Well, Urijah Faber just got pulverized last night. It was shaping up to be a great fight, but he got caught really early in the fight and went down HARD. He's a great fighter, but it's always interesting to see the great ones fall. Hopefully he'll be back soon.

The guy who beat him looks very strong and quick. He'll be tough to dethrone.

UFC 91 Card
Main card
Heavyweight Championship Match: Randy Couture vs. Brock Lesnar
Lightweight bout: Kenny Florian vs. Joe Stevenson
Heavyweight bout: Gabriel Gonzaga vs. Josh Hendricks
Middleweight bout: Demian Maia vs. Nate Quarry
Welterweight bout: Dustin Hazelett vs. Tamdan McCrory

Preliminary card
Lightweight bout: Jorge Gurgel vs. Aaron Riley
Lightweight bout: Jeremy Stephens vs. Rafael dos Anjos
Lightweight bout: Mark Bocek vs. Alvin Robinson
Welterweight bout: Matt Brown vs. Ryan Thomas


Predictions on the main event? I keep flipping back and forth. If Brock can KO Randy early it's his. Thing is he didn't finish Herring and by round 3 he was completely gassed. If it goes long Randy will take him down pick him apart.

I'm going with Randy in the forth round by TKO (strikes).

Urijah...DAMN... what's funny about the fight..he gets basically shoved down..then comes up and looks like he's posturing up like you see in a bar or something..and i'm thinking..."Dude, you are already in a cage fight...what the hell are you gonna do"...then he gets up from a single leg and throws a haymaker elbow...blindly...like he's pissed off

this DEFINITELY was not his best showing..by far.

now..as for the main event saturday......Here are the two scenarios and they are like m0rpheus's prediction: either, 1, lesnar bumrushes couture and gets a shot in and just ends it..FAST, like 30 seconds. If couture survives that, which is likely, then the match goes 4-5 rounds and couture 'may' lose 1 round in a decision or will pound out a 4th or 5th round victory. If couture can withstand lesnar's speed/power for a couple of minutes, then it'll be almost all couture. Frankly, I think it may go like couture/silvia in that couture will shock lesnar early on and keep him off his game. I highly doubt this will be a wrestling match and i'm really thinking lesnar loses...dunno why.

now that i've said that, watch lesnar KO couture in the last seconds of the 5th round....


I just bet Big nog and Mir are pissed thy were relegated to interim championship and pushed way back on the hypometer...

Great KO for Brown, now we get to see if Urijah pulls a GSP and comes back even better.

I'm really excited for the Florian vs. Stevenson match. Stevenson will probably rely on his wrestling to gain an advantage, though Florian is a BJJ black belt ( I think Joe just received his black belt as well). I don't know if Joe will try and stand with Kenny as he's losing a few inches of reach, and has to watch out about getting cut by those razor elbows. I'm going with a Florian by split decision. (Although I would love to see a Sherk vs Stevenson fight in the future)

Lesnar vs. Couture, it seems like we're always talking about Randy as an experienced underdog, due to his age and (especially in this case) size disadvantage. Brock will probably have over 30lbs on Randy, is an NCAA wrestling champ, and has those giant Christmas hams for knuckles. But Couture almost always comes with a gameplan, utilizing clinches and dirty boxing to wear out the opponent. A year of inactivity didn't effect him much against Sylvia, but this is another couple of years down the line. Morpheus and Paq have already said it, Lesnar can possibly end the fight with a big early KO. Couture can throw him off his game like he did against Sylvia. I'm hoping this goes beyond 3 rounds, as it'll show where both fighters are in their careers. I know I'm jinxing myself, but Couture by decision.

I was really against Brock Lesnar being given this title shot as frankly I don't think he deserves it. I find it disrespectful to the other heavyweights that have put their bodies on the line for Dana and have far better records and experience than Brock.

However, I think he is going to win. Couture has been out of the octagon for far too long and he is going against a far larger, faster and stronger opponent.

Randy beat Tim Sylvia and Gabriel Gonzaga by smothering them with his wrestling abilities that they just couldn't overcome. Brock is a very accomplished wrestler with very legitimate pedigree and I just don't see Randy being able to utilize that against him.

I see Brock either knocking out Randy early, or pulling a repeat of the Heath Herring fight and just smothering him and winning by decision.

People keep saying that Brock won't be able to go deep into this fight, but I don't agree. He did not look tired to me against Herring at all - granted he wasn't tested, but he has a background in both amateur and professional wrestling where cardio is very important - in the WWE (and yes I know it is fake) they have matches that run very long and are extremely athletic.

