http://www.pcclub.com/product_detail...temno=A1938303

im on a budget right now (nothing fixed, but i dont wanna spend to much) and i only want hyper-threaded, something = or > 3.0.

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Sty

If you're on budget, why not go for AMD and get the same amount of power, flexibility and features with smaller pricetag?

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yakimushi

I Second.

You could snag an Athlon64 3200+ (equivalent to 3.2GHz P4) and motherboard for probably about $50 less.

Also, Hyperthreading is really overrated. More RAM will help you more. Most people will never stress a computer hard enough to really use Hyperthreading.

Sty

Not to mention that you actually need a threads-aware application to get any benefits. I really don't know any games that support threading.

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zxello

well my other processor was a amd 3200+ and it was running at like 2.7, and from everything i've heard etc, pentium is better nowadays....... am i wrong?

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cj2112

Each side has it's strengths and weaknesses. As far as I'm concerened, performance and quality wise, they are about equal. Amd has Intel beat in the price category. So that makes the decision a simple one for me. Same performance same quality, better price. If Intel beat Amd's price then I'd go w/ the Intel chip.

Sty

...but then I'm buying multi-processor servers and intel doesn't scale. Can't buy them even if they were cheaper (what the are not).

Feature wise, AMD leads on desktop and server-side. Especially servers side.

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zxello

I know this is kind of a broad question.... but can anyone list some strength's / weaknesses of Intel vs. Amd.... this is almost purely a gaming machine.

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yakimushi

Well there you go. If this is a gaming machine AMD is certainly the way to go. AMD has been a stronger perfomer than Intel in the gaming sector for quite some time.

Another thing to think about right now is cooling issues. AMD is much easier to cool than Intel at this point. The new Prescott processors are having very serious issues with heat, to the point that people are calling them "Presshot". Also, the newer Prescott processors added a longer, much much longer, pipeline. It's gone from 20 stages in Northwood to 31 stages in Prescott. What this means is that it takes longer for instructions to get to the right place. The Athlon64 has 12. The difference is that Intel can run thier processors at 3.4GHz while AMD runs at 2.2GHz. Both are doing the same relative amount of work.

Anyways, there's a really good article over at Tech-Report that outlines all the differences between the Northwood and Prescott cores and then does an very thorough job of benchmarking a wide variety of processors in both games and apps.

http://tech-report.com/reviews/2004q...t/index.x?pg=1

Lasereth

In a few sentences: Intel releases good processors with high clock speeds (gigahertz). AMD released good processors with lower clock speeds. AMD's processors are built completely different, allowing the entire AMD processor lineup to have the ability to perform as good (and better in about half of the tests) than Intel's chips. Think of it this way: AMD's processors are a Dodge Truck. Intel's processors are a Ferrari. AMD's can haul the weight when it comes down to it, but aren't as fast. Intel's processors can outrun AMD's, but can't haul as much weight. When it comes to gaming, AMD's "weigh-hauling ability" comes into play, allowing better performance. Media applications use raw clockspeed, allowing Intel's faster processors to take the lead.

I could go more in detail, but it's pointless. That's the most basic explanation ya need. AMD has found a way to design processors that kick ass without having huge clock speeds. Intel releases processors with huge clock speeds because it works. It's as simple as that! The reason many people prefer AMD over Intel? AMD's chips are cheaper than Intels. Much, much cheaper until recently (Intel lowered the prices on most of their processors...a damn good idea too).

*EDIT* I forgot to mention a key part of a gaming computer. You said you were using this PC for gaming...well, for gaming machines, the videocard matters waaaay more than the processor. Having more RAM and a better videocard will benefit you in games much more than a faster processor will. It's been a few years since the processor mattered most in gaming. Now most of the processes calculated in games is up to the videocard...that's why some GPU's are almost as fast as CPU's. A simple Athlon XP 2500+ or 2.4 GHz HT Pentium 4 will hold you over in gaming for a couple of years in gaming...the videocard is what ya need to pay the most attention to. If ya need help deciding on a new videocard, just ask!

-Lasereth

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Lasereth

You could buy another 3200+ and be fine with gaming for at least two years if you got a good videocard.

-Lasereth

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zxello

i have a geforce fx 5950 ultra, so im set on the video card, i also run a gig of Corsair Dual DDR400. Im not sure if my processor is fried or not, i just know the mobo doesnt work anymore, is there any other way to check the processor? as i said, that mobo was running with an amd athlon 3200+.....

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Lasereth

I'd definitely find another motherboard to use to check out which component is fried. I wouldn't spend money until I knew the exact problem. I guess that's easy for me to say since I have so much computer shit laying around in my room. Either way, all I can recommend is testing out the components with another CPU and mobo before buying anything new...especially since your processor is still top of the line for gaming.

-Lasereth

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shortynickel

i am an everquest player and the new expansion that comes out will be more then my computer can handle atm (mobo/processor wise 1gig dell). if i were u then i would try to meet or exceed the recommend specs....say if i were going to play WoW or even Doom3