djtestudo

Yes, I know we aren't even to the new year yet, but the winter meetings are going on right now and already moves are being made that are having a major impact on this coming baseball season.

The Yankees, Diamondbacks and Tigers have agreed on a three-way deal centered around Curtis Granderson.

The Tigers will trade Granderson to the Yankees and Edwin Jackson to the Diamondbacks. The Yankees will send Phil Coke and Austin Jackson to Detroit and Ian Kennedy to Arizona. The Diamondbacks will send Max Scherzer and Daniel Schlereth to the Tigers.

So the Tigers cut a good bit of payroll while gaining some nice prospects. Jackson was the Yankees top prospect last year and is likely headed for Granderson's spot in center field this season. Scherzer had 174 strikeouts in 170 innings last season; he and Verlander are going to be scary. Plus, Coke and Schlereth are nice young arms.

The Yankees replace Damon at the top of their lineup, and the Cabrera-Gardner combo in center field, and at a comparably cheap rate ($25.75 million over the next three years including the $2 million buyout of his 2010 $13 million option).

The Diamondbacks appear to have been pretty well fleeced. Edwin Jackson struggled mightily in the second half last season, and since his overall numbers were pretty good he's going to get a nice raise in arbitration. Kennedy was a guy who the Yankees wouldn't give up for Johan Santana, but is coming off Tommy John surgery.

Lots of rumors as well: Milton Bradley, Kevin Millwood, Dan Uggla. The Nationals already went full-retard and gave Ivan Rodriguez two years and $6 million, along with taking Brian Bruney off the Yankees' hands for that oft-traded man himself, Player to be Named.

This is the kind of thing I love to watch.

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Glory's Sun

I lauged my ass off when I saw the nats deals. Granderson might be ok in NY.. but I'm only concered with what Theo is doing at these meetings.

djtestudo

The Orioles are receiving Kevin Millwood and cash (~$3 million) from the Rangers for Chris Ray.

The Orioles were looking for a veteran pitcher, but didn't want to have to overpay in years and money for one when the team believes they will be in a much better situation next season and beyond. Millwood had a solid year last year, is only signed for another year and costs $9 million and an arm a year off Tommy John surgery. Chris Ray has been one of my favorite Orioles, but he hasn't yet recovered fully from his injury production-wise and was rumored to be a nontender candidate. I wish him the best, and hope that Millwood can bring something to the young pitching the Orioles are developing.

Also, the Astros trade for Matt Lindstrom and the Royals make a Nationals-esque offer of two years for Jason Kendall.

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Theo says he's taking his time, but red sox nation wants something to happen now. We don't want another Tex situation.

Apparently, he inquired about Granderson, but the Tigers wanted either Buckholtz or Ellsbury in return so he said no thanks.

Theo needs to secure Jason Bay or Matt Holliday, and then grab a pitcher. I think a certain pitcher moving from Toronto to Boston would work out well

I haven't heard much about Lackey lately, has he signed somewhre? He would fit in well at Boston too.

Theo should be looking at the here and now because while the farm system has great prospects, the really good prospects are at least two years out from major league debuts. Mike Lowell can be moved (with salary support) as well a Jed Lowrie. Lowrie has injury issues and securing Scutaro will hopefully seal the revolving door for a couple years. Papelbon is elligible for arbitration, so they'll end up giving him 4-5 at 10 per.. but word on the street is that Boston is willing to go from 120 million to around 150 million in payroll.

Theo, please get us an outfielder, a starting pitcher, and someone who can replace Papi if he has another sub-par season.

djtestudo

Lowell is going to Texas for Max Ramirez, though Boston is basically eating all of Lowell's salary. I'm stunned they got anything for him even with the money.

And just between you, me and Theo, based on the Sox recent history with shortstops and the fact that you signed Marco frickin' Scuturo, I would stash Lowrie somewhere safe. You're going to need him

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pan6467

The Indians suck!!!!!!!!!!!!! that is all.

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Well I knew Boston would have to eat most of the $12 Million of Lowell's salary to move him, and we love Lowell, it's just time for him to move on. We can put Youk at 3rd. I just don't understand why Theo is going after a catcher, unless he's planning on trying to lure someone who needs a catcher.

