07-23-2003, 05:54 PM | #1 (permalink) |
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Kazaa and the RIAA
My kids use Kazaa alot. The RIAA have issued over 870 subpoenes and it looks like it's getting serious. I want to get rid of it off our computer and my oldest (19) says I'm worring about nothing. Any ideas folks?
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07-23-2003, 06:14 PM | #2 (permalink) |
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Well, I'd say if you're worried about it, be on the safe side and nuke it. Chances are though, unless you're sharing a LOT of illegal stuff, you won't get targetted.
Better safe than sorry though, huh?
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07-23-2003, 06:39 PM | #5 (permalink) |
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I'd be pretty wary of feeling secure with anything that says it "blocks the RIAA addresses" as what's to stop the RIAA from just buying a dial-up modem connection from some ISP, connecting to Kazaa, and watching and writing down names, addresses, times, and files?
If you are going to share files (which I pass no judgement on), then you may want to use DirectConnect, as that greatly limits the number of people who you're "exposed" to at once. Sure, it also limits what's available, but it may be "safer" in terms of the RIAA tracking you down and trying to sue you. Despite that, if you're going to do filesharing on public networks, it's a very distinct possibility that you will be found out before too long.
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07-23-2003, 06:52 PM | #7 (permalink) |
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i only thought they went after "the big dogs".
i use kazaa lite mostly for software, but have a couple of country songs.
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07-23-2003, 06:54 PM | #8 (permalink) |
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I wouldn't recommend using it at work for a few reasons: (1) Your network admins will notice if they're halfway competent and tell you to stop immediately, as chances are that there are company policies telling you not to (I know we have those policies set in place) and (2) the RIAA loves going after corporations with users who share files more than individuals, as they can nail the corporations for a lot more money.
But yea, statistically, chances are slim that you'll get caught in the near future.
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07-23-2003, 07:08 PM | #10 (permalink) |
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I myself have personaly ceased all downloading for the time being, just until I hear more about what's going on. So far I've not heard of anyone caught in my area, but I'm still laying low for a bit. I have just left kazaa on my computer just to listen to songs with just never downloading and I highly doubt I'll get caught. But the choice is up to you, either be the asertive father or the ... um.... not so asertive father.
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07-23-2003, 07:37 PM | #11 (permalink) | |
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But you do bring up a good point. Any intelligent sysadmin will probably protect the company by having you remove Kazaa.
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07-23-2003, 08:13 PM | #13 (permalink) |
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It's really nothing to be that worried about. Just think about it, MILLIONS of people use Kazaa constantly everyday. The chances that they are going to come after you are slim to none. I would be more worried about being hit by lightning than this.
But, to be safe though, there are a couple of ways you can slim down your chances. Disable all uploads, unshare everything in your Kazaa directory, and if you download any songs, go after the versions that only one user has. Stay away from versions of songs that over 5 people have. If I was the RIAA and I wanted to catch people downloading from me, I'd be sure to be one of the 40 users that has that one version you'll get, because I know everyone goes after the 40 user version rather than the 1 user version since it's faster. |
07-24-2003, 12:06 AM | #14 (permalink) |
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Heres my soapbox:
The RIAA is soooo STUPID! They lost against the software companies because they have that loophole. Which was pure genius. Personally i think that judge was downloading it to but...Anyways the RIAA is doing this because theres nothing else they can do. They are sooo desperate, and don't know what they are doing. I dispise the RIAA, they are nothing more than a national organization to inflate cd prices. There is no reason I should have to pay 20 bucks for a cd that i want one song. Get a clue! I will buy a CD when it is reasonably priced, and we are talking 5 bucks. I have no problem even doing the apple.com thing. But heres what I say to cheat the system. First of all don't use Kazaa. That program has so many viruses and hackers I don't trust it. Use WinMX, its known, but not to the degree as Kazaa and the RIAA isn't using it to search for the ppl. 2, Keep your older downloaded files in a seperate folder which is not shared. I have a seperate download folder which I clear out once a year. It gets maybe 100 files in it. and 3, If you ever get caught the best way to rub it in the RIAA's face is to go out and buy every CD which song of music is on that pc. Keep most of them in wrappers, but as long as you have that reciept you can take the back after the trial. Just my way of telling the RIAA to stop inflating prices....
