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ledhead · 10-06-2003, 09:35 PM

alright, did any of you see the ending of that game, all i have to say is .... crazy. when i saw the colts were making a comeback i wanted them to win (i have no preference to either team regularly) but in the overtime it should have been bucs ball after they missed the field goal.

the call the ref made was one of the worst calls i have ever seen. even al michaels thought so. if any of you saw this you know what i am talking about.

but anyway the colts deserved to win, but not that way.

Spartak · 10-06-2003, 09:38 PM

Yeh, but then Al Michaels busted out the rulebook and it clearly said (so he claimed) that if a player jumps up to block a field goal, and touches any player as he comes down its unsportsmanlike conduct.

Best MNF game I've ever seen, imo. That comeback in the last four mins was jaw dropping.

inkriminator · 10-06-2003, 09:49 PM

I've a feeling that is a rule that may be revised like the tuck rule, it just doesn't make sense. It's horrible that such an amazing game had to end with such nitpickery.

The_Dude · 10-06-2003, 10:01 PM

amazing! tony dungy is the MAN! (a lucky man).

i just cant believe that the bucs gave the game away like that!

dy156 · 10-07-2003, 05:47 AM

I was wondering how come Gruden wasn't going apeshit about the clock and then that call until Al Micheals read the rule book. I bet most coaches would have, and the fact that gruden apparantly knows the rules that well - damn, I guess he is obsessed. I thought Dominic Rhodes running into the kicker call was bogus too. I was pulling for the colts, just cause someone from my high school played for them, but would have turned it off except for having watched the end of the Cowboys/Giants game.

The ref called a tight game, but I also remember that they said he had been a ref longer than any other current ref in the NFL

perripken · 10-07-2003, 06:04 AM

Even though I think the Colts deserved to win that game, and the Bucs gave it away, to let a game be decided by a stupid penalty like that is a travesty. That rule should be defined better. I can see if a player uses another player to vault up to block the kick, but if a player just lands on another player, whats the big friggin deal? That rule sucks, and shame on the refs for calling it!

The_Dude · 10-07-2003, 06:30 AM

and remember when the ref called a ruling on the field back after seeing the replay on the jumbotron?

Dragon_Imp · 10-07-2003, 06:32 AM

Omg that was the worst call ever i was so mad when they called that the bucs were killing the colts and let them come back and win and this is from what is suppose to be the best defense in the NFL the bucs are just not playing their game even at the beginning their 2nd touchdown was crap and the most luck i have ever seen i dont see how they lost to such a sorry team as the colts the bucs deserved to win or at least get the ball back after the colts missed that fieldgoal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lions20 · 10-07-2003, 06:41 AM

Im not really a Colts fan but I hate the Bucs and I was so happy to see that final score.

quest1mark · 10-07-2003, 06:47 AM

that has got to be the best football game i have ever seen. both defenses played excellent. it was just the fact that both d's got tired at the end. and the best team won.

im not a fan of conservative ball (i.e. running the ball to wind the clock) anything can happen on any given sunday. i say...run the SCORE!!!!!!!!

BonesCPA · 10-07-2003, 07:01 AM

That was probably the best game...that I missed the most important part of. I tuned away after Barber's interception and literally tuned back in on the 52 yard pass to the five before the last touchdown. I was like the half of the stadium that left after that touchdown. I did watch the whole OT though.

At first I thought the penalty in OT was bs, but then Michaels read the rule (paraphrased):"...if a defensive players starts beyond one yard behind the line of scrimmage, jumps into the air to block the kick, and lands on a player, it is considered 'leaping' and an unsportsmanlike play." After all that, he doinks it on the winning kick anyway. What a game - from what I saw.

bananaman · 10-07-2003, 07:45 AM

Complain about the rule, don't complain about the call, it was a great call, and I'm glad the Ref had the balls to make the correct call. Personally I think its a great rule for safety and fairness reasons, if a guy can just run up to the line jump up and land on people he has the potential of really hurting someone, not to mention the benefit of not having to jump straight up he has a much greater chance of blocking the kick.