I know Scuturo isn't the best out there, but he's able to fill in the lead off role if Ellsbury is out and Lowrie for such a young age just can't seem to stay healthy at all. I'll admit, I don't know much about Scuturo's injury history.. I just hope he plugs the hole.

pan6467

You have no catcher that's why. Varitek is a part time catcher at best and if you are lucky plus, if the Red Sox Nation plans to keep Martinez healthy and productive you pretty much have to limit his time at catcher, he's a first baseman these days, maybe at most play him at catcher 25%, but that will whittle away productivity in years to come. At catcher, you'll have a good to very strong Martinez for maybe a year, a year and a half at most, then he's done and if you do sign him long term as rumored it'll be at a salary no one will want to eat. At first base, you have a very good to Manny like productive Martinez for 5 years maybe more.

Moving Lowell to make first open for Martinez makes sense. The only true holes you have then are at catcher and shortstop.

Scutaro is a decent pick up but at 34 and his range dropping fast you have to ask is he just a gap stop at the position. Lowrie isn't the answer at short either, he's damaged goods, once a team shows that they have lost confidence in a player... his time there goes downhill. Physically he may eventually be healthy enough to play everyday, mentally... as long as he is in Boston I wouldn't bank on it.

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I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"

kutulu

As a DBacks fan I'm on the fence. Dealing Scherzer means the DBacks either viewed him as an injury risk, a reliever, or both. There is no doubt the kid has great stuff but he throws way too many pitches and lacks a third pitch. It is tough for him to make it out of the 5th inning each time out. He also has a very violent throwing motion with a head jerk. He's young and may get the third pitch but that could take a few years to develop.

For the next two years, Edwin Jackson is the better pitcher. He benefits by switching leagues where Scherzer takes quite a hit by moving to the AL.

Schlereth is a good reliever, but he's a reliever. Ian Kennedy looks good on paper. He could be their 4th or 5th starter next season.

Glory's Sun

Apparently, the Mets are in the bidding for Jason Bay.

Glory's Sun

Rangers still deciding on Lowell..

Boston is considering making a play for Beltre. It's an upgrade in defense. Bay was offered 4 years 60 million by the Mets. Same offer he rejected from Boston. He's either waiting on the Yankees to make a huge offer, or he wants more an added year from Boston.

Theo is still looking at Matt Holliday.. don't really know if I want him in Boston though. They're also looking at Nick Johnson and Adam LaRoche. Nick Johnson would give nice flexibility on the corners..

jaymoney

Yankees don't need or want jason bay yankees are pretty much set at position players they most likly going to go after a number 3 pitcher to put between andy and burnett maybe a lackey and they most def going to keep a eye on doc make sure that broken down nation don't make a run at him

djtestudo

They don't have a left fielder or DH at the moment. A Cabrera/Gardner platoon might have been serviceable in center field, but not in left.

Even the Yankees aren't going to give a giant contract to a guy who would be their number-three starter.

Um...would you mind re-writing this last part?

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Jay.. do you know your team at all?? You think they'd rather have Damon over Bay?? Really? Damon may be ok on the bases, but besides the fact that 90 year old grandmothers can throw better than him and his range in the field has decreased to high school level, there's just no way the skanks would feel like offering Damon the 4 years at $13mil/per when they can offer a younger Bay 5/65-70per and be better off. There's no way they pay the money that Lackey wants to sit at #3 or 4.

Anyway, I don't care about what the skanks do.. I just want to know what the fuck Theo is doing. I used to think this kid was smart, but now he reeks of desperation with deals he's made lately. Add to that he's been beaten by a mere $5 million by another team and reports are that Bay won't be back to Boston, and I just don't know what to think of him. He could step to $70mil/5 years and lock him up and trade him after 4 years if he only wants a 4 year contract. Although, I have a feeling, that if Bay had liked Boston, he would have already signed. There is just something he doesn't like.. have fun in Seattle losing day in and day out.

Holliday is younger than Bay.. why not go ahead and offer him something?? Offer Lackey something while you're at it. The Rangers trade looks like it will be done this week sometime, but Boston needs more than that. They need a big bat and another starting pitcher. We have no idea how Dice-K or Buckholtz are going to perform for a whole season. If Beckett has injuries again, Boston is sunk.

