MontanaXVI

ANYONE watching this fight had to give it to Oscar. Stupid ass judges he won the first fight also and they gave this one to mosley.

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Hrothgar

True dat. I hope Oscar does what he says and protest this mutherfuckin bullshit decision. He threw more punches, he won more rounds, and he controlled the tempo of the fight. Boxing is such a crooked fuckin sport.

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MontanaXVI

yet another blackeye for the blackeye sport. I usually watch EVERY fight that is on and have been a follower for many years and these half blind judges got to go, how many fights in the last year alone have we watched and been a unanimous decision for one fighter only to see it go to the other one on the cards. Did you see his face when they announced him the winner, I think he shit himself, suprised as all hell he won the fight. I do not know what he can protest but I wish him luck and he has been robbed in all 3 of his losses now.

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maximusveritas

Can't feel too sorry for the guy, he just got $17 million richer. By the way, the AP scored it for Mosley too so its not like it was just some blind/bribed judges.

Hrothgar

I guess you didn't see the fight.
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Round-by-round results

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Round-by-round blow-by-blow of Saturday night's Oscar De La Hoya-Shane Mosley fight with unofficial scoring (De La Hoya 117-111):



ROUND 1
De La Hoya misses two jabs, and Mosley circles to his left. Oscar steps in with good jab to the body. They are circling one another looking for openings. Good triple jab from Oscar though none land. Double jab from Oscar, then a good 1-2 that glances off Shane's head. Oscar throws a pair of double jabs and seems to be trying to fight more like Vernon Forrest than his old style. Nice jab and right to body by Shane, and Oscar lands a right cross clean in return. Tight action thus far. Mosley nails Oscar with a big hook as Oscar comes in and briefly wobbles him. Oscar fires a big hook that partially lands and elicits cheers from the crowd. Mosley tries the jab right to the body combo again and lands a good body shot. They're both being cautious and boxing tightly.

Oscar's round 10-9.

ROUND 2
They trade hooks to open the round, both landing. There's a clinch and both men maul shots inside to little effect. Mosley tries the jab-body combo and Oscar blocks it partially. A good double jab from Oscar moves Shane back. Oscar misses a right lead. They're posing and trying to find openings, leading with stiff jabs. Nice 1-2 from Oscar to the body. Double jab from Oscar once more, and it's effective in backing Mosley up enough to prevent him from countering. They're exclusively in the center of the ring. Nice right to body from Oscar, and he misses a three-punch combination as Mosley counters with a right.

Oscar's round 10-9.

ROUND 3
Big hook from Oscar to open the round. Shane is stalking and seems to look a little confused as to how to attack Oscar. Low left by Mosley gets a warning from Joe Cortez. Nice counter hook by Shane drives Oscar back, and Oscar fires a solid left back as payback. It's heating up. Good jab from Oscar. He's moving after throwing and Mosley is unable to counter as he did in the first fight. Very little action now, as they circle one another, each moving to his left. Mosley is juking and feinting trying to let something go but he's having to reach and isn't landing when he does let go to the head. Mosley lands a good right to the body and Oscar moves away. Double jab from Oscar. Mosley clubs Oscar with a good body shot at round's end.

Oscar's round 10-9.

ROUND 4
Triple jab from Mosley is countered by right from De La Hoya. Big right to body from Shane, and Oscar counters with hard left hook. There's a head butt that draws a stoppage from Cortez; it's ruled accidental, and Oscar is bleeding from his right eye. De La Hoya is moving again and trying to set up his power shots behind the jab. Good body shot from Mosley but Oscar comes back with a hook to Shane's midsection. Shane ducks under a combo from Oscar and Oscar fires a solid 1-2 that lands. They trade in close and Oscar lands a pair of vicious hooks. Mosley digs back to Oscar's ribs. De La Hoya slips a leaping hook from Shane and counters with a jab. Oscar misses a 1-2 but Mosley ducks under and does not counter. Oscar blocks a hook from Shane. Shane is not landing many punches and Oscar is doing just a little more to take another round.

