Does Bonds win the MVP again? - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

aliali · 10-22-2004, 08:36 AM

Is he deserving?

Is there any argument to discount his stats?

Will the votes go to someone else who hasn't won before just because.

Jimellow · 10-22-2004, 09:29 AM

I think the main argument in opposition to Bonds getting the MVP is that he isn't a likeable guy and portrays an image of himself that he is above the fans and the game itself.

However, this shouldn't factor in to MVP voting, so he will likely get it, however I don't know if it is tougher to win it consecutive years or not, so that may be a factor?

Mojo_PeiPei · 10-22-2004, 09:31 AM

Who knows, Beltre did get his team to the playoffs. Sadly the 3 big guys from murderers row take away from each other.

dbc · 10-22-2004, 11:40 AM

He wins it without question. How can anyone claim to be more valuable than him?

Mojo_PeiPei · 10-22-2004, 11:44 AM

Beltre, because he made his team, and got them to the playoffs... Bonds was the most valuble, be he didn't get them there.

Halx · 10-22-2004, 12:02 PM

While Bonds had another incredible year, I think Beltre gets it both because SOME votes will go to him because people think Bonds has won enough, and because he deserves it just as much.

Dingo2879 · 10-22-2004, 12:10 PM

It's definatley deserving, he is a factor in everygame. Without him there is no way the Giants would have been in it as long as they were. But.... I have to admit, after all the allegations surrounding him, and that S.I. article a few weeks ago, I am not sure. I know that the M.V.P is for on field actions only, but more and more after hearing all this negative press on the guy it's getting harder to respect what he does on the field.

aliali · 10-22-2004, 01:53 PM

No votes for any of the Cards? Pujols, Rolen?

Mojo_PeiPei · 10-22-2004, 02:07 PM

They all take votes away from each other.

Cross-Over · 10-22-2004, 04:11 PM

I think Bonds deserves to and will win the MVP.

Teams are afraid to pitch to him, they walked him an insane amount of times. His base on balls were not earned entirely out of respect, he has an excellent sense of the strike zone. Bonds also led the NL in hitting, was top 5 in homers, and drove in over 100 runs. Defensively, he is an avearage fielder. Beltre has an advantage here, but Pujlos really doesnt.

Kurant · 10-22-2004, 06:17 PM

I think Bonds wins it also. Cross-Over covered everything.

yankeefatboy · 10-22-2004, 10:18 PM

Barry Bonds has the personality of a snail. However, there is no one that is more feared/respected in baseball than Bonds. If he had been pitched to more, the numbers would be amazing. Sorry, but Bonds is the MVP.

Konichiwaneko · 10-23-2004, 09:55 PM

ted williams I think had the personality of snail, so did many of the hall of famers. Ty cobb?

I think Bonds had an excellent year. Belltre definately is a contender, but I think the arguement is going to be "Helped a Team" against "Is the Team".

Barry has stats that whole teams didn't have

CheesePizzaMan · 10-24-2004, 11:07 AM

Every pitcher in the NL would vote bonds as the MVP. So would every manager not named Tony. However, I hope he gets snubbed because of the steroid issue.

kutulu · 10-25-2004, 10:48 AM

As much as I hate the guy and the team he plays for, I think he deserves it. They might as well call it the Barroids award and have an almostMVP award for the next best guy in the NL.

All you have to do is look at the numbers: .362/.609/.812/1.422

All time record for OBP. He was 3 HR short of leading the league and he did it with 200AB less than the guys ahead of him.

yoyoyobro · 10-25-2004, 12:22 PM

If A-Rod could take it with the Rangers then Bonds has to bring home the hardware this year

aerozeppelin · 10-25-2004, 02:26 PM

Even more than Bonds' numbers, look at how disruptive to the other team he is. No one pitches to him, the other team fears him, etc.... - he can destroy a team's game plan without even swinging his bat. Plus, you have to factor in someone's value to their team. Beltre and Bonds are both key to their teams, but I think that the Dodgers rely less on Beltre than the Giants do on Bonds (Pujols is out mostly because of this category - too much depth on the Cards). Overall, Bond's intimidation factor, more than his numbers (which are astronomical), lock up his MVP.

kutulu · 10-25-2004, 03:48 PM

If pitchers were to pitch to Barry like they do to everyone else, he would have hit 60 no problem this year.