Randy's only chance I think is to catch him with a solid punch and knock him out.

I'm placing bets on Brock.

i think big nog and mir and..well, about any other top heavyweight contender should be pissed with lesnar getting the shot so early. I dunno if dana is just wanting to either 1, make a fast buck off lesnar as the freak show, or 2, get randy to retire.

think about it, lesnar loses and the big money fight for him is basically over for a LONG time. couture loses to someone with only ..3 mma fights? his credibility to fight fedor is over....

Lesnar wins and he gets touted as the best fighter ever...only his 4th fight in mma and he's champ.

the only winner here is Dana...sheesh.

not happy with this fight

Thing is that Randy still has two more fights on his contract I believe after this one.

Only way I see Randy winning this fight is by knockout. I do wonder how Stamina will play, everybody thinks Brock will gas, but Brock makes a fair point in saying that Randy is going to be the one pushing around a 280 lbs gorilla.

I bet money that the fight would be over by the 2:30 mark in the 3rd round. That way I win regardless of who takes it!

What about BJ and GSP? I'm more hyped about that. I cannot wait for it. Especially being New Years Day.

As for the Lesnar/Couture fight. I hope Couture beats the piss out of him. I hate Lesnar, I think he's a douche. The guy doesn't deserve a title shot so early. Although i hate Mir also, I think there should be another title shot for him.

The December card is looking ridiculous too, Griffin/Evans, Nog/Mir, Rampage/Wandy, plus you've got Congo and Hammil fighting (not each other).

th other thing: lesnar weighs in at 285-300 depending on what cow he ate that morning...he will 'weigh' in at 265, but that's as a wrestler cutting a ton of water weight...he's a pro at it, as is couture, but couture is generally walking around at 220 or so...
couture also has had the most trouble against the larger heavyweights which is why he went to lhw the first time. He only came out of retirement bc he thought he could beat tim sylvia...then gonzaga was a great bjj black belt who was underexperienced and mauled by the wrestling abilities...now you have lesnar as a HUGE wrestler who is fast as hell, even stronger, and getting less green as the days go by. I DOUBT lesnar will gas, i just don't think he'll know how to finish if he can't get a 1 hit KO.


i'm really excited to see GSP whoop monkey ass on BJ penn. Penn is great, don't get me wrong..but GSP just wins. I don't think cardio will play into it like people are saying (penn's weakness) but i don't see the fight going past the 2nd round, honestly.

Griffin/evans has me stoked as well...Evans has a weird record, undefeated, a couple of snoozefest lay and pray matches and at least 2 ultrahigh profile KO of the night KO of the year wins....I'm still thinking griffin wins..just bc that dude gets better..and better...and better..and better...and better...

nog vs mir..if mir brings MIR and not lazy mir, then this will be amazing...2 very high level bjj people..should be fun.

rampage/wandy III...i still don't think rampage has what it takes to beat wandy..that said, I thin a lot of the pride wandy was due to some juice juice action, which seems to be why he's not nearly as wandy as normal in the UFC....

i'm hoping hammil figures out what he was trying to do against franklin bc that was a horrible showing.

GSP and Penn are such different fighters, it's going to be awesome...they are both at the top of their respective fields.

As for Lesner, well, after Couture beat Gonzaga, I have a hard time writing him off against ANYONE.

Really? It looked like he was exhausted and bearly able to breath to me.

Don't get me wrong. I think the GSP-Penn match will be AWESOME and that the december PPV has a better card than Couture/Lesnar does but it's this weekend and this thread was kinda quiet about it.

i'm with the rest of the world wanting to see couture/fedor...

seriously, that would be aweeeesome.

i just doubt we'll ever see it happening.

I'm actually looking forward to Fedor/Arlovski. I like Arlovski waaaaay more than Silvia, not that I think he'll win but I'm hoping he'll put up a better fight than Tim did.

oh, fedor vs aarlovski will be great to watch as well. I think AA is better than silvia by far and he has a more well rounded game. I still see fedor winning, but it won't be a 30 second showing.

I was amazed big nog took fedor to the limit, which is a testament to just how good nog is and another reason why lesnar/couture is a slap in the face..

I'm just hoping that Lesnar gets to see how good Nog is too now. I really don't want Mir/Lesnar 2.

I hope Nog tears apart Lesnar (I'm assuming Nog is going to run through Mir). I really don't want to see him fight anymore. His fighting style is really uninteresting to me. I don't want to see him get in a punch and then hammer first until the ref calls the fight.