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07-24-2003, 12:32 AM | #15 (permalink) |
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I’ve stopped, completely, I never really shared music but it’s just the right thing to do ... even though RIAA brought this alone there self. If they would not charge $20 per CD, they would increase there sales, if they sold CD's for like $5 apiece, I would buy just about any CD, because $5 is not that much, but since they are $20, I don’t want to buy it unless it is worth $20, being that most cds only have 3-4 good songs on them, its not worth it.
Simply said if they were to reduce the price to $5 (or there about) they would increase there sales 10 fold. Further they must make it easier to buy the CD then to download it, and making it cheep does this. Further what is with the prices, you can buy a cd for $20 or the cassette for $10. I don’t know about you, but I can buy 100 CDR's for like $20 that’s 20 cents a piece. Where as the cheapest cassette (per 100) is 57 cents nearly 3 times the price, why are cd's not cheaper?
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07-24-2003, 09:31 AM | #17 (permalink) |
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I for one am not worried in the least.
Kazaa as of 5 mins ago. 3,655,258 users online | 765,771,120 files (5,755,480 GB) RIAA Hit List Even if you take the 870 users quoted above and the current number of users online which I have seen as high as 5 millon. you chances are very small you'll be in any trouble. The percentage is in your favor. Only .00023% of the current users are targeted and the RIAA surely doesn't have the $$ to go after everyone. But they will target the biggest abusers. List of targeted users. Aab@Kazaa Aboggs2@Kazaa allstatetide@Kazaa Amissann2@Kazaa AngelaMikesell@Kazaa anon39023@Kazaa anthonybotz@Kazaa aoster1@Kazaa Ariel167@fileshare asheejojo@Kazaa Ashley@Grokster azn_bahamut@Kazaa B.B.C@Kazaa badandy@Kazaa Benchy987@Kazaa Bigeasssy24@Kazaa Bigpimpinitopey187@Kazaa bigjohnhc@Kazaa blazel@Kazaa bluemonkey13@Kazaa Boilermaker1214@Kazaa brentandjonna@Kazaa brich410@Kazaa budman5000@Kazaa Bush323@Kazaa cado@Kazaa Carolyn@fileshare Casal@Kazaa cbegalle@Kazaa cherriie@Kazaa CLOVER77@Kazaa Corky101@Kazaa Cortez1023@Kazaa CowgirlMDR@Kazaa crazyface@Kazaa d-dubb@Grokster dallass@Kazaa daredevil@Kazaa DEFAINCE357@Kazaa definitely_ditzy@Kazaa dimples0530@Kazaa dmadigan@Kazaa dotzbadger@Kazaa dubcha@Kazaa dulfingurl2@Kazaa Dyellagurl22@Kazaa Dziion@Kazaa eddieh@Kazaa emmi4@Kazaa enbbarnes@Kazaa ERIKA@Kazaa felicia_alvarado@Kazaa flowerpower0818@fileshare fox3j@Kazaa freckles72587@Kazaa fritzbuilding@Kazaa Generalby@Kazaa Ghettobootybabe8@Kazaa h2ochamp@kazaa harris@Kazaa heather_thee_amazing@Kazaa hoami316@Kazaa hooterzzz@Kazaa hottdude0587@Kazaa HyDang@Kazaa ilovemydez@Kazaa indepunk74@Kazaa inthisroom@Kazaa jamonie@Kazaa JE_WV@Kazaa Jeff@Kazaa Jessica@Kazaa jim@Kazaa joanjett@Kazaa joe@Kazaa jomada@Kazaa JustineRiot@Kazaa kelney12@Kazaa kenne007@Kazaa KrAyZiE@Kazaa ktgurl13@Grokster kunstrukter@Kazaa ladypimp8669@Kazaa laurelbean@Kazaa leahpate@Kazaa LiLHuNnIe1480@Kazaa Lisweet@Kazaa Lyssy348@Kazaa madkirk@fileshare Marge4131@Kazaa Marla262@Kazaa mgokey@Kazaa mike@Kazaa Motivator@Kazaa munkeyspanker21@Kazaa nikki@Kazaa Niltiak@Kazaa Nodopefor2@Kazaa paulina@Kazaa pdia@Kazaa PDJ1846@Kazaa Playgirlmama@Kazaa Prtythug23@Kazaa qjade512@Kazaa rebecca_m_122@Kazaa rips42@Kazaa rochelle@Kazaa RockOn182@Kazaa samlionofzino@Kazaa shakobe@Kazaa shonga84@Kazaa sk8boyben@Kazaa sneil@Kazaa soccerdog@Kazaa StolenSi@Kazaa sus@Kazaa Sweet3114@Kazaa sweetthang1421@Kazaa TheLastReal7@Kazaa TMONEYNDHIZOUSE@kazaa Tyler@Kazaa Unit984@Kazaa Westly_NoGood@Kazaa www.k_lite.tk_Kazaa_Lite@Kazaa |
07-24-2003, 11:43 AM | #18 (permalink) |
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They are targetting people at random, not only people sharing alot of stuff. No one is truely safe, though the risk is slight. At last count there is 911 subpoenas out there. Take the risk if you want, but it could cost you alot.