BadForm · 10-26-2004, 05:46 PM

It's got to be Bonds. His numbers dwarf everyone elses and his team was in the race until the final weekend.

wolfpack0102 · 10-27-2004, 09:03 PM

yeshe should get MVP again

guy44 · 10-27-2004, 10:36 PM

Clearly it is Bonds. Look, the award is not "Best player to take his team to the playoffs." It isn't any one player's fault that the other players around him may not be good. Bonds so completely dominated the league that he simply must be voted MVP. It's nice to see so many people thinking this one out. I'd hate for him to lose it because, like happened often with the Mick, the BBWAA just got tired of giving it to him.

monkeydriven · 10-28-2004, 07:08 AM

Pujols, Bonds is steroid enhanced.

kutulu · 10-28-2004, 12:48 PM

Although I personally believe that Bonds is steroid enhanced, where has it been proven beyond some reasonable doubt that he has taken steroids? He's been tested by the league and we haven't heard anything negative about the results.

Pujols is no stick boy either.

10-22-2004, 08:36 AM	#1 (permalink)
aliali Insane Location: Missouri	Does Bonds win the MVP again? Is he deserving? Is there any argument to discount his stats? Will the votes go to someone else who hasn't won before just because.

10-22-2004, 09:31 AM	#3 (permalink)
Mojo_PeiPei Kiss of Death Location: Perpetual wind and sorrow	Who knows, Beltre did get his team to the playoffs. Sadly the 3 big guys from murderers row take away from each other. __________________ To win a war you must serve no master but your ambition.

10-22-2004, 11:44 AM	#5 (permalink)
Mojo_PeiPei Kiss of Death Location: Perpetual wind and sorrow	Beltre, because he made his team, and got them to the playoffs... Bonds was the most valuble, be he didn't get them there. __________________ To win a war you must serve no master but your ambition.

10-22-2004, 12:02 PM	#6 (permalink)
Halx Please touch this. Owner/Admin Location: Manhattan	While Bonds had another incredible year, I think Beltre gets it both because SOME votes will go to him because people think Bonds has won enough, and because he deserves it just as much. __________________ You have found this post informative. -The Administrator [Don't Feed The Animals]

10-22-2004, 02:07 PM	#9 (permalink)
Mojo_PeiPei Kiss of Death Location: Perpetual wind and sorrow	They all take votes away from each other. __________________ To win a war you must serve no master but your ambition.

10-22-2004, 09:29 AM	#2 (permalink)
Jimellow Junkie	I think the main argument in opposition to Bonds getting the MVP is that he isn't a likeable guy and portrays an image of himself that he is above the fans and the game itself. However, this shouldn't factor in to MVP voting, so he will likely get it, however I don't know if it is tougher to win it consecutive years or not, so that may be a factor?

10-22-2004, 11:40 AM	#4 (permalink)
dbc Tilted	He wins it without question. How can anyone claim to be more valuable than him?

10-22-2004, 12:10 PM	#7 (permalink)
Dingo2879 Crazy Location: Lisle, IL	It's definatley deserving, he is a factor in everygame. Without him there is no way the Giants would have been in it as long as they were. But.... I have to admit, after all the allegations surrounding him, and that S.I. article a few weeks ago, I am not sure. I know that the M.V.P is for on field actions only, but more and more after hearing all this negative press on the guy it's getting harder to respect what he does on the field.

10-22-2004, 01:53 PM	#8 (permalink)
aliali Insane Location: Missouri	No votes for any of the Cards? Pujols, Rolen?

10-22-2004, 04:11 PM	#10 (permalink)
Cross-Over Psycho	I think Bonds deserves to and will win the MVP. Teams are afraid to pitch to him, they walked him an insane amount of times. His base on balls were not earned entirely out of respect, he has an excellent sense of the strike zone. Bonds also led the NL in hitting, was top 5 in homers, and drove in over 100 runs. Defensively, he is an avearage fielder. Beltre has an advantage here, but Pujlos really doesnt.