I'm all for keeping the team young and fresh and using the farm talent, but damn, the division has become one where you have to have some good experience and some real pop to compete. Boston is seriously lacking in power.

djtestudo

Oh, I get it now! Doc HALLIDAY. Don't know why that didn't register at first

Never mind, Jay

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canuckguy

As a Jays fan I am gutted to see that Halladay is leaving. I appreciate how he has pitched and will remain a fan of his wherever he goes but if he ends up in bos/ny then a little piece of me inside will die. but i will still hope he wins a ring....until we get finished rebuilding then game on! still great player....

I have no idea why the Yankees are wasting there time with Damon, he is brutal in the field and his bat is only getting worse. I would go after bay over holliday, lets face it he was brutal in the AL, at least go bay he is proved he can hit AL pitching.

jaymoney

All you had to do was ask theo went and got you lackey boston officially has the best 1 thru 4 pitching rotation

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The dh is going to be rotated between arod posada jeter damon
By aquiring granderson which is a upgrade over gardner and cabrera so if you resign damon you have five outfielders now why will you go after bay. Don't get me wrong bay will be a upgrade at left but then you be lookiing for playiing time for gardner damon and cabrera. If you won the world series with what you have why tinker with it. So all the yankees need is to find that # 3 or 4 pitcher cause the chamberlin project was a bust

bazkitcase5

haha, yup - ask and ye shall receive!

now if they can just get Holiday to sign, they will be set

and Halladay goes to the Phillies - looks like they will be in the world series again next year, assuming no crazy injuries

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Well, damn. 5 years $85 million.. not a bad contract at all. I like the way Lackey attacks hitters and really wants to go after people. I just hope he can adjust to Fenway.

They're in talks to secure Mike Cameron, to share time with Jeremy Hermida in left.. I guess that shows that Holliday and Bay are going elsewhere this season. They've made an offer to Chapman (young cuban whom is the hottest foreign player) but I'm not so sure he's a good move.. he has command issues.. and as much as I hate to say it, they appear to be setting up to move Beckett elsewhere next year or the year after..

Ok, pitching taking care of, Theo give us a big bat now.

jaymoney

the halladay deal was a upgrade but cliff lee would have been just as dominant. now if they were able to keep cliff lee and add halladay that would have been more of a bnlockbuster move to me

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all philly did was trade one ace for another. they wont be winning any world series unless hamels gets right

bazkitcase5

agreed, I spoke too soon, before thinking it through

adding Halladay and keeping Lee might have been enough to win the WS, but I'm still not sure there is anybody that can dethrone them from the NL championship just yet (again, assuming no major injuries)

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The phils thought about keeping both, but in the end, they didn't want a $160 million payroll. They have serious issues in the rear rotation that they'll have to address if they're gonna win another series.. just like Boston.

jaymoney

[quote=bazkitcase5;2739589]agreed, I spoke too soon, before thinking it through

adding Halladay and keeping Lee might have been enough to win the WS, but I'm still not sure there is anybody that can dethrone them from the NL championship just yet (again, assuming no major injuries)[/QUOTE


They are definitly the team to beat in the NL. But they have to get hamels back as he was in 2008 and get there bullpin fixed they blew way to many saves in there 2009 run.

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That's the difference between every major league team in baseball and the yanks, we are ready to spend the extra cash to reasure us another notch on the belt. As for boston I think there rotation is set nobody has as much depth in starting pitching as they do. All they need is a big bat in left field and maybe they can get to th second round in the playoff. Off course the yanks will shut them down when they reach it.

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It's always funny how skank fans come out of the woodwork when their team wins the series again and starts spouting this world beater crap.

Anyway, the Cards are set to pay Holliday 8years/16mil per to keep him. Nobody is going to match that.

