G_Lock

Man what a bunch of crap. All OU had to do was win, and Texas would get their first ever bid to a BCS game. I feel bad for the seniors at Texas. They did everything right in the second half of the season, and because of a stupid rule in the BCS says that 3 teams are not allowed from one conference, that leaves Texas out. I especially feel bad for Roy Williams, who gave up going to the NFL for one more year with the Horns, and to have it end like this, SUCKS. I know this is not true, but I feel like OU LOST ON PURPOSE. They screwed Texas twice this season. First by beating us, and then by losing when they knew that we would then be out.

Also, I am sorry, but I do not think OU should go to the national title game. I know that they are a VERY good team, but going to the BCS title game without winning your conference is WRONG. I seriously hope that the BCS makes some sort of rule for next year and beyond, that says that to goto the National Title Game, you MUST be your own division champ. Also I feel really bad for USC, and I hope they give hell to the BCS folks. My best guess is that in the AP & USA/ESPN polls, USC will be NO. 1, followed by LSU at NO. 2, and then OU at NO. 3. BUT in the BCS, more than likely OU/LSU will be NO.1/NO.2 (or vice versa), and USC will be NO.3. I mean how do you like that, hey USC congratulations for winning your division, and for having only one loss, and for being NO.1 in the polls, but oh by the way, you can't compete for the National Title Game. That is screwed up. I can only hope that some how the poll voters drop OU to NO.4, behind Michigan (VERY UNLIKELY), which would most likely result in OU being NO.3 in the BCS, and out of the title game. And one last thing, stupid OU is also getting quality win points from beating Texas, who now will probably finish 5th or 6th in the BCS and NOT get a BCS Bowl Game Bid.

OK, I am done with my venting. Man that felt good to get it out. Thanks for reading

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fearofmear

I want whatever it is your taking if you seriously think OU lost the game on purpose to fuck over Texas.

bond007

although USC won't play in the Sugar Bowl, they can still win a share of the national title.

The_Dude

as the commentators said, OU is like teh big bully on the block and now they got their ass whopped.

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UTRA

There's no other excuse for ou losing that damn football game than stoops figuring they were playing for it all anyway, why not fuck over Texas. Kansas State should not have been able to blow out a team like that any other way. FUCK YOU BOB STOOPS.

BigBlueWrecking

I love it. The BCS is bullshit and I hope it ends soon! OU deserves to be there, and I think LSU deserves it more than USC (LSU plays a much tougher schedule). I think there needs to be a playoff to find out the true winner. 8 teams would be fine. 3 total weeks would not be a big deal.

G_Lock

First off, I would like to say, exactly what I said would happen, did happen today when they released the standings.

Second, I was joking when I said OU lost on purpose. I doubt bob stoops would want a perfect season to be lost just cuz it would keep Texas out.

Finally, I agree with BigBlue, IT SHOULD BE A PLAYOFF SYSTEM.

I say, you can keep the BCS ranking system, but use it as a playoff setup, with one exception, remove the quality win component. Then take the top 1-8 teams in the BCS standings, and have them play a bracketed playoffs. 1v8, 2v7, 3v6, and 4v5, and then next round have the highest remaining seed play the lowest remaining seed, etc. Keep doing it, until u have two teams left that play in the "national title game". The only problem with that scenario, is there are times when a conference champ will not be ranked in the top 8, but I say thats fine. I mean this year Kstate is number 10 in the BCS, and therefore in my system would be left out, even though they won the big XII, but I say thats okay. I mean come on, they have three losses. I think that would REALLY make it the top 8 teams in the country playing against each other. None of this automatic bid because you are a conference champ. I mean both Oklahoma and Texas are better (record wise and BCS wise) than Kstate, but because its Big XII north v south, Texas is automatically out cuz OU beat them, and KState, who not only lost to Texas, but also has a worse record, would get to go to it. And none of these rules that say only x number of teams from a conference can go. If teams 1-4 are from one conference in the BCS, thats fine, because that means they deserve it. And since Strength of Schedule is part of the BCS, you will truly get the teams that have few losses and are playing tough teams to get there. I would really like some feedback on why this scenario would not work. I am trying to think of things I am overlooking that would make my suggestion flawed. Thanks.