10-22-2004, 06:17 PM	#11 (permalink)
Kurant Junkie Location: Don't worry about it.	I think Bonds wins it also. Cross-Over covered everything.

10-22-2004, 10:18 PM	#12 (permalink)
yankeefatboy Addict Location: northern california	Barry Bonds has the personality of a snail. However, there is no one that is more feared/respected in baseball than Bonds. If he had been pitched to more, the numbers would be amazing. Sorry, but Bonds is the MVP.

10-23-2004, 09:55 PM	#13 (permalink)
Konichiwaneko The Dreaded Pixel Nazi Location: Inside my camera	ted williams I think had the personality of snail, so did many of the hall of famers. Ty cobb? I think Bonds had an excellent year. Belltre definately is a contender, but I think the arguement is going to be "Helped a Team" against "Is the Team". Barry has stats that whole teams didn't have __________________ Hesitate. Pull me in. Breath on breath. Skin on skin. Loving deep. Falling fast. All right here. Let this last. Here with our lips locked tight. Baby the time is right for us... to forget about us.

10-24-2004, 11:07 AM	#14 (permalink)
CheesePizzaMan Upright Location: 2 Blocks from the Beach, California	Every pitcher in the NL would vote bonds as the MVP. So would every manager not named Tony. However, I hope he gets snubbed because of the steroid issue.

10-25-2004, 10:48 AM	#15 (permalink)
kutulu Junkie	As much as I hate the guy and the team he plays for, I think he deserves it. They might as well call it the Barroids award and have an almostMVP award for the next best guy in the NL. All you have to do is look at the numbers: .362/.609/.812/1.422 All time record for OBP. He was 3 HR short of leading the league and he did it with 200AB less than the guys ahead of him.

10-25-2004, 12:22 PM	#16 (permalink)
yoyoyobro Tilted	If A-Rod could take it with the Rangers then Bonds has to bring home the hardware this year

10-25-2004, 02:26 PM	#17 (permalink)
aerozeppelin Tilted	Even more than Bonds' numbers, look at how disruptive to the other team he is. No one pitches to him, the other team fears him, etc.... - he can destroy a team's game plan without even swinging his bat. Plus, you have to factor in someone's value to their team. Beltre and Bonds are both key to their teams, but I think that the Dodgers rely less on Beltre than the Giants do on Bonds (Pujols is out mostly because of this category - too much depth on the Cards). Overall, Bond's intimidation factor, more than his numbers (which are astronomical), lock up his MVP.

10-25-2004, 03:48 PM	#18 (permalink)
kutulu Junkie	If pitchers were to pitch to Barry like they do to everyone else, he would have hit 60 no problem this year.

10-26-2004, 05:46 PM	#19 (permalink)
BadForm Crazy Location: In an office with no windows	It's got to be Bonds. His numbers dwarf everyone elses and his team was in the race until the final weekend.

10-27-2004, 09:03 PM	#20 (permalink)
wolfpack0102 Crazy Location: Canada	yeshe should get MVP again

10-27-2004, 10:36 PM	#21 (permalink)
guy44 Somnabulist Location: corner of No and Where	Clearly it is Bonds. Look, the award is not "Best player to take his team to the playoffs." It isn't any one player's fault that the other players around him may not be good. Bonds so completely dominated the league that he simply must be voted MVP. It's nice to see so many people thinking this one out. I'd hate for him to lose it because, like happened often with the Mick, the BBWAA just got tired of giving it to him. __________________ "You have reached Ritual Sacrifice. For goats press one, or say 'goats.'"

10-28-2004, 07:08 AM	#22 (permalink)
monkeydriven Addict Location: Boston	Pujols, Bonds is steroid enhanced. __________________ you think i got my eyes closed but i've been lookin' at you the whole f&ckin' time... ------------------------------------------------ Posting from the home of the 2004 World Champion Boston Red Sox

10-28-2004, 12:48 PM	#23 (permalink)
kutulu Junkie	Although I personally believe that Bonds is steroid enhanced, where has it been proven beyond some reasonable doubt that he has taken steroids? He's been tested by the league and we haven't heard anything negative about the results. Pujols is no stick boy either.