Oscar's round 10-9

ROUND 5
Borderline left to body from Oscar to open the round. Good right from Oscar, and Mosley counters with a hard shot as they trade heavy bombs. Mosley misses a 1-2 and Oscar pushes him away. Nice right to body from Shane. Oscar leads with the hook and Shane blocks it. Not much action this round as Oscar is boxing and refuses to trade. Nice hook from Shane. De La Hoya is not jabbing as much but seems to be leading with power shots more often. Nice 1-2 to the ribs from Oscar and Mosley slams a hook to Oscar's head. Oscar seems to be willing to trade. The 10-second warning! They are trading hard blows.

Mosley's round 10-9.

ROUND 6
Mosley fires a big hook cross that Oscar partially blocks but it's his best offensive attempt so far. Big hook to body from Oscar. Oscar is letting Shane come forward and making him solve the distance between them. Mosley is juking, feinting and trying to bait Oscar into something but Oscar won't bite; instead he smacks a left hook home to the midsection that lands with a resounding thump. Cortez breaks the action to re-tape Oscar's glove. Nice hook once more to body by Oscar, who double jabs and then lands a right hand counter at round's end.

Oscar's round 10-9.

ROUND 7
They trade jabs, but Oscar moves away refusing to exchange. Big hook from Oscar. Mosley misses an overhand right and Oscar ducks under another cross. They tie up on the ropes and Oscar moves to the center of the ring and resumes boxing. Oscar ties Shane up twice to smother attacks. Mosley is not getting off, and Oscar seems to be taking over the fight when they are at long range. Nice combination from Shane, and Oscar fires back. It's the best exchange of the round. Sharp right lead from Oscar and he fires a combo that misses but Shane is too busy slipping punches to fire back.

Oscar's round 10-9.

ROUND 8
Nice overhand right from Shane but Oscar doesn't budge. Mosley seems confused before the round as Jack Mosley tells him to stay on his toes, and that he's losing the fight. Cortez warns Mosley for roughhousing. They trade jabs that miss. Mosley lands a right to the body and Oscar fires a crisp cross in return a moment later. Mosley seems more aggressive now and willing to take chances. Perhaps he feels the fight slipping away from him. Shane lands a stiff jab and Oscar fires a right back.

Oscar's round 10-9.

ROUND 9
Big hook from Oscar countering a missed hook from Shane. Mosley lands a good shot and Oscar lands a big hook in return. Five good body shots from Oscar, and Mosley lands a good hook. Oscar is nailed with a big right hand and may have been hurt. Mosley hits him with another right to the body. Oscar seems a little dazed. Another hook from Mosley. Huge hook from Mosley and Oscar lands a monster hook to the body at the same time. It's the best round so far! Shane misses a sweeping left hook. Good double right from Shane to the body and head, and Oscar is slowing down a little. They trade savage body shots at the end of the round. Mosley's best round so far.

Mosley's round 10-9.

ROUND 10
They trade hooks, Mosley to the body and Oscar to the head, both landing hard. Neither man moves back, though, or seems rocked. Big hook from Shane, and Oscar moves back. Big right to body from Shane, and Oscar misses a left in return. Big hook from Oscar after Mosley lands another right to the body. Mosley is moving now and looks like his old self. Shane blocks a big hook and fires back, but Oscar nails him hard with his best combo in the last couple rounds.

Oscar's round 10-9.

ROUND 11
Good right from Shane and Oscar is tentative. Mosley lands another hard right that glances off Oscar as De La Hoya ducks in. Shane seems to have just a little more energy and snap in his punches at this point. They clinch twice with little action in close. Very little action until Mosley lands a monster hook, and Oscar fires back with a vicious 1-2! Shane bulls him into the ropes with a minute left. Shane comes forward with fast hands but can't land. Mosley's mouthpiece comes flying out after a huge left uppercut. Twenty seconds left in the round. Mosley fires a big 1-2 that Oscar slips, but the brawl is on.