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omnigod

What the hell man? Kansas State is a great team, we just got shaken up a little with injurys. Give credit where credit is due.

Liquor Dealer

While I am damned unhappy with having lost Saturday night, I have in no way lost faith in Stoops or the Sooners - they've have lnow lost the same number of games as the rest of all the teams in the top half of the ratings. There is no way that the other poll can justify the moves they made over the weekend. K-State (which I have serious personal dislikes for and not just because of this weekend!) was in the top 15. Where were the teams that LSU and USC defeated ranked? The simple fact that they lost the last regularly scheduled game should have no more effect than those who lost the first. OU will beat LSU (in their own backyard) and then the pollsters can debate all they want.

thedrake

BCS blows better than my dog---next i need to get a dog

G_Lock

Uhh..., just so you know LSU lost their only game to Florida (No.17 at that time, now No.15). They lost 19-7. And in the SEC title game they defeated Georgia (No.5 at that time, now No.11). They won 34-13.

And USC lost their only game to California. Now I know that team is not ranked, but, you know that its a little different in rivalry games, AND they lost in TRIPLE OVERTIME.

And to recap OU got their asses handed to them in a rout by Kansas State (No.15 at that time, now No.10). They got whooped 35-7.

So I am sorry, but I do not agree with you. All bias aside, I truly believe that all 3 of those teams deserve to be in the national title game. But, obviously only 2 can. And I am sorry to say, in this case, I believe it should be based on the coaches/AP polls. And it is FLAT OUT WRONG that USC is not playing LSU in the sugar bowl, as they are the No.1 and No.2 teams. And Liquor Dealer, no matter how much you don't like it, thats what it should be. And I think it is only fitting, that *IF* OU beats LSU, and USC beats Michigan, then they will be CO-NATIONAL CHAMPIONS.

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Liquor Dealer

After Saturday night I couldn't agree with you more on all three being basically equal at this point. What I totally disagrree with are the polls that dropped Oklahoma to 3rd based on the same one loss that the others have. The score is irrelevant - the only factor that really counts is the difference between W and L. The BCS is BS - I don't think anyone would disagree - but, is there a more equitable way to decide? The playoffs used by other sports give more meaning to the idea of national champion but, it isn't feasible for football.

Perhaps if the regualr season was shortened some type of playoff system would be equitable but, who would decide who was in the playoffs? I think you'd end right up back with something like what we have now that everyone is unhappy with.

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djtestudo

Not true. You make the playoffs 16 teams, and shorten the season to 11 games. Every conference champion gets an auto bid, so that's 11 spots, and the other five are at large bids based on the average ranking of the two main polls.You end the season Thanksgiving Weekend, have a week off, and start the playoffs, ending with the final game on New Year's Day.

Academics would be as affected as they are in I-AA, II, and III, all of which have playoffs.

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The_Dude

KSU - OU is more of a rivalry than anyone thinks. Stoops was the def coordinator for Snyder back in 96 or so and when he left, he took a lot of coaches with him. Snyder wasnt too happy about this and there was a lot of bad feelings between them. As the announcer said, there is prolly nobody that Snyder would've rather beat to win the big xii championship.

You really seem to concentrate on the one loss that OU has.

What about the wins that OU had?

1) 65-13 to a then top 5 and a now top 5 Texas. USC/LSU didnt come close to doing anything like this.

2) 52-9 Okie State. They were a top 20 team then and is one now.

Both are "rivalry" games.

OU had a margin of victory of 585 to 193. 8 teams out of the 13 they played had a .500 or better record.

Who does USC have credit of beating? #15 washington state? (Who will get SMOKED by Texas, who was SMOKED by OU).

LSU's big wins came against #16 Miss (a 3 pt win)

Georgia (7 pts and 21 pts).

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G_Lock

Well two things.
First, as much as you or I don't like it, when it comes to the human polls, a loss later in the season is MUCH more detrimental than a loss near the begining. I know this is not exactly fair, since you have three 1 loss teams. But, as is the case in previous years, the teams that lose later on in the season fall further in the polls, which in this case means that OU falls behind USC and LSU.