I really want to see Machida again, UFC 94 is a long ways away. He is one of the smartest fighters I have ever seen. He has deserved a title shot for awhile and I think he'll take it from whoever is holding the title when he gets hist chance.

i don't know how many of you follow fedor..but apparently...*gasp*...he LOST the sambo tourney...bronze metal for his first loss since 2000...

to recap: couture loses to lesnar, Fedor loses to a bulgarian...

the endtimes are coming, i tell you

Fedor Emelianenko loses at 2008 World Combat Sambo Championships at UFC blog for UFC news, results, videos, rumors, fights, pics and tickets — MMAmania.com


Also, i just read that dana white was upset at mario yamasaki for letting couture get hammered for too long at hte end of the lesnar/couture fight. I find that odd since couture and lesnar were both ok with the timing of the stoppage. If mario had called it any sooner, people would have been pissed about yet another early stoppage...


ok, so...how do they come up with these pay scales:
http://mmamania.com/2008/11/17/ufc-9...ure-vs-lesnar/

jeremy stevens definitely deserved the $60K for KO of the night with that uppercut he dragged up from 'misssippi' to quote the late Richard Pryor. Seriously, that was brutal and showed 9 times in slow mo just for effect. I swear with the proper camera angle, you can see anjos's nose fly off his face for a moment...

but lesnar and couture getting the SAME base pay...that's just wrong and no wonder couture walked out on his contract before....

and for gonzaga to be paid more than kenflo as base...just wrong. Gonzaga is good..but not that good compared to ken flo....

dunno, their payouts seem kinda random to me...i wish i knew what went on to come up with the numbers.

Where did you hear that Dana was pissed at the stoppage?
-----Added 18/11/2008 at 08 : 48 : 17-----

It all comes down to how good your agent is when he negotiates your contract. There is no standard pay - everything is based on negotiated amounts. Gonzaga was seen as the next big thing before Randy took him down (and still could be) therefore he had leverage when he negotiated his contract with Dana. Some other excellent fighters not getting paid very well are working off poorly negotiated contracts with multiple fight committments - when they renegotiate they will surely get a large pay bump assuming they are still winning.

Dana White: Brock Lesnar vs Randy Couture late stoppage ‘crossed the line’ at UFC blog for UFC news, results, videos, rumors, fights, pics and tickets — MMAmania.com

as for gonzaga, i think he's pretty overrated at the minute. He's a big heavyweight with some good technique, but not on the level he's being promoted as, but that's just me. I can see how negotiations with the agent are a big help..it's just funny how gonzaga was paid 55K to show an dhis opponent was paid 8K...think they were feeding him someone to make him look good...

That wasn't a "late" stoppage at all. WTF is Dana talking about. For the first batch of punches Randy was making the effort to defend himself (not really succeeding but he was trying) and once he stopped defending Yamasaki stopped it. Imagine if Randy was trying to defend and he stopped the fight? There'd be a fucking riot.

yea, i have noooo idea what dana was talking about, i saw "randy hit behind the ear..randy goes down, lesnar jumps and hammerfists..randy defends..randy flails about, ref stops"

nothing about that was a late stoppage...now, if you're talking about gonzaga hitting the dude and the dude goes down, gonzaga hits him, looks at ref, ref says hit him again....then immediately stops..yea, that was a bad call and i've seen it a few times. I think ti was the gonzaga fight, anyway. It's one of those where the person on the ground is clearly out, the other fighter looks to the ref and the ref tells him to continue, then immediately stops at the next punch..

Totally, I couldn't believe the ref wanted Gonzaga to continue there.

i've seen that a few times and i don't get it. I mean, it's not like i've ever seen teh ref say "Hit him again" and have the guy come back..it's always one or two punches more and the ref steps in..i don't get it...

Dana White is a prick. They released John Fitch because he wouldn't sign a contract for a video game because of Dana's strong-arming. John Fitch was resigned the next day but what the fuck? Look at Dana White's interview:

Update: UFC Talking with Fitch?s Management

Fitch Back in UFC Fold

I'm guessing White has more of a problem with the managers and reps of AKA, as they mentioned Josh Koscheck and Cain Velasquez in the article. Either way, seems like it wasn't handled very professionally.

I think he just can't handle people not agreeing with him and he starts acting like an asshole.

Dana White elaborates on Jon Fitch release and stance on AKA … at UFC blog for UFC news, results, videos, rumors, fights, pics and tickets — MMAmania.com here is where he mentioned it was aka and not fitch himself, just that fitch was one of the bigger names..

i guess they got something worked out

Wow this is gonna be a good couple of months. Fight for the Troops on the 10th, Ultimate Fighter finale on the 13 (with one of my favorites Jason MacDonald), UFC 92 on the 27th, UFC 93 on Jan 17th, and BJ getting his ass kicked (not that I'm biased or anything) by GSP on the 31st. Guess I might as well kiss my non-UFC life goodbye till February...