Oscar's round 10-9.

ROUND 12
It's the final round! Mosley opens up with a 1-2 that just misses and Oscar fires a flurry back that backs him up. They aren't landing flush but they back Shane up. Mosley lands a good right, and then another massive right that backs Oscar up. Oscar seems hurt. Mosley has a chance here to pull it out. Shane lands a pair of big body shots and Mosley comes forward, desperate to close the show. Big right from Oscar and a solid left. Mosley comes forward, unfazed. A minute to go. Mosley bangs Oscar with a pair of body shots as they clinch. Oscar fires of a triple jab and Mosley doesn't counter, dipping to the side. They trade hard rights. A good 1-2 from Oscar. Twenty seconds left. They flurry and both miss and the final bell rings, both men giving an embrace at the conclusion of the bout.

Mosley's round 10-9.

Information from maxboxing.com was used in this report.

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CrazyIntent

Wow, if it's on ESPN.com it must be true. Seriously, I did think De La Hoya won, but the scoring from ESPN is way off. Mosely definitely won round 3 and most of the rounds after 8. Golden Boy can now resume his singing career earlier I suppose.

BTW, did anyone see George Foreman and that old ring interviewer dude going at it at the end of the telecast. Funny stuff...George would go on the offensive against him and always smile at the camera at the end.

Kurant

Oscar has NOT been robbed in all 3 of his loses. He LOST the Trinidad fight because he ran for 5 of the last 6 rounds. You can't win a fight running in fucking circles. I hate it when people say he got robbed, he robbed himself by being a pussy. Go search for Max Kellerman's round by round break down of this fight. Oscar lost at least 6 rounds, and Max Kellerman said possibly as many as 8. Including the last 4 maybe 5.

Suga Shane beat him the first fight, if you want to deny that, you need to contact your local eyeglass store, or make sure you were infact watching that fight. He lost, plain and simple. It's the only time in his career he's without a doubt been beaten.

This fight however, he won. He got fucked. I hope he protests, and wins. I hate De La Hoya, but I absolutley had bad descisions, and this was one of the worst. I'm about ready to give up on boxing, it's horrible.

Hrothgar

[QUOTE]Originally posted by CrazyIntent
[B]Wow, if it's on ESPN.com it must be true. Seriously, I did think De La Hoya won, but the scoring from ESPN is way off. Mosely definitely won round 3 and most of the rounds after 8. Golden Boy can now resume his singing career earlier I suppose.

I wasn't judging the decision based on what ESPN wrote OK?
I saw the fight and I was not the only one surprised by this result. I gave the round by round info for those folks not able to see it OK?

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MontanaXVI

Maybe it is you my friend who needs to visit an eyeglass store, that "running like a pussy" is what I would call RING GENERALSHIP, he thought he had a big enough lead for whatever reason and did not feel like he had to continue an out and out assault the last XX rounds of the fight, he has said this before. Getting beat down and not fighting back would be running, but avoiding someones blows in a defensive manner and controlling the fight without an offrensive is what you are supposed to be doing in a fight. On the first Mosley fight go check results I am pretty sure youll find it was not a clean cut Mosley victory as you make it out to be. We do both agree however, that he dd win this fight, which I will also agree was close but he still won nontheless.

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docbungle

There should be no question that Shane won the first fight. If you watched the fight, it was obvious: Shane won. This fight, however, DeLaHoya should have one. He outhustled Shane for almost the entire fight. Shane didn't even throw any punches.

DeLaHoya got rocked a few times, but it did not have any effect on him. He rocked Shane a few times, too. Horrible decision, imo.

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Kurant

There is no question,Shane won the first fight, period. He won the last 5 rounds for christ sake, dominated him for the last 5 rounds. No question. There is not even a debate about the last 5 rounds in the first fight.