Of course, if everyone just disabled uploads, then the file sharing networks wouldn't be as usefull as they are now.
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07-24-2003, 01:06 PM | #21 (permalink) |
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well theres ALWAYS an outside chance that you could get caught. dont be fooled by those kazaa++ programs either, they may block RIAA DOJ CIA NASA blahblah addresses, but the RIAA is outsourcing now to find offenders so that blocking specific addys isnt going to help. you cannot mask (with out proxies or some other work around) yourself if you are sharing and someone makes a connection to your computer to download.
right now they are ONLY going after people who are SHARING mp3s. not downloading. depending on how you interpert the law, you are allowed to download copies of music you already own, so the RIAA cant go after people just for downloading. how can they prove you dont own it? they cant. so just make sure you arent sharing ANYTHING. you can still download anythign safely. but that kind of defeats the purpose of p2p, and this is their goal. tell your kids to research the wonders of irc (xdcc,fserve) and newsgroups, and private ftp trading groups. those are by FAR better than any kazaa or crap like that. in response to the_dude: right now _i think_ theyre going after whoever is responsible for the internet connection. theyre getting ip adresses, unique no matter what login you use, and getting the account/contact information from the ISP. it would be kind of hard to figure out WHO exactly installed the program and used it whenever. basically, the riaa isnt hard up for cash and suing people for it, this is just a giant scare tactic to put an end to p2p. i do believe its going to take down kazaa in time, but everyone will just switch to something else like we all did after napster. there will always be p2p. this is somethign the riaa does not want to believe. Last edited by emopwr; 07-24-2003 at 01:23 PM.. |
07-24-2003, 02:24 PM | #22 (permalink) |
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so, what about 56kers?? wont their ip's change and how can they pinpoint (or does the isp keep track of what ip who used when??).
and how exactly would you get somebody's ip off of a kazaa?
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07-24-2003, 02:34 PM | #23 (permalink) |
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They give a specific time with the IP address, so your ISP will know exactly which user was logged in to their system at that time and was given that IP address.
As for finding out what Kazaa user has what IP, it's pretty easy. Just start downloading the file off the user, then type "netstat -an". One of the entries will be them. If you keep close track before and after downloading, you should be able to pinpoint the IP address with no trouble at all. Also, you could use a program like "ActivePorts" to show you what application is using what port, and what they're connecting to. From there, you should be able to find out what IP addresses Kazaa is connecting to.
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07-24-2003, 04:32 PM | #25 (permalink) |
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I really appreciate all the info gang. We've eliminated kazaa and the others and put all the songs and tv shows and programs on disk. I agree that the chances are small of getting caught but my wife will sleep easyer tonight. Thanks.
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07-24-2003, 05:37 PM | #26 (permalink) | |
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07-24-2003, 09:30 PM | #30 (permalink) |
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There are millions upon millions upon probably even more millions of people downloading "pirated" music. The chances of you getting caught are almost zilch.. I think they are just catchin the big time downloaders or the people who have servers to hold pirated music.
