canuckguy

okay, just watching the boston/toronto game, enjoying a beer and ballgame. Now Ted Lilly is pitching for the jays, score tied 4-4, runner on first, 2 out. got a 2-2 count on ortiz, and lilly hits ortiz in the hand. Now ortiz stares out at the mound and yells something back at the pitcher...players converge. Now couple things come to mind. First ortiz is a village idiot if he thinks he is getting hit because of something only he and the easter bunny know of. Second he is big pussy to stand there and bark like a bitch insteading of charging the mound. if it bothered him so much why not charge the mound? does he care about a fine or susp? probably not, just a pussy.
Have noticed this trend in baseball for some hitters to stare back at the mound after they get hit. Now these are the same hitters who are practically having sex with the plate cuz they are so on top of it and where so much protection that they are like linebackers. Maybe they have visions of a young robin ventura getting the beats from the geezer nolan ryan (love that one).
now i know that i would wear protection if I was a batter, but I would also know that if its the 7th fucking inning and the game is tied and I have not been a dumbass during the game if I get hit, its just probably the pitcher trying to go inside and it gets away from him. god can't wait for hockey to start up again (if it does) so i can see some real men play. nothing like being accountable for your actions. sorry rant over...... hoping for a boston/cubs final that should have been last year!

djtestudo

Next time he faced him, a guy like Don Drysdale or Bob Gibson would have planted one in his ear.

That's the one thing I like about guys like Clemens and Pedro; they don't take any crap. Of course, they also have a tendency to head-hunt without provocation, which isn't good.

At least the umpires are starting to follow the rules of the strike zone and calling strikes on balls that hit batters because they are leaning in the zone.

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Oh, I get it. You're from Canada, I understand. You think he's a pussy because you want baseball to become just like Hockey. Then you wonder why the NHL is almost kaput.

Ortiz is an MVP contender. He can probably crush most other player in the league in a fight. I don't think he's afraid of Lily, hardly a big guy, at all. I can applaud a guy for not charging the mound and fucking up the game.

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Averett

A vast majority of baseball players are cry babies. You got hit by a pitch? Boo fuckin hoo. Most times it's because you were crowding the plate. Don't want to get hit? Then take a step back, and quit bitchin about it.

And if you got hit because you were an asshole in some other instance (slid in spikes up into the shortstop) then you deserve it. You just hit a home run and you're doing cart wheels while saying you just fucked the pitchers momma. Well, don't wonder why you're getting drilled the next time you're up to bat.

My Dad is always telling me about Bob Gibson, how he'd drill players for just about anything. It's about respect. When you hit a 5,000 foot home run, you don't need to pump your fists in the air and show up the pitcher. Just take your bases and get to the bench. Your shirt sleeve got brushed by a pitch? Take your base for cryin out loud, no need for a pissing match.

Charging the mound is nonsense. There's rules for how this should all go down. You get hit on purpose. Take your base, your pitcher should have your back and drill somebody else. Then everyone gets warnings and it's over. Get back to the game. Course that's not how it's always done.

And I'm sure this won't be a popular opinion... But bench clearning brawls are so stupid. Follow those unwritten rules and you'll be all set

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^ That is just a friggin classic.

But as for Ortiz, I would have to have seen the whole game to know if he had done something else earlier on to warrant the beaning, now I am not saying throwing a rock hard object 90+ MPH is snactioned in anyway by anyone but well, things do just kinda happen for a reason sometimes, and he should know that.

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Averett

Thanks

Yeah, I'm not sayin anyone should be drilled in the head by a pitch. But a well placed ball to the upper thigh will get your point across.

I didn't see the game either, but yep, these things usually do happen for a reason. If it seems really out of place within the context of the game then well... Maybe the batter did fuck the pitchers mom

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cameroncrazy822

Hitters have to stand up for themselves or they will continue to be thrown at. His staring down was the first step in getting some respect back from the pitcher. The pitcher will remember and so will Ortiz. If he gets thrown at again in the next match up the stare may change to an ass whippin'. Pitchers like Clemons and Martinez, while both being superb pitchers and competitors, cross the line often and put peoples' lives in jeapardy. They both need a good ass kicking in my opinion just to remind them that if they do head hunt they will have to defend their own head if they throw at the wrong guy at the wrong time. It's baseball.

canuckguy

ummm no i never said i wanted to baseball to be like hockey? I was pointing out that fact that he does not have to answer for his actions. he can stand there and yell at the pitcher until all the benches empty so he can pretend to have someone hold him back. as well hockey is not collapsing because of players being pussies. hockey failing because of the high salaries and over expansion.

canuckguy

i agree that hitters should be able to protect themselves and should charge the mound or whatever they feel is needed when its called for. but its like a guy getting hit in the thigh when its 2 out in the 9th inning and pitcher is throwing a no-no. the hitter is retard to think he is getting hit on purpose. now the score is 15-1 in the top of the 3rd inning and sure, you might have an issue. but for christ sake the hitters now just think everything they get hit its a big deal. just like ortiz last night.

absorbentishe

But, if the hitters are wearing protection and standing over the plate, yes, they are going to get hit, and they need to stop crying about it. There's a huge difference between an intentional hit, and one that just got away, and if ortiz is a fuckin' baby over one that got away, go play little league.

canuckguy

i very much argee!

dylanmarsh

The Ortiz incident: From what I've been told from my cousin who was sitting in the seat right next to the Toronto dugout, Ortiz and other players from both sides were talking shit back and forth for most of the night. While I agree it might have seemed that Ortiz was being a pussy for getting hit in the hand, one must realize that other things happen during the course of the game that isn't known to television viewer. I'm sure Ortiz getting hit did have something to do with the Delgado incident the night before when Lowe hit 'em in the ass to open the 8th inning.

It does bother me, on occasion, to see some batters get all butt hurt about being hit. However, there is very little recourse for him getting hit, especially in the American League. The pitcher never bats and the batter never pitches, and one can't rely on your team's pitcher taking care of business (eg: Estes throwing behind Clemens for Piazza). If this was in the National League and Lilly had the balls to throw inside to and hit Pedro, Pedro would nail Lilly the next time Lilly bats. With that said and getting back to last night's game, what is Ortiz to do? Take a fastball to hand and walk to first without saying anything? Fuck that. Lilly's lucky that Ortiz was restrained and that Ortiz didn't want another suspension.

Spartak

What the fuck does bringing up his country of residence have to do with anything that he has said ? Instead of replying to his argument of course it's better to generalise and belittle him, right ?

You're the last person on this board I'd expect that from.

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cameroncrazy822

Absolutely, it goes both ways. If a hitter does act like an asshole given the situations you sited, he would like like an idiot and more than likely would get thrown at again... on purpose though the next time.

canuckguy

i was going to say something but i figured everyone would beat me down cuz the guy runs this awesome forum. thanks for mentioning that.

jasonresno

At least he had the self control NOT to charge the mound.

goppers

two things.

Ortiz already missed 5 games in a MVP type season for overreacting. I'm just fine with him not doing anything to lose more time.

Also, Dylan is very much right. I personally think that a player charging the mound is stupid. That said I think the opposing teams pitcher plunking a star as revenge counts as "the players policing(sl?) the game." I'm fine with that.