I got to reading some articles about this fight, and as much as I want it to sound like a "conspiracy" or somthing, all three judges had it the same score. It wasen't some silly ass split descision at 115-113, 115-113 and some jackass has a 117-111 card. They all 3 had the same score, and watched the same thing apparently.

I still think he got screwed. Even calling it a draw was fine with me, overall, it was a pretty tactical defensive fight.

crewsor

I watched. I was stunned when they announced Mosley the winner. Thats the problem with boxing, unless someone is counted out theres no telling who will be declared the winner. Makes me wonder what the judges were doing while they were supposed to be scoring the fight.

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gov135

Hold up people. Max Kellerman and Brian Kelley were both ringside and both scored the fight for Mosley. Both said repeatedly, if you watched it on television, you will think Oscar won it. Oscar landed more, but Mosley landed better.

And all of the judges agreed on the scorecards.

Remember two things before you start crying conspiracy:
1. Mosley landed the harder, cleaner shots. This is not easy (or impossible) to see on television, but is much easier to see in person.
2. Fights are NOT scored on the basis of the whole fight, but on a round by round basis. All judges agreed Mosley took more rounds than De La Hoya.

This is boxing. If you as a fighter cannot force a decision within twelve rounds you leave it to the judges. This is nothing new.

Montana, if you think a great match-up like this constitutes a black eye on the sport of boxing, I'd hate to hear what you think about lesser bouts. This was a good fight (I must admit I watched the ESPNNews round-by-round coverage during the fight - not the fight itself - they had it for Mosley also) between two good fighters. This is a dream matchup for boxing and true boxing fans.

gov135

From maxboxing:
"HBO's broadcast team thought De La Hoya deserved the victory. The ringside media was evenly split on thier opinion of who won tonight's mega rematch that soldout the MGM Grand's Garden Arena."

Pehaps some of the criticism of the fight ourcome is biased by what the HBO announcers had to say? I'm just guessing here.

If the ringside media (most of whom are experts themselves) was split, then it was just a good, even fight. Noone was robbed. The media watched the fight ringside, same as the judges - and if they felt Mosley fought just as well as De La Hoya than I'm sure he did.

Again, if neither fighter could finish it in twelve rounds, then they know that the outcome is determined by the judges. Don't put it in the hands of the judges, and they'll be no "being robbed."

MontanaXVI

I loved the fight it was great, however, I just feel Oscar won.

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I don't know. I don't think they got this one right, Gov.

I honestly cannot see how Mosely won more rounds, I really can't. This is how Oscar lost to Trinidad, but you can make a case he lost the last 6 out of 7 rounds in that fight. This one however, I don't think he lost 2 more rounds then Mosley.

And I hate De La Hoya, I can't stand his fighting, I love to watch him lose. But he didn't lose.

docbungle

For all the people screaming "conspiracy" here, slow down. There is no conspiracy here. This was a good fight. I feel it should have went to Oscar, but when a fight is this close, you just never know. This was not a bad decision when compared to an actual, REAL bad decision like, say, the first Lewis Holyfield fight.

I taped the fight and will watch it again. Everyone will always have differing opinions on who won when two fighters are so evenly matched.

I did feel that Oscar was tiring down the stretch (wich suprised me) and that Shane was not. The reason I thought Oscar won was that Shane just took too damn long to get started. He threw one good punch in round one, and then just stopped throwing punches.

I think Shane COULD have won dramatically if he had just stepped up a little and not given Oscar so much respect. He still seems timid since he was dropped by Forrest. And Mosley has never been known as a timid fighter.

Hopefully this win will reinstall his confidence, and he will begin to kick much ass in the division.

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gov135

Very well said. Remember when you watched it also, that those at the fight feel that Mosley hit De La Hoya much harder (and cleaner) and won scoring categories like "ring generalship."

crewsor

There were people at the fight, including someone with the last name of Foreman and with more than a little knowledge of the sport, who also felt De La Hoya was robbed. Watching on tv and not seeing it live doen't explain the people ringside who saw it as a one sided De La Hoya victory.

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