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07-24-2003, 11:14 PM | #32 (permalink) |
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well either way there is still the chance you could get caught by the riaa using kazaa. and thats pretty shitty. i have absolutely no money right now to be paying the riaa 10,000 dollars for some bs mp3s, so ill stick to other means of obtaining mp3s, heh.
about the mpaa going after people: they have been going after people sharing movies on kazaa for a while now. they did not make this big of a deal about it though. ive seen emails that have been sent to people sharing pirated movies, but they are more along the lines of cease and desist letters telling people to delete or stop sharing the file in question. they havent threatened lawsuits yet. but who fucking knows. its so funny though, because when you think about it, what are the riaa/mpaa supposed to do? i mean they arent stupid, they know no matter what they do, we will always share/steal/borrow/lend/tryout/preview their material. they actually do KNOW this. they just cant conceed to this fact. i dont blame em really. they do lose some amount of money because of p2p. the actual amount is arguable, but you have to admit they are losing at least some amount of money, so what company is going to be like ' fine, ok, take our money without a fight'. if that makes any sense which i hope it does and in response to the previous reply: yes they can detect you regardless of what kazaa version you are using. you are using peer to peer, which means one peer makes a direct connection to another. like all these other kind folk have said, do a 'netstat -a' at the commant prompt to see what connections are exactly connected to you. easy advice. stop sharing files on kazaa if you are concerned. Last edited by emopwr; 07-24-2003 at 11:21 PM.. |
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07-25-2003, 09:35 AM | #35 (permalink) |
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I'm just concerned about the fact that these scare tactics are working. I got half a dozen emails when this was first announced from friends of mine who promptly turned off uploads in Kazaa. We're doing exactly what the RIAA wants and if people stop sharing, then they have won. Personally, I used to only share my recent downloads 'bout 500MB (mostly pr0n). Soon as I heard about these lawsuits, I shared all of my MP3's, which include rips of the roughly 200 CD's I've bought over the years.
I don't want the **AA to win this round. Stick it to the legal bullies and share. (especially if you are outside of US jurisdiction, stick it to the ***of America organizations. Worst case is they pull a Skylarov on you, but that's pretty damned unlikely seeing has there have been no arrests for mp3 piracy yet.) |
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07-25-2003, 05:18 PM | #38 (permalink) |
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i hope the RIAA realizes that they have made a hell of a lot of enemies by doing this and their record sales are gonna drop significantly more than the measley 6.8% they lost from 2002, and the majority of that is due to lame music thats out there.
They better realize that people will work as hard as they can to get around all this now that the RIAA has started attacking people. Filesharing is not going away and they will learn that the hard way. they have also probably spent more money now on finding people's IP's and getting subpoenas than they ever lost in record sales. Kazaa++ also is very good because they cannot see your IP at all, or just putting up a firewall will do the same thing. The RIAA is just digging themselves a huge hole that they are gonna have a hard time getting out of because a lot of people are pissed about this. I see it that most people download music that they wouldnt have bought in the first place, thats what i do. I buy cds that i like and download songs that i dont feel like spending $20 on. Also most of my mp3s are ripped from cds i own, and they are planning getting people for damages of $750 to $150,000 for each song. This means i can be charged $3,324,750 (low end) and $664,950,000 (high end). Ya right. RIAA will end up being so hated that some other music industry will be able to dominate and thus get rid of the lame ass RIAA.
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07-25-2003, 11:24 PM | #39 (permalink) |
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If you are at all interested in this kazaa and the RIAA stuff, i suggest checking out fark. Take every comment with a grain of salt, though. Oh ya, by the way, the new Kazaa lite blocks RIAA ip addys and doesn't let other users search through your shared file, lowering the risk significantly.
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07-26-2003, 10:08 AM | #40 (permalink) |
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jmad, please see above for the (numerous) times I've stated that Kazaa lite cannot possibly "block RIAA IP addresses" without blocking every single IP address in existence.
What do you mean "doesn't let others search through your shared file" ? You mean "doesn't share any files" or what? If it doesn't let you share files, and everyone uses it, then you'd quickly run out of content on Kazaa.
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