PS the tuck rule has not been revised.

perripken · 10-07-2003, 09:10 AM

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Originally posted by bananaman
Complain about the rule, don't complain about the call, it was a great call, and I'm glad the Ref had the balls to make the correct call. Personally I think its a great rule for safety and fairness reasons, if a guy can just run up to the line jump up and land on people he has the potential of really hurting someone, not to mention the benefit of not having to jump straight up he has a much greater chance of blocking the kick.

PS the tuck rule has not been revised.

I did complain about the rule, not the call. It was called correctly, but I don't think this is what they meant by this rule. Once again, I can see if someone vaults off another player to block it. As for getting hurt by someone landing on you, this is football not friggin tiddlywinks. That's why they wear equipment. Players get landed on throughout the course of the game. If a player has enough athleticism to jump high enough to block a kick and lands on a player on the way down, he should be penalized for that?
C'MON!

johnsmith · 10-07-2003, 09:13 AM

The bottom line in this case is that the Bucs had 3 different 21 point leads in this game, one with 4 minutes to play, so it should never have been able to come down to one bad call losing the game for them. Their implosion in the 4th quarter is what lost this game for them. They should be embarrassed.
Also, the hitting the punter call where Tupa hopped over to Rhodes and then fell over him was a much worse call. At least that final call was a literal interpretation of the rule. Tupa ran into Rhodes, not the other way around.

MontanaXVI · 10-07-2003, 01:22 PM

im not here to argue or fight or bitch about it, but the funny odd rules that get called correctly may seem a bit of BS at first but just think about everytime you see a blatant pass interference or a pass that bounces off the turf called a completion and think how the refs mess that up, shouldnt we be happy they got one right for once

Mr. Spacemonkey · 10-07-2003, 03:41 PM

I actually saw a lot of this game and i was rooting for the colts to win because of my hatred for the bucs. I can't believe the comeback the colts made, it was just insane. About the call at the end of the game, i thought it was really funny to see the Bucs lose that way. I've always had this hatred for the Bucs and i can't really explain it.

Minx · 10-07-2003, 03:49 PM

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Originally posted by Spartak
Yeh, but then Al Michaels busted out the rulebook and it clearly said (so he claimed) that if a player jumps up to block a field goal, and touches any player as he comes down its unsportsmanlike conduct.

Best MNF game I've ever seen, imo. That comeback in the last four mins was jaw dropping.

I thought that a penalty like that was only called as an unsportsmanlike if a player purposely vaults himself off another player in order to get the height to block......the way I saw it, he wasn't doing that but it was only his own forward momentum that made him bump his own player on the way down after the successful block. I don't think he launched himself and I personally think it was just a bad call.
Now I think it is awful that TB could blow a 21 point lead with under five minutes left in the game but I also do not believe that the Colts and hero de jour Manning deserved to win that game. They were dominated in the first half completely.
And......if anyone watched the entire game they would have seen that the field goal at the end could have gone either way very very easily. I would have rather seen TB get the shot at the one from 62 yards earlier in the game!

Just my two cents....don't flame me - I'm just a girl! ha ha ha

ironchef82 · 10-07-2003, 04:03 PM

Wasn't even paying attention to the game... saw that it was 35-14, so I figured Bucs had the easy victory.

Then I hear my housemate screaming at the TV when the Colts are about to score the TD to tie it up. Then I started to watch and I'm glad the Colts won in that case... I hate to see huge comebacks like that go to waste.

People are making a huge deal about the call on Simeon Rice at the end. Apparently the same call was made at the end of the giants/redskins game a few weeks ago but it was moot since the FG was good anyway. I think it's worse that the Colts guy got called for running into the kicker... can anyone say dive?

Oh, and one last thing... Manning and Harrison have been complete STUDS for my fantasy team lately.

ledhead · 10-07-2003, 07:06 PM

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if a guy can just run up to the line jump up and land on people he has the potential of really hurting someone,

i think that is the point of the rule, but is was just badly written.

hucklebuck74 · 10-07-2003, 07:58 PM

I agree that the Bucs deserved the loss. I always like seeing a team try to run the clok out when they have the lead only to have it bite them in the ass when the other team comes back.

MikeyChalupa · 10-08-2003, 04:39 AM

I quote ESPN.com's Tuesday Morning Quarterback:

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TMQ agrees that the leaping call against City of Tampa, giving the Colts another field-goal try after a miss in overtime, was ticky-tacky at best. The boys should decide the outcome, not the officials. It was well after midnight, and you could tell the officials just wanted to go home. Handing Indianapolis another free shot, in hopes of calling it a night, made the zebras look bad.