Wow nice KO by Rampage. Mir looked fucking awesome too.

I got absolutely killed on my picks for this fight. I had bet 1,000,000 points total on a fantasy fight betting thing and only went 2/6

ugh, don't get me started.

please do.

Well, I went 7-3.... but Itotally failed at the only two fights I really cared about Wandy and Nog.

Mir was fantastic. No one seems to like him due to his cocky demeanor, but you can't deny his talent. I was expecting him to pull some of his submission magic and was quite shocked to see him striking so effectively. Great fight; he totally dominated.

As for Rampage: wow. Knockouts don't get more perfect than that. Nice to see him doing so well in the UFC. Most of the other Pride guys don't seem to be adapting so well.

Rashad Evans seems to be no joke. I didn't take him seriously for quite a while. Seems that he's a real fighter after all. Speed AND power. Forrest was no match.

Great card, all said.

i knew mir was going to pull it out, but i didn't think it'd be like that. I don't know why, but i think it's just bc he is able to pull out some weird shit just when he needs it. Nog is great at that as well, but he played the Kaplan defense (use your chin to wear out the other guy's hand) too much and mir just rocked him...3 knockdowns in round one then bam, round two wasn't any different. If you weren't an MMA fan, you would have no idea how great nog really is and how complete the destruction was...Mir was superMir during that fight...i mean, Nog had absolutely no offense..ever. People were saying the match was stopped early, but i don't know what fight they were watching bc he was barely able to stand after that.


Kongo...damn, he was supposed to be the underdog in the GnP department of that fight and he just sent a huuuuuge message to the heavyweights..don't end up on your back :)..oh, nad don't knee him in the nuts unless you want a bit of it for yurself...

I kinda figured Rampage would win, i just didn't think he'd end it with a single left hook..that was nuts.

I've never been a huge fan of rashad, but he's shown an amazing ability to put together a game plan and stick to it, then get the other guy to mess up...either by showboating or just doing something weird. I didn't think forrest would be 'that' outclassed in the match, but damn, that was a brutal and decisive victory.

all in all, greatest ppv of 08...

That was the lesson I got from Kongo. Damn that was a brutal nut shot.

okay boys so we got a big month ahead of us. Here's what I think:

Jan 17 (UFC 93):
Dan Henderson vs. Rich Franklin: Hendo
Mark Coleman vs. Mauricio "Shogun" Rua: Shogun
Alan Belcher vs. Denis Kang: Kang
Jeremy Horn vs. Rousimar Palhares: Toquinho
Marcus Davis vs. Chris Lytle: Davis
Alexandre Barros vs. Martin Kampmann: Kampmann
Antonio Mendes vs. Eric Schafer: Mendes
Thomasz Drwal vs. Ivan Serati: Drwal
Tom Egan vs. John Hathaway: Hathaway
Denis Siver vs. Nate Mohr: Siver

Jan 24 (Affliction Day of Reckoning):
Fedor Emelianenko vs. Andrei Arlovski: Fedor (I want Andrei to win so I hope I get this one wrong.)
Josh Barnett vs. Gilbert Yvel: Barnett
Vitor Belfort vs. Matt Lindland: Vitor
Renato "Babalu" Sobral vs. Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou: Babalu
Chris Horodecki vs. Dan Lauzon: D-Lau
Paul Buentello vs. Kiril Sidelnikov: Head Hunter
Vladamir Matyushenko vs. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira: Lil Nog

Jan 25 (WEC 38):
Jamie Varner vs. Donald Cerrone: Cerrone
Urijah Faber vs. Jens Pulver: Faber
Mike Campbell vs. Danilo Villefort: Villefort
Jose Aldo vs. Rolando Perez: Aldo

JAN 31 (UFC 94):
Georges St-Pierre vs. B.J. Penn: BJ
Lyoto Machida vs. Thiago Silva: Machida (Hope I'm wrong here to)
Karo Parisyan vs. Dong Hyun Kim: Stun Gun
Nate Diaz vs. Clay Guida: Nate
Stephan Bonnar vs. Jon Jones: Bonnar
Jon Fitch vs. Akihiro Gono: Fitch
Thiago Tavares vs. Manvel Gamburyan: Tavares
Jake O'Brien vs. Christian Wellisch: O'brien
John Howard vs. Chris Wilson: Wilson
Matt Arroyo vs. Dan Cramer: Arroyo

I find it funny that i know and want to see the affliction fights more than the UFC fights..with the exception of gsp vs penn, rua vs coleman, machida vs silva, and marcus davis vs anyone.