Bay will probably end up in Seattle. Seattle will have Hernandez, Lee and Bay.. not bad.

jaymoney

Just keeping you redsox fans on ya toes. If and when seattle get bay that al west will be up for graps between the angels and mariners. Only problem is they won't be able to keep both lee and hernandes.

kutulu

And the flaws of the current baseball salary system continue. It is fucking ridiculous that teams can spend two times the average of the rest of the league's payroll.

jaymoney

dont cry, its not noboby fault your teams owner is a cheap ass. in MLB there is a thing called revenue sharing, so if your owner decides to pocket the cash instead of reinvesting it back into the team like other team do (Yankees, redsox, etc) that is soley on them

pan6467

See it's attitudes like that, that are destroying the game. 10 years ago the Jake sold out every game for 5 years and the Indians still truly couldn't compete because NY, Boston and the big markets even in bad years dwarf everyone else in sales.

Mid and small markets can only demand so much a ticket. The big markets can practically name their price because their base is bigger. The advertisers are more apt to advertise where more people will see their name, national broadcasts are more apt to show games where they feel they will get the better ratings. (You always hear almost every year a small market gets close to the playoffs how networks fear ratings will tank.)

Now,you take into consideration, every owner wants to make money and is not going to spend millions upon millions to lose money. Teams are put on very thin lines. When a team like the Cubs was getting ready to file bankruptcy, when the commish, himself a few years ago told us there were several teams that were close to not making payroll, that tells you the money isn't there in some cities. Owners own teams to make money not lose it. Small/Mi market team owners usually cannot justify paying 1 player $10 million/year when the rest of the team will pretty much be rookies and low level players. Look what signing A-Rod did to Texas, it destroyed the fan base for years because the team wasn't able to pay other players enough to have a competitive team out there.

So, now you have 3 choices.... let teams go bankrupt and move them (in which case you hope a fan base is there) but you disgruntle fans in the city you move from and economically hurt that city plus piss of politicians who can start looking at that anti-trust exemption..... You "carry" those teams and so a portion of every dollar that team gets goes back to MLB thus in the end they can't spend money on payroll because they have loans they have to pay.... OR you devise a true revenue sharing program and salary cap and let every city have a chance again. You treat the teams as equals, even the money out and instead of being entities among themselves they become subsidiaries (like NFL/NBA teams... etc). This would allow owners to make money, allow GM's to truly go out and do the work they can to put out the best product and so on.

Now, Selig who was a small market owner to a horrific team (Milwaukee) that had no base to speak of, became Commish and swore to even the playing field. All of a sudden Milwaukee after years of not getting a stadium bill passed gets one passed, money flows in and Selig shuts up about changing the system. hmmmmm

Then we have to look at the players. If you're Roy Halladay, and you have Boston/NY, Seattle, Oakland and Cincy offering basically the same moeny... most likely you will go to Boston/NY, because more fan base = more advertising = more chances to command bigger dollars to endorse products = more money playing in NYC/Boston/LA. So Mid and Small Market teams end up having to offer more money. Then the agents come in and they want to show other clients they can get every penny they can.... then the MLBPA tells players you need to go where there is more money so that the guys coming up will make more... then you have the NIKE/PEPSI/ etc telling the player they'll pay more if he goes to a bigger market where more people will see him using their products and know his name.

But the player's/ agent/ advertising is the common thread in all sports. Lebron will be offered much more in Cleveland than anywhere else ( Larry Bird Exception), but he'll make more in NY/Chicago/LA because NIKE will pay him more because he'll be seen more.

Sports isn't about guys out there to win for a city, to bring pride and championships to the fans anymore. It's all about bottom lines. Bottom line, especially in MLB is Big Markets = Big $$$$$$ and not just from the teams.

Until MLB can get some kind of workable cap and revenue sharing that helps the Small and Mid markets, MLB will always have 3 maybe 4 teams that have everybody and everyone else basically a farm team, raising players up to the majors, getting them experienced and then shipping them out to the big markets. Thus a team like Tampa/Cleveland/Cincy/KC/Det/Pitt/Oak may be competitive and damned good for a year or 2 but then fall back into mediocrity when they can't afford the players they brought up. That doesn't help keep a fan base. The only thing that keeps a fan base is being able to keep your star players and be competitive year in and year out. Give the fans hope every year.

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djtestudo

Oh, so you're one of THOSE Yankee fans.

Message to consider you opinions on baseball completely irrelevant received loud and clear.

Now for something completely different...