But, Tampa faithful, get serious. You've got a 21-point lead with less than four minutes left, in your house, and the league's top defense. If you can't hold that lead, do not coming cryin' about no refs.

And bear in mind the two personal fouls committed by Tampa players in the final three minutes of regulation. Offensive tackle Kenyatta Walker childishly went after a Colt after the whistle; defensive tackle Warren Sapp carelessly roughed Manning after a pass was away. Both these penalties stopped the clock, preserving precious seconds for the Colts' comeback; and both had huge impacts on field position, one forcing a Tampa punt, the other moving the Colts out of a hole in their own territory when it looked like they were beaten.

The Bucs, especially Sapp, have done a lot of dancing, taunting and pointing at themselves since the start of the season. Last night, the football gods exacted vengeance. If you commit stupid personal fouls with the game on the line, do not coming cryin' about no refs.

-Mikey

bobw · 10-08-2003, 07:24 PM

missed it... how many years do you think we have to wait until it hits ESPN Classic?

grayman · 10-08-2003, 09:20 PM

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Originally posted by bobw
missed it... how many years do you think we have to wait until it hits ESPN Classic?

It will be on there by the end of this year.

cas305 · 10-09-2003, 01:55 PM

I have read alot of complaints about bad calls but nobody has brought up the call on the second onside kick where the colts clearly had the ball and they gave it to the bucs. In retrospect it didn't matter because the colts got the ball back and still scored. But when 3 colt players fall on a ball the play is over yet they let a bucs player jump on top and then strip the ball and run out with it and call it bucs ball??? That one blew me away! It was very clear the colts should of had it.

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Originally posted by Dragon_Imp
i dont see how they lost to such a sorry team as the colts the bucs deserved to win or at least get the ball back after the colts missed that fieldgoal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't know what you consider to be a crappy team, but you must not watch football much if you think the colts this year fall into that category. I hated to see the game end on that note as much as the next person, but I don't think you call a 5-0 team a crappy team. They beat their last 3 opponents 33-7, 23-13, 55-21. And that is with out Edgerrin James. There is no denying that TB has a very good team as well, but don't think you could classify colts as a sorry team!

dragon2fire · 10-10-2003, 11:47 AM

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Originally posted by Minx
I thought that a penalty like that was only called as an unsportsmanlike if a player purposely vaults himself off another player in order to get the height to block......the way I saw it, he wasn't doing that but it was only his own forward momentum that made him bump his own player on the way down after the successful block. I don't think he launched himself and I personally think it was just a bad call.
Now I think it is awful that TB could blow a 21 point lead with under five minutes left in the game but I also do not believe that the Colts and hero de jour Manning deserved to win that game. They were dominated in the first half completely.
And......if anyone watched the entire game they would have seen that the field goal at the end could have gone either way very very easily. I would have rather seen TB get the shot at the one from 62 yards earlier in the game!
Just my two cents....don't flame me - I'm just a girl! ha ha ha

thats under four mins left in the game

and as a die hard clots fan i must say your right the clots did not desevre to win that game

that was not clots football till the end of the game

dragon2fire · 10-10-2003, 11:52 AM

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Originally posted by Dragon_Imp
Omg that was the worst call ever i was so mad when they called that the bucs were killing the colts and let them come back and win and this is from what is suppose to be the best defense in the NFL the bucs are just not playing their game even at the beginning their 2nd touchdown was crap and the most luck i have ever seen i dont see how they lost to such a sorry team as the colts the bucs deserved to win or at least get the ball back after the colts missed that fieldgoal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

poor team like the soon to be super bowl champs clots

i will talk to you in january

cas305 · 10-10-2003, 01:12 PM

I don't know about the clots but I think the colts are looking pretty good this year!

Tirian · 10-10-2003, 11:55 PM

cas305 - I wondered about that kick possesion call as well. I could only see white on top of the ball. Oh well.