I'm also curious to see faber vs pulver rematch. I think faber will win, but if he's mentally ANYTHING like he was in his last fight, he'll find himself on the mat looking up.

can't wait to see lindland vs belfort just to see how/if they've evolved well. ih aven't seen them since ...ummm..well, i think couture was 40 or younger :)

at any rate, this is shaping up to be an awesome month

that's pretty much how I feel, except that I want to see Fitch get back on the horse. And damnit, I want to see machida win and get a title shot already.

i cant belive they aren't planning to televise fitch's match...that's utter bs.

and i want machida to get reamed...i want to see thiago land a flying knee that crumbles him worse than matt hughes.

speaking of which, hughes vs serra is supposed to be on tap very soon as well. I'm 'kinda' interested, but the hype has died for that match, sadly.

I'm more excited for GSP-Penn II more than anything else.

Fitch getting undercarded for the ATT drama is hilarious to me for some reason. Not that I think it's fair.

well, to go from a pretty good showing against gsp in the main event to undercarding...not fair, kinda funny, but i'm expecting dana white to give an expletive filled excuse...

either way, i'm not a huge fitch fan. I like him, but i don't really remember ever jumping out of my chair during one of his fights. I was shocked he went the distance with gsp, though

AKA, not ATT.

Agreed. If this is how he's going to act towards fighters, maybe he shouldn't have any involvement in that aspect of the UFC. He seems to have done a good job in other areas of business.

I'm rooting for Arlovski too but I just don't know if he can beat Fedor. If the dominant Arlovski shows up then maybe, MAYBE, he has a chance. Sometimes he just doesn't seem into it though. If that Arlovski shows up then he's done, fast.

I'm really looking forward to the GSP/B.J. Penn match. I really want GSP to just destroy BJ. Not that I think it will be that lopsided but I can hope.
I am looking forward to the Lyoto Machida vs. Thiago Silva match too but mainly because I hope Thiago can take him. I'd love to see Thiago vs GSP for the belt.

As much as I hate Rashad's showboating, it might be the only thing keeping me awake if he fights boring-ass Lyoto Machida. :no:

If Rashad were to do what he did in the Forrest fight against Rampage... his jaw would wind-up in the 5th row.

I'm kinda pissed about Rampage fighting Jardine now. It's upsetting.

But that means Machida and Silva are fighting to be the #1 contender.

15 for 17 on my picks so far. yay!

i don't get why they are putting rampage against jardine right now....weird. rampage against the winner of machida/silva maybe...


ugh

so did anyone see where Arlovski's jaw landed?

Who knew that a chubby sub six foot Russian would be the worlds most dominant fighter.

Would still like to see how he would do in the UFC, but the way Affliction is paying those guys I doubt any of them will need to jump ship until it goes belly up.

dude...300K plus part of the ppv payout for fedor..1.5million for arlovski to show....

yea..1.5 million..by comparision, ufc 93 TOTAL fighter payout was like 1.2 million....

i like the affliction brand...i like their matches, and i like how they are actually paying fighter, but this was only for 13500 people or so and whatever ppv buy rate...ie, not enough....i hpoe they become profitable soon

UFC 94 is this weekend make your picks.

Preliminary Card
Welterweight bout: Jon Fitch vs. Akihiro Gono
Sad to see Fitch on the prelim card. I'm going with Fitch via Rear Naked Choke in the second.

Lightweight bout: Thiago Tavares vs. Manvel Gamburyan
Tavares has been kinda cold recently and Gamburyan lost his last one so the both kinda need a win here. I'm going with Gamburyan by Guillotine in the second.

Welterweight bout: John Howard vs. Chris Wilson
Never seen Howard so I'm going to go with Wilson by Unanimous Decision.

Heavyweight bout: Jake O'Brien vs. Christian Wellisch
O'Brien's lost his last two. He needs a win here and I'm going to go with O'Brien via TKO (stoppage) in the first.

Welterweight bout: Matt Arroyo vs. Dan Cramer
Two Ultimate Fighters go at it. I'm going to go with Cramer by split decision.

Main Card
Lightweight bout: Nate Diaz vs. Clay Guida
I really like Clay Guida and I want to say Clay by rear naked choke. My head is telling my Nate's gonna take this one in the third via triangle choke.