In about a twelve-hour period, the Orioles made two signings, Mike Gonzalez (Nice) and Garrett Atkins (Meh), and reports came out that the team is making an offer for Matt Holliday and made a run at Adrian Gonzalez at the winter meetings. Suddenly, I'm excited

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man.. if the O's are making an offer for Holliday, then that's their entire payroll. Boras wants 22 mil per season for him. The only team that's come close is St. Louis and they're willing to go 16-18 mil per season.

It's going to take a ton to get Adrian Gonzalez, in fact, Boston is rumored to be looking at grabbing him (if he isn't snagged) right before spring training, but they'll have to give up Buckholtz to do it. What do the O's have that would lure the Padre's into giving up Gonzalez?

canuckguy

I never understood the hatred towards the baseball revenue issue with the yanks and beantown spending more than everyone else. I say good for them, they want to win and invest in the teams. And this is coming for someone who roots for the jays. I wish our owners would spend the money bos/ny does.

I still hate them with a passion but I am jealous of the resources and how they invest them. It also helps to be owned by a someone that cares too. Look at the teams that do well or at least make a lot of money and it seems it is the owners that care. I can't begrudge that.

I use to watch hockey until they put this revenue cap in place. It ruins the good verus evil argument when you have these rich teams battling the small market teams. it is more exciting, and the chance for a dream season by some poor team. it is also much more compelling than watching 25 teams that all spend the same and dynasties are harder to maintain.

I effing hate ny/bos but it would be boring if we all spend the same.

The Halladay trade was nice to see it finally come to an end. I am going to miss watching him on tv all summer, I really hope these prospects turn out. Seeing him in the phillies colours made me feel like shit.

djtestudo

But they don't have that money.

The Yankees are really on their own plane when it comes to the money they bring in. The Red Sox are next, a little further back, but still well beyond every other team. Then comes the tier with the Mets, Cubs and Dodgers, almost exponentially less, and it goes down more and more from there.

It isn't that they have more money to spend than other teams. It's that they have more money to spend than many teams COMBINED. It is blatantly unfair, especially considering the only reason the Yankees can even make that money is by competing with all of the other teams.

This isn't even money from the owner; this is money they get essentially as their birthright as the more-successful team in the largest market in the country. To suggest that the system is nothing short of embarrassingly unfair, let alone suggest what you do about an owner not shoveling all of their money into the fireplace to fail at fighting what other teams get for free, is to have a very poor view of the subject.

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I'm not going to even attempt to say it isn't fair, and realistically, I think the only reason Boston spends so much is because they feel they have to spend that much in order to be like the skanks. They want to dethrone them so badly every season that they just have to spend the money, that and when a player says they're in the free agency market, they know if they are good enough for Boston, they're probably good enough for NY and NY isn't that far away..

how to fix it? I have no idea.

pan6467

There's a very simple way of fixing the problem... everything with an MLB label or MLB approved (Tickets, ALL TV revenue, merchandise, radio, ad revenue, etc) goes into a pot and gets evenly distributed. You put a hard salary cap on the teams with the only exceptions being similar to the NBA's "Bird Exemption" or the NFL's "Franchise Player" exemption.

The only teams that will lobby against this would be the Yankees and maybe the Bosox. The MLBPA of course will fight it, probably strike but if they do not do this teams are going to go bankrupt, owners will sell for losses (lowering the value of teams not only in MLB but in all sports), teams will move and MLB will probably have Congress studying and threatening to revoke their coveted anti-trust exemption.

People may argue and say that's gloom and doom but right now I have a feeling if the books were made public we'd see MLB propping up several teams keeping them alive.

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I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"

bazkitcase5

I agree with the last few posts - the yankees are ruining baseball for all non yankee fans

I love baseball... always have... but seems these last few years its pointless to cheer for my team, its cheer for any team that is playing against the yankees

if the yankees win the world series, *cough* - then the season is a loss

djtestudo said it best, and there is nothing any lower level team can do about it - they can farm there players, but its only a matter of time until they get really good and become a free agent, then bail to a higher paying team - the lower market teams never last more than a few years at a time before seemingly starting over

canuckguy

The one thing your all forgetting is most of your teams are owned by billionaires who don't give a fuck if the team wins, only care about the profits. Usually the difference between a successful team and a franchise in ruin is who owns the team. For example the toronto maple leafs in hockey are owned by a corporation who knows that no matter what product they put out there the building will sell out. No chance of winning until you have someone who owns the team and cares. Sure the stars can align and you can get lucky like Rays did a couple of years ago.