PS my comments on NFL games may not carry much weight. see below.

bananaman · 10-11-2003, 07:27 AM

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Originally posted by perripken
I did complain about the rule, not the call. It was called correctly, but I don't think this is what they meant by this rule. Once again, I can see if someone vaults off another player to block it. As for getting hurt by someone landing on you, this is football not friggin tiddlywinks. That's why they wear equipment. Players get landed on throughout the course of the game. If a player has enough athleticism to jump high enough to block a kick and lands on a player on the way down, he should be penalized for that?
C'MON!

I didn't say you did, did you see me say anything about you? No? Then perhaps I wasn't talking to you.

All I have to say about your post is Mike Utley. Paralyzed because someone jumped up and came down on his head. People don't often get landed on a 300 pound lineman who just jumped ten feet in the air, in fact it never happens in the course of a game. If rice was smart enough to follow the rules then this wouldn't have mattered as Jagt missed the kick regardless of what rice did. If he hadn't taken a running start it would have been perfectly legal.

10-06-2003, 09:35 PM	#1 (permalink)
ledhead Crazy Location: So. Cal	colts v bucs alright, did any of you see the ending of that game, all i have to say is .... crazy. when i saw the colts were making a comeback i wanted them to win (i have no preference to either team regularly) but in the overtime it should have been bucs ball after they missed the field goal. the call the ref made was one of the worst calls i have ever seen. even al michaels thought so. if any of you saw this you know what i am talking about. but anyway the colts deserved to win, but not that way.

10-06-2003, 09:38 PM	#2 (permalink)
Spartak Bang bang Location: New Zealand	Yeh, but then Al Michaels busted out the rulebook and it clearly said (so he claimed) that if a player jumps up to block a field goal, and touches any player as he comes down its unsportsmanlike conduct. Best MNF game I've ever seen, imo. That comeback in the last four mins was jaw dropping. __________________ I can read your mind... looking at you... I can read your mind...

10-06-2003, 10:01 PM	#4 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	amazing! tony dungy is the MAN! (a lucky man). i just cant believe that the bucs gave the game away like that! __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

10-07-2003, 06:30 AM	#7 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	and remember when the ref called a ruling on the field back after seeing the replay on the jumbotron? __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

10-07-2003, 06:47 AM	#10 (permalink)
quest1mark Insane	that has got to be the best football game i have ever seen. both defenses played excellent. it was just the fact that both d's got tired at the end. and the best team won. im not a fan of conservative ball (i.e. running the ball to wind the clock) anything can happen on any given sunday. i say...run the SCORE!!!!!!!! __________________ Best told at a place called...the TFP. on a quest...

10-06-2003, 09:49 PM	#3 (permalink)
inkriminator Insane	I've a feeling that is a rule that may be revised like the tuck rule, it just doesn't make sense. It's horrible that such an amazing game had to end with such nitpickery.

10-07-2003, 05:47 AM	#5 (permalink)
dy156 cookie Location: in the backwoods	I was wondering how come Gruden wasn't going apeshit about the clock and then that call until Al Micheals read the rule book. I bet most coaches would have, and the fact that gruden apparantly knows the rules that well - damn, I guess he is obsessed. I thought Dominic Rhodes running into the kicker call was bogus too. I was pulling for the colts, just cause someone from my high school played for them, but would have turned it off except for having watched the end of the Cowboys/Giants game. The ref called a tight game, but I also remember that they said he had been a ref longer than any other current ref in the NFL

10-07-2003, 06:04 AM	#6 (permalink)
perripken Now a registered fossil Location: Home of the shrinking Kodak	Even though I think the Colts deserved to win that game, and the Bucs gave it away, to let a game be decided by a stupid penalty like that is a travesty. That rule should be defined better. I can see if a player uses another player to vault up to block the kick, but if a player just lands on another player, whats the big friggin deal? That rule sucks, and shame on the refs for calling it!

10-07-2003, 06:32 AM	#8 (permalink)
Dragon_Imp Tilted	Omg that was the worst call ever i was so mad when they called that the bucs were killing the colts and let them come back and win and this is from what is suppose to be the best defense in the NFL the bucs are just not playing their game even at the beginning their 2nd touchdown was crap and the most luck i have ever seen i dont see how they lost to such a sorry team as the colts the bucs deserved to win or at least get the ball back after the colts missed that fieldgoal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

10-07-2003, 06:41 AM	#9 (permalink)
lions20 Insane	Im not really a Colts fan but I hate the Bucs and I was so happy to see that final score.