Welterweight bout: Karo Parisyan vs. Dong Hyun Kim
Parisyan by decision. To be honest I'm not too excited about this one.

Light Heavyweight bout: Stephan Bonnar vs. Jon Jones
Bonnar's only losses come to Forrest, Rashad and Machida unless Jones can really step it up he's going to go down here. Going with Bonnar by rear naked choke in the second.

Light Heavyweight bout: Lyoto Machida vs. Thiago Silva
I really want Thiago to take this one. I want to say Thiago by TKO in round one. Sadly though I've got a funny feeling it's going to be Machida by split decision.

Welterweight Championship bout: Georges St-Pierre vs. B.J. Penn
It seems like either you are a GSP fan or a BJ fan. I'm a GSP fan so I'm going to say GSP by TKO due to strikes in round 3.

my pics:
fitch...sad to see him on the undercard bc of training team disputes, but he impressed me with 5 rounds with gsp....

i' going with tavares bc manvel is just too wild. i'd go manvel if he has calmed down and started thinking..

I'm with you on the wilson fight, nooo clue about howard

I'm going with o'brien, too...

I'll say arroyo bc i like saying his name more (it's a tossup to me who will win)

I want to say guida will win bc i like him, too and nate is just...well, i'm a nick fan, not a nate fan. That said, nate is a freaking machine on the ground...sooo, i gotta go with nate.

I miss the old karo....but the new one has panic attacks and jus tisn't that impressive lately...but i don't know dong kim.

Bonnar by far against jones.

I really think Thiago will stop machida. he's fast, aggressive and i think he'll be able to pin machida down and actually fight. if not, then yea, ti'll be machida by split decision.

Gsp by murder :) he's too nice to actually murder penn, but i see penn getting a GREAT start..then dying in the 3rd or 4th round.

I love GSP, but BJ has neither bones nor ligaments, and is thus capable of contorting himself into all kinds of strangly poses not possible for humans. I call it BJ by inhuman submission in the 3rd.

bj can stand and put his foot behind his head without using his hands...crazy

now..i am thinking and one of gsp's biggest strengths is the takedown ability....but do you really ever want to take penn down...Unless you tie one of his arms around your leg and the other arm around your elbow and lay on him and start pounding him in the head, you're probably going to be put in a submission off the bottom....

that said, i still think gsp will win somehow.

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I'm a fan of both guys, and I really want to see a solid 5 round fight. I can see BJ get an early advantage but slow down in the 4th, with St. Pierre maintaining an aggressive pace throughout the fight. St. Pierre probably won't be taking the fight to the ground because of Penn's jiu-jitsu, but he's surprised us before. Unless BJ cuts St. Pierre, forcing a doctor's stoppage, I'm picking St. Pierre by split decision.

I think the Guida vs. Diaz fight is going to be crazy good. Clay seems to have limitless cardio that can break an opponent, but Diaz can always catch him if he's not careful. I'm picking Nate with a Rear Naked Choke in the 3rd.

Everytime there's a Machida fight, I always find myself saying "I like Machida, and I'm hoping he gets more aggressive in this fight." We see glimpses of aggressiveness, but only when he finds an opening. I'm hoping Thiago can catch him, rather than play into Machida's defensive "parrying" style. With that said, I see Machida pulling out a unanimous decision.

I like Penn more than Pierre, but I am not sure he will be able to win this fight

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I got killed tonight.


4 of 10


-_-


Kim won that fight, fuck that shit.

he absolutely did. Machida looked awesome tonight.

Man, that was a great night of fights (except for the Karo one). I was very surprised with Jones, especially since he's only 21! Jackson and GSP worked out a great strategy, breaking Penn's spirit early, overwork his neck and shoulder so he can't fire off a punch, and control the rest of the fight. Guida and Diaz was a fantastic opening fight, and I would love to see a rematch, especially if it's a 5 rounder. Silva played perfectly into Machida's style, which made for a very entertaining fight (and awesome KO).

Yeah, that Kim fight was bs...what to say..

The first 2 fights were kind of slow, abit too much grappling. GG Machida...nice to see some aggressiveness.

The GSP-BJ fight wasn't very entertaining imho. A little too one-sided to get people riled up.