I know Mark Cuban is a businessman first and fan second but i bet if you asked him if he could earn 50 million profit this year with his mavericks or only 1 million and win a championship he would take the title in a heart beat.

Face the facts, more of the owners don't care if the team wins. Sure some do care and are willing to invest in the teams. The money is there for teams to invest in revenue sharing but most just pocket it. I believe there are penalties if they don't use the money on baseball operations though.

I wish the fucktards that own my jays would put more money into the team but they don't care. That makes me hate the them, but i am jealous that the yanks are willing to spend the cash. In the 90's the jays has the highest payroll in baseball, why can't they do that now for example.

djtestudo

But this has nothing to do with the argument. The Yankees and Red Sox have the kind of income that allows for payroll coverage AND giant profits without the owners having to dip into their personal fortunes beyond the costs of purchasing the franchise. You really think that compares to other owners having to do just that in order to consider competing?

It really sounds like you are just complaining about your team instead of really looking at the problems within the system.

EDIT: Pan just said it MUCH better right below...

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pan6467

The owners are billionaires because they don't waste money. Let's say you own the Jays. Now, you can open your own personal wallet and throw millions to buy a team. First, you find you have to offer more to players than NY or Boston because of endorsements and other monies that they would make in those cities. Secondly, you have to convert to US Dollars so that's more.

Let's say you do that. You don't care how much it costs. So you spend $150 Million. Your team only brings in $100 million even though you sold out every game and won the World Series. So, you personally lose $50 million. Do that for a few years and watch what happens. Now, you could be like Guizenga (spelling) who owned the Marlins and bought the WS in '97. Win and get the F out before the team falls apart or you can continue to try to win but every year lose $50 million and if those players don't perform and have a bad year or the fans can't afford tickets and the stadium doesn't fill... you lose even more.

So how many years are you willing to lose $50 million of your own money? And if you win and sell everyone off... well look at Miami, again Guizenga did that and Florida has never recovered those lost fans and can't field a competitive team.
Your example here is that it's now who runs the teams. How good are the GM's, the scouts, etc. Some owners will take advantage of the cap and still field horrendous teams so they can make more profit (not wise because it won't last long), or they just have bad people running the team. It's not quite like baseball where they can go out and spend and get anyone they want.

First, the NBA has a sal cap so Cuban knows the most he can possibly lose in any given year. Secondly, if Cuban owned the Rangers or Astros, I can almost guarantee if he personally lost even $10 million his first year in ownership and saw that even if he went out and bought better players he'd lose that and possibly more he'd sell in a heartbeat. Owners do not own to lose money.... even billionaires.

Yes, in every sport there are owners that use the system, to make as much as they can and don't care what kind of team they field. Those owners usually end up with franchises worth much less than they bought them for and those are just fools who are not good business people.

In the 90's times were different. Players weren't as expensive as they are now and teams like the Indians were tapping new income sources (stadiums, ads, cable contracts, etc) Those new sources aren't there. 10-20 years ago very very few players made or commanded $10 million. Now that's a price that is becoming a norm. Yet, teams revenues aren't going up. Salaries go up, income reaches it's plateau..... thus, you can't keep up.

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I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"

jaymoney

yeah yeah yeah and the yankees spend there money to insure they dont get de-throned by boston sure they spend cause its more important to win the world series than to make a profit to both owners

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listen that is just to bad if the owner of the marlins dont want to spend to put out there the best team possible . as for a cap are you nuts all that does is riun a sport just look at the NBA. so let me get this strait you want to pay your hard earned money so that a owner who happens to be a billionair can pocket all of the income while decreasing the players salary (mind you the player the guy out there actually playing the game) so that the fat cat can keep the max profit

djtestudo

The first paragraph proves you are reading nothing in this thread by ignoring that the Yankees make a gigantic profit despite how much they spend. The second just adds more proof.

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