cheesemoney

OK. Off the bat, I'm an A's fan. They own your high paid favorite team, and have a 50 mill payroll. Its ridiculous, but they beat the Yanks head to head, and could possibly go all the way even with Mulder on the dl indefinitely. But here's my case why Tim Hudson is SO much better than Halladay, and even Loiza, and, due to the DL, Pedro.

Here's Hudson's line for 2003.
G GS CG IP H R ER HR BB SO W L Sv P/GS WHIP BAA ERA

28 28 3 202.1 154 65 54 12 50 129 13 4 0 103.2 1.01 .210 2.40

He has 4 or 5 quality starts more than Halladay.
(a quality start is defined as going over 6 innings with under 3 runs allowed).

His era is a FULL POINT below Roy's.

The only reason Halladay is even being considered for this award is because his team averages OVER 6 runs of support per game for him.

By contrast, Hudson's team averages well under 4 runs per game for him

LAST... in his career, when the Oakland A's get him 4 runs or more, tim hudson's record is AN UNBELIEVABLE 62 - 2.

THATS RIGHT.
62-2.

Give the dude the cy young. He is the best pitcher in the league this year.

For Christ-sake, the guy has over 10 games where he left up and then were blown, 8 or so wins became no decisions...

AND HE DID NOT EVEN MAKE THE FREAKING ALL STAR TEAM!

Yeah, I'm pissed.

And yes, Pedro does rule, but he missed too much this year.
Hudson, also, has the 2nd most innings in the AL.

That said, who's your pick? Loiza? Pedro? or (ick...) halladay?
Cheese

MikeyChalupa

I agree, he's your Cy Young winner.

As for the A's, talk to me after they win a playoff series.

-Mikey

lions20

He seems to be the best in the AL at least

absorbentishe

In the AL, there is none better this year. He has also been very consistent through his career, and is getting much better. I'd expect him to be the dominate pitcher of the AL for years to come.

AL9045

I see Loaiza winning. Why? Because he came out of nowhere, no one expected anything out of him, and BOOM, he helped the White Sox a while bunch.

cheesemoney

you wanna talk about underrated?
Hudson did not EVEN make the all star game.
And he WAS the A's best pitcher then. For some reason Keith Foulke, who is also maybe the best reliever in the AL this year, only blows opportunities when hudson is pitching.

Cheese

AL9045

Hudson isn't underrated, making the All-Star game doesn't mean that much, there were lots of good players who didn't make it this year.

Lol, speak of the devil, they have a Cy-Young Preview, the 2 main names? Hudson and Loaiza, and they also said to blame Foulke if Hudson doesn't win.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/column...jim&id=1603903

I just think Loaiza has it down, he was in the Minors and stuff, Hudson is already an established name, he has expectations of doing good every year.

cheesemoney

Only one problem with that. Tim Hudson is a better pitcher than Loiza.

That will be proven by the end of the year.

The guy can throw a complete game in under 100 pitches.

Like I said. When his team gives him 4 runs, his record in MLB is 62-2.

Cheese

AL9045

I'm still sticking with my guns. .

We'll see.

goddfather40

I agree Hudson is the winner at this point. In the NL, it should be Gagne by a hair over Smoltz, because of his utter domination of opponents this year and 43 out of 43 save chances.

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Blu2e354

I've been saying the thing about hudson to my friends but they all think loiaza is going to win

cheesemoney

Gagne is having an awesome year.

I still don't think you can give a cy young award to a dude that has pitched about 43 innings, when starters go over 200 innings.

Thats what the Fireman's award is for, and I really hope that they acknowledge that this year, and don't give it to a reliever.

That said, Gagne should win that Rolaids relief award.

Also, anyone ever heard of Rod Beck, with the padres?

He's perfect on the season, with a 1.61 era. How come I never see him on TV?

He's a pimp with an 80 mph fastball.

Cheese

AL9045

It's cause Beck's on the Padres. -_-.

And people usually associate Hoffman with the Padres.

HeAtHeN

Best in the AL... that'll be Doc Haliday then.