Second, one major case someone can make for OU not being in the national title game, is that they DID NOT even win their conference. Many people think it is wrong for a team to be in the national title game without having won your own conference first. I mean look at Nebraska two years ago. I am surprised after that, the BCS did not add some rule like that. If they had, we right now would not be having all this drama going on. It would have been simple, 3 one-loss teams, one of them didn't win thier conference, therefore the other 2 one-loss teams that did, will play in the sugar bowl for a chance at the national title. Since the BCS doesn't expire till 2005, I REALLY HOPE THIS YEAR THEY WILL ADD THAT RULE.

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cementor

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OU's loss to KState is worse than USC losing to Cal at 2-3 at the time and LSU losing to Florida (Ranked 17) at home? Admitted the score was ugly, but it was a foregone conclusion we were in the Sugar via the BCS anyway. I have mixed emotions about it, but when you look at the seasons performance and the final records in the Big 12 - w/ Conference Championship game OU 8-1, Texas 7-1, KSU 7-2, OSU and Tech 5-3. OU is just as deserving as LSU and/or USC. I don't like the BCS and I dislike the Conference Championship games even more. It isn't right that some conferences play them and some don't. This wouldn't have been the first time a conference CC game knocked a Big 12 team out of the Nat'l title hunt. Wasn't Texas and Nebraska in that same position 5 or 6 years back? It seems stupid to me to tempt fate. LSU loves it ... this year due to strength points.

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The_Dude

just had to share that.

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G_Lock

I totally agree, that it is unfair that some conferences have a championship and others do not. Like I said in an earlier post, I think it is unfair that Kansas State who HAS 3 losses, lost to Texas (who has a better record), and is ranked lower than them, gets to goto the Big XII championship game. You know, if you are an OU fan, you guys are lucky that loosing in the Big XII Champ game did not cost you a shot at the national title. I am still upset about that game two years back when Texas was ranked high enough to goto the national title game, but had to play in the Big XII Champ game first. Texas played Colorado and lost. That cost us a shot at the national title. Maybe I am a little bitter, that are loss costed us, but yet OU was able to not only lose, knock Texas out of a BCS Bowl Game, but STILL make it to the national title game.

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P.S. The_Dude, that is freakin' hilarious. Thanks.

G_Lock

Speaking of a playoff system. I ran into this on ESPN, its pretty neat. Lets see what the public thinks, so all of you guys go vote.

http://espn.go.com/page2/s/bracket/bcs.html


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The_Dude

F-ing A. USC will not touch Texas and K-state will stomp LSU.

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G_Lock

I agree that Texas has a descent shot at beating USC. However, I do believe LSU could beat K-State. I know they beat OU and everything, but they are still a THREE LOSS team. And the way LSU played against Georgia in the SEC Title game, was pretty damn good. If pressed, I would say LSU would beat K-State, and Texas would beat USC (but it would be very close).

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cementor

The only difference was I think it was the Horns second loss???? True??

I agree we are most fortunate.

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aswo

USC Can't touch the Horns, what kind of texas peyote are you smoking the last time i checked the horns got stomped by ARKANSAS and obliterated by OU, ridiculous how bias clouds all resonable judgement

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G_Lock

Bias aside, I think Texas would have a shot against USC. I agree, they got routed by OU. Howerver, the loss to Arkansas was a little different. I am not trying to make excuses, but it was early on in the season, and the Vince Young factor had not been seen. After the beating against OU, I think Texas has played fairly well. It would be unfair to say that USC would kill Texas, or Texas would kill USC. I think it would be a GREAT, very close game. Basically, I think whichever team comes up with the last "big" play, would win the game. Personally I think it would have to come on defense from either team. Both USC and Texas have very high potent offenses. I think whichever defense comes up with a bigger play, or more turnovers, would decide the outcome of a very close game.

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The_Dude

USC doesnt know what a top 25 looks like, let alone a top 5 team. they're going to get obiliterated by michigan.

they will get a dose of football outside the pac10.

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G_Lock

I want USC to win against Michigan, so that there can be a CO-NATIONAL CHAMPION. I DON'T WANT STUPID OU TO WIN THE TITLE ALONE. Yes, I am still bitter.

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