Pre-card
So got Fitch right but I thought he'd finish it. 1-0
Looks like Tavares' cold streak comes to an end. 1-1
I picked Wilson because I didn't know Howard at all. 1-2
Got O'Brian. Thought he'd finish it too. 2-2
Cramer by split, just as I thought. 3-2

Main Card
Nate Diaz vs. Clay Guida - Way to go Clay. I'm always happy to be wrong when I pick Clay to lose. 3-3

Karo Parisyan vs. Dong Hyun Kim - I'm right, but I really thought Kim deserved the decision more than Parisyan. 3-4

Stephan Bonnar vs. Jon Jones - Wow Jones looked awesome until he gassed. Then again he's only 21 with some better cardio he could be fantastic. 3-5

Lyoto Machida vs. Thiago Silva - Wow. Machida won by KO??? WTF??? I'm shocked to say that I was actually entertained by a Machida fight. 4-5

Welterweight Championship bout: Georges St-Pierre vs. B.J. Penn - Wow again. I picked GSP but I had no idea that he would dominate BJ like that. At the end of the fight BJ had done so little to GSP that it looked like Georges could have taken another fight next weekend. Great win for GSP. 5-5

Did GSP cheat?
 

It seems BJ Penn and his lawyers are calling GSP out over his use of grease during the fight. I haven't seen the fight yet, but if GSP did use grease that certainly tarnishes his victory. If the complaint is found to be legit, do you guys think we'll see another match? :confused:

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Penn wants St. Pierre investigated - Sportsnet.ca

B.J. Penn complaint via sportsnet.ca

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Hmm, hard to say. The only time it would have made a difference was when it was taken to the ground and Penn went for a high guard but never got a grip. Whether this was from Vaseline residue or from GSP just working out of position, we'll never know.

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So is BJ ever going to defend the lightweight belt then?

yea, his next fight is against Kenny florian and should be aaaaamazing. Kenflo is one of the hardest working and intelligent fighters in the UFC and he has brruuuuutal elbows and a great submission game..

on the other hand, anyone stopping bjpenn at 155 has to be amazing.

I know Kenflo is supposed to be up next. I more meant the fact that BJ hasn't defended the belt since last May and if BJ does actually want a rematch against GSP will he defend the belt first seeing as he won it last January and only defended it once in 2008. Since GSP is supposed to be fighting Alves (in July according to Wikipedia but take that for what it's worth) hopefully BJ will defend the Lightweight belt at least once more before a GSP rematch.

im gonna state it here and now..i am 99% sure there will not be a gsp/penn rematch anytime soon..by soon, i mean before 2010 or 2011. ie, if they do it, ti will be when they are both past their prime or aren't champs anymore

UFC 95 Diego Sanchez vs. Joe Stevenson, it's gonna be a tough pick. Joe is coming off a loss to Kenny Florian, while Diego is coming off back to back wins and making his debut at lightweight. Both fighters have great ground games, and both have improved their striking. Diego stands 3 inches taller than Joe, and may end up weighing more by fight time. Conditioning shouldn't be a factor, but I think the combo of weight cut and time difference will effect Diego in some way. I'm taking Joe by decision.

i'm kinda conflicted on diego/joe daddy...i like both, i think both are pretty amazing, both are cutting lot of weight regularly (joe is about 185-190 on a normal day, diego is/was about the same but looked insanely ripped during the weigh ins). I don't really have an opinion on how either could win, but i'm thinking diego pulls it out.

i am shocked by the people who are on the undercard vs the main card, just seems backwards or they are using this ppv to promote their younger fighters

well, i'm not putting up a spoiler yet, but i think every match was televised...gracious.

Yea, the 3 hours felt much longer. Good night of fights, though.

great night of fights. I just wish i had been more excited for it beforehand.

I saw a Kimbo Slice fight on youtube the other day (when I was searching for something else)

It was really a joke, he was fighting a guy who almost fell over tryng to get away from Slice, hit him with a soft jab by accident while trying to push himself away, Slice seemed to slip over, the other guy missed several times with clumsy right hands while Slice was down on his back - and the ref called it off.

Slice got back up and clearly wasnt much hurt but he had a little mouse under one eye.

I mean, I know this is probably a very bad fight and not representative... but it is an issue, if you dont have a clear rule and the ref just stops the fight when he thinks the other guy is hurt you must get terrible decisions like this. The ref obviously had a bad angle and just saw the guy swinging in right hands and couldnt see that not a single one landed, so he stopped it, when all it was was a slip by Slice.

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Oh, and is it true David Tua is going to have a go at MMA? I have no idea if he'd be much use at wrestling, but he his left is one of the most dangerous weapons Ive ever seen in a ring.

that was kimbo vs seth and the actual fight was pretty much kimbo chasing seth, seth kicked kimbo which doubled him over, then starting punching, kimbo goes down, seth keeps punching and kimbo doesnt' defend it. the ref calls off matches if someone taps out, is knocked out or does not intelligently defend himself.