10-07-2003, 07:01 AM	#11 (permalink)
BonesCPA No. It's not done yet. Location: sorta kinda phila	That was probably the best game...that I missed the most important part of. I tuned away after Barber's interception and literally tuned back in on the 52 yard pass to the five before the last touchdown. I was like the half of the stadium that left after that touchdown. I did watch the whole OT though. At first I thought the penalty in OT was bs, but then Michaels read the rule (paraphrased):"...if a defensive players starts beyond one yard behind the line of scrimmage, jumps into the air to block the kick, and lands on a player, it is considered 'leaping' and an unsportsmanlike play." After all that, he doinks it on the winning kick anyway. What a game - from what I saw. __________________ Back into hibernation.

10-07-2003, 07:45 AM	#12 (permalink)
bananaman Upright	Complain about the rule, don't complain about the call, it was a great call, and I'm glad the Ref had the balls to make the correct call. Personally I think its a great rule for safety and fairness reasons, if a guy can just run up to the line jump up and land on people he has the potential of really hurting someone, not to mention the benefit of not having to jump straight up he has a much greater chance of blocking the kick. PS the tuck rule has not been revised.

10-07-2003, 09:13 AM	#14 (permalink)
johnsmith Tilted Location: the Midwest	The bottom line in this case is that the Bucs had 3 different 21 point leads in this game, one with 4 minutes to play, so it should never have been able to come down to one bad call losing the game for them. Their implosion in the 4th quarter is what lost this game for them. They should be embarrassed. Also, the hitting the punter call where Tupa hopped over to Rhodes and then fell over him was a much worse call. At least that final call was a literal interpretation of the rule. Tupa ran into Rhodes, not the other way around.

10-07-2003, 01:22 PM	#15 (permalink)
MontanaXVI Junkie Location: Go A's!!!!	im not here to argue or fight or bitch about it, but the funny odd rules that get called correctly may seem a bit of BS at first but just think about everytime you see a blatant pass interference or a pass that bounces off the turf called a completion and think how the refs mess that up, shouldnt we be happy they got one right for once __________________ Spank you very much

10-07-2003, 03:41 PM	#16 (permalink)
Mr. Spacemonkey Wake up Location: Nowhere special	I actually saw a lot of this game and i was rooting for the colts to win because of my hatred for the bucs. I can't believe the comeback the colts made, it was just insane. About the call at the end of the game, i thought it was really funny to see the Bucs lose that way. I've always had this hatred for the Bucs and i can't really explain it. __________________ "I hope that when the world comes to an end, I can breathe a sigh of relief, because there will be so much to look forward to." -- Donnie Darko

10-07-2003, 04:03 PM	#18 (permalink)
ironchef82 Banned Location: Tucson	Wasn't even paying attention to the game... saw that it was 35-14, so I figured Bucs had the easy victory. Then I hear my housemate screaming at the TV when the Colts are about to score the TD to tie it up. Then I started to watch and I'm glad the Colts won in that case... I hate to see huge comebacks like that go to waste. People are making a huge deal about the call on Simeon Rice at the end. Apparently the same call was made at the end of the giants/redskins game a few weeks ago but it was moot since the FG was good anyway. I think it's worse that the Colts guy got called for running into the kicker... can anyone say dive? Oh, and one last thing... Manning and Harrison have been complete STUDS for my fantasy team lately.

10-07-2003, 07:58 PM	#20 (permalink)
hucklebuck74 Upright Location: Oklahoma	I agree that the Bucs deserved the loss. I always like seeing a team try to run the clok out when they have the lead only to have it bite them in the ass when the other team comes back. __________________ First comes smiles, then lies. Last is gunfire

10-08-2003, 07:24 PM	#22 (permalink)
bobw Psycho Location: somewhere....	missed it... how many years do you think we have to wait until it hits ESPN Classic?

10-10-2003, 01:12 PM	#27 (permalink)
cas305 Insane Location: Indiana	I don't know about the clots but I think the colts are looking pretty good this year!

10-10-2003, 11:55 PM	#28 (permalink)
Tirian Addict Location: Canada	cas305 - I wondered about that kick possesion call as well. I could only see white on top of the ball. Oh well. PS my comments on NFL games may not carry much weight. see below.