No contest really.

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eaglek96

I think its Loiza or Halladay. Halladay for his streak during the season, and Loiza because he came out of nowhere. If Clemens could win one a couple years ago with a 3.5+ ERA, anything can happen.

Kurant

I'd be mindful if Clemens too, he got 300 this year, it's possibly his last year in the MLB (Thank god). With Bud Selig in office, who the hell knows, Griffey could win the AL Cy Young award, somehow with that idiot in office.

cheesemoney

Ok. I think that what is RIGHT would be giving Tim Hudson the cy young this year. He is clearly the most dominant pitcher this year. More dominant than Pedro. More dominant than Loiza. When Time Hudson starts, I believe that the A's are 24 and 5 or something at this point.

He deserves to beat loiza because, not only is he the best pitcher this year, but he has been probably the second most dominant pitcher in the AL (behind Pedro) for the last 4 years. In fact, though wins are hugely misleading (see Halladay's record with his blown up era), Tim hudson is the winningist pitcher in the league. In fact, Tim Hudson has the BEST WINNING PERCENTAGE EVER among pitchers with 50+ wins. Like I said, that can be misleading. What is not misleading is that Tim Hudson is a better pitcher than Halladay, slightly better than Loiza this year (though consistently better over time), and he has yet to get a cy young. His record of absolute dominance should reward him with the trophy. Loiza is a great story, coming from the minors as a nobody, but damn, give it to the man that destroys every team he faces EVERY year yet always seems to be overshadowed by Mulder and Zito. Mulder and Zito know who the best pitcher in the AL is. I just hope the rest of the league figures it out.
Hudson is about the only pitcher in the majors that can throw a complete game in 90 pitches.

He reminds me of greg maddux in his prime, but with a wicked splitter.

My 2 cents.

And no, Clemens is NOT even going to be considered for the cy young this year.
You were joking, right?

Cheese

cheesemoney

G GS IP H R ER BB SO W L Sv ERA
1 T. Hudson, Oak 29 29 210.1 160 67 56 51 136 14 4 0 0 2.40
2 E. Loaiza, CWS 27 27 190.2 162 54 52 42 166 18 6 0 0 2.45
3 P. Martinez, Bos 24 24 153.2 128 49 43 41 169 10 4 0 0 2.52
4 M. Mulder, Oak 26 26 186.2 180 66 65 40 128 15 9 0 0 3.13
5 M. Mussina, NYY 26 26 184.1 157 69 66 32 167 15 7 0 0 3.22
6 B. Zito, Oak 29 29 192.0 159 82 71 74 114 11 11 0 0 3.33
7 D. May, KC 29 26 174.2 164 72 69 44 96 8 6 0 0 3.56
8 J. Moyer, Sea 27 27 178.0 166 74 71 56 110 17 6 0 0 3.59
9 C. Sabathia, Cle 26 26 171.0 165 75 69 58 118 12 8 0 0 3.63
10 R. Halladay, Tor 30 30 215.0 222 102 88 27 162 17 6 0 0 3.68
Hudson has 3 CG's. Loiza has 1. Hudson has 1 more quality start than loiza.

Wow, after looking at those stats its really close. Obviously, Halladay has to be written off at this point. His era's just way to high. Since it is gonna be between Hudson and Loiza, I guess we'll just have to see how the 2 hang in there for the rest of the season. Mulder has a PHENOMINAL 9 Complete games, but his season ending freak hip fracture has killed his chances.

Go A's.
Cheese

Begora21

Gotta give my vote to Hudson also ... just can't see Loaiza getting it

soxsfans

Flipped by the YES broadcase today, those dimwits actually said that you have to put Pettite in the running because of his 17 wins. They forgot all about his 4+ ERA. Dopes.

cheesemoney

EAST COAST BIAS.

Pettite... what a joke... he'd be the 4th man on the A's.
He is a good pitcher, but how can they mention his name and cy young award in the same sentence.

[edit]err.... maybe 5th. Harden has looked pretty good so far.

Cheese