But in fairness the guy with pink hair didnt land a single clean shot other than a single jab that had no power behind it. He jumped on Kimbo when he slipped and was swinging wildly, but he didnt tag him after the first jab.

I suppose the rules are the rules, but it seems a bit weak for a fight to end in 20 seconds when neither guy has been hurt.

I think the ref would admit he made a mistake. But he has to make a split second call, and someone's life could be at stake if he allows a guy who really is out to be hit again and again when he is down...

he was connecting and hitting pretty hard, even kimbo said that during post fight interviews. He got caught, went down, didn't continue fighting.

Either way, it's not a great match on which to judge mma bouts and kimbo was a travesty.

As I understand, Kimbo was a street fighter. Fighting in the ring, whatever the rules are, is a bit different. I know of legends of bare knuckle boxing also (Roy Shaw, Lenny McLean, etc) who wouldnt last two rounds in a ring with someone like Lennox Lewis.

So what fights would you recomend I check to see the best of MMA?

Anything that wasn't produced by EliteXC. That organization was god awful. Watch some classic Pride or UFC or WEC or even Affliction fights.

Anderson Silva

or Fedor Emelianenko or GSP

My favorite fights off the top of my head:
BJ Penn vs Sean Sherk - Full Fight Video UFC 84

Matt Hughes vs. B J Penn 2 Fight Video UFC 63 | MMATKO Mixed Martial Arts Videos, MMA Videos, UFC Videos
Fight starts at the 14:30 minute mark. A great back and forth for the first 2 rounds, BJ overexerts himself in the 2nd and injures his ribs.

Classic: Matt Hughes Vs Frank Trigg UFC 52 fight Video
Speaking of bad reffing, Mario Yamasaki misses the accidental knee to the groin, but this is one of the fights that had me jumping out my seat.

I tried to find the Dan Henderson vs. Anderson Silva fight, but the one I had was incomplete.

just a highlight, but one of the better ones I've seen.

hello

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hi............it is gud

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Penn vs Florian is set for UFC 101 in Philly. Can't wait to be done with this "scandal," and focusing on exciting fights.

I wish BJ would just shut the fuck up and move on. I used to be a fan of both GSP and Penn's but now I'm just sick of Penn. It would have been one thing if a) Penn didn't get dominated by GSP and b) Penn had filed the inquiry and let the commishion look into it. But Penn has been going on like a fucking nutcase about what GSP did to win, including his diet making him sweat extra slick.
Seriously I`m just sick of Penn now and I kinda hope Florian kicks BJ's ass because you know BJ is gunning for another shot at GSP and you know Dana will give it to him because of the whole Greasegate thing. At least if Florian beats Penn it only interferes with one weight class.

Fight not tonight, Joe Rogan is twittering prelim results and i'm 5-0 right now.

Here's a few.

CroCop vs Nogueira - Note this was in PRIDE over in Japan which used different rules than the UFC does (like kicking in the head when the other guy is down)





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Fedor vs CroCop from PRIDE this one goes LOOOOOOONG. Although it does show one of the things I prefer about the cage of the UFC vs the ropes of Pride and Affliction where the fight is stopped and has to be resumed when CroCop goes under the ropes in the third clip while on the ground.

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[/COLOR]Now here's a one punch KO that really is a KO.
Fedor vs Arlovski
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Watching Kimbo stuff is really watching the worst of MMA. Kimbo only ever had a chance against purely striking guys. If they had put him against anyone with a decent ground game or a striker with real talent then EliteXC would lose their big draw, the internet sensation Kimbo, and they knew it.

Nick fucking Diaz!!!!!

I've liked diaz for a while, but i did not think he was really 'that' good...

but he just pwned frank shamrock...entire match. That was about as much of an unexpected domination as Mir vs Nog.

i was also shocked by the gracious ending. Neither fighter is really known for not trashtalking after the fact.

Man what the hell was up with Spider this weekend?

I'm remembering the spider vs hendo...vs leben...vs marquardt, vs franklin..twice....

i really thought he was just farking around for a few rounds and would just turn it on in the later ones just bc he could......

but then.....

and i'm watching again and trying to figure out if it was silva, leites or just a bad style matchup. I think silva fought the 'smart' fight and fought to not lose, but in the interest of entertainment, he he probably should have just gone down and pounded out a win.

This only hurts worse bc the last two silva fights have been blah

This past UFC ppv was shit.

one of the most boring cards I have ever seen.

and Chuck just needs to retire.