why do you think that is strange? because MMA requires so much endurance and skill that nobody could do 12 straight 5 minute rounds?

if so..then you'd be right for once.

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Well, its correct that I dont know how long championship bouts are fought over... but I assume its more than 3 round exhibitions!

On topic about this fight, I believe that Fedor will carry the big American into the later rounds, and you will be able to see for yourself how well weight lifting prepares you for a real fight.

The fact that Lesner won ONE college championship in 4 years (a great achievment for an amatour and a kid, but not exactly marking his as the greatest ever) shows he has potential

But anyone who play or follows sports knows that even great potential as a youth doesnt always migrate into success as a senior. I have quite a few mates you played youth team football attached to professional teams... I have one mate who went on to have a professionl career, and he wasnt the best youth team player by a mile.

Lesner had potential... and he turned his back on it, became an actor rather than a sportsman when he couldnt make it in the pro game... through some "mysterious" training method he came out absolutely huge (but he never failed a drug test!) Tried to play football, showed some potential but got cut, ended up in MMA, and went 2-1 against real fighters and beat a couple of tomato cans and got given a belt.

Thats what you get for being a succesfull actor. He still plays the part in MMA - making silly promo's and playing the heel, even though he is in a real sport he is playing the part he learned in WWF (assuming the two wins he had were legit of course, and that Mir or Coutre didnt lay down)

Fedor ISNT a big puncher, and he isnt a strong man - but he is a clever awkard Russian with that slippery upright style - and he will pick Lesner to pieces. I repeat that I generally fear that Lesner is so bulked up, and his physique is unsuited to a real fight, that he will put his health in serious danger against a real fighter like Fedor unless he has the common sene to quit on his stool when he knows in his heart he has nothing left to give (expect this will happen round 8 at a guess), or the "MMA Equivalent" of round 8 if the UFC have some "5 minute round rule"

In 5 min rounds I predict he taps out or quits at the end of round 5 on his stool

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Just so you stop looking foolish let me inform you that championship bouts are 5 5 minute rounds.

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haha sorry it was just annoying me already!

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Actually, being fat is better than being muscle bound, in terms of cardio fitness.

Thats why a guy the size of George Foreman in his comeback could easily go 12 rounds, and Lesner would be on the floor after 8 if he cant knock his man down.

I'd probably have a 50/50 shot against the 7 foot tomato can Lesner foght first up. The other bum he fought was a tough guy with a solid chin who hasnt beaten anybody but has given a match to some big fighters in MMA.

Then there's Mir - who beat Lesner and has been beaten by him: a technically solid guy wo hasnt ever done it at the top level

And then there's a 46 year old Light Heavy.

Lesner hasnt fought any of the big names of MMA (Filipovic, Fedor, Silva, Jackson)... he was handed the belt by the marketing men.

You can talk about my ignorance as much as it makes you happy to do so - but the minute this big lummox Lesner finds himself in the ring with a real fighter he will be exposed in my opinion. Fedor would make a fool out of him.

Even the silly guy with the big beard who conducted that farce with Ray Mercer could probably knock out Lesner.

I will repeat my analysis as it has been ignored

Lesner is one dimensional
Lenser has never proved his can fight into the late rounds
Lesner is slow
Lesner is one armed and has no left at all
Lesner has the wrong build to fight professionally
Lesner hasnt proved his heart

Fedor will make a fool out of him.

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The fact that he's an NCAA champion has nothing to do with it? 95% of the guys in the WWE would get killed in MMA, Lesnar also left the WWE a few years back. It's not like he (despite what it seems sometimes) just jumped into the UFC and dominated.

As far as facing cans. That really couldn't be more wrong. Of his five fights only one (which was his first) could be called a can. Heath Herring is never going to be a champion but he's definetly a gate keeper. Mir's a former champion, and Couture is one of the greats of the sport.

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Why? Just because he happens to be the biggest?

The reason he went to the WWE? Simple, money. Pro wrestling was huge at the time and Vince McMahon saw a monster that would dwarf even the biggest of guys in the WWE. MMA wasn't even on the radar at the time. Zuffa had just purchased the UFC and was trying to figure out how to sell it and shed the "human cockfighting" label that had been attached to the early UFCs. Long story short, there was zero money for Brock in the UFC and Vince is standing there with a big paycheck in the WWE.

Your best guess BTW couldn't be more wrong.
Yes his first fight was someone basically being fed to Brock. This wasn't in the UFC by the way. The rest of his opponents?
Frank Mir - BJJ Black Belt. Former UFC Heavyweight champion. First guy to beat Nogueira by anything other than decision.

Randy Couture - If you don't call Randy Couture a "serious heavyweight" I'd like to know who is. Winner of the UFC 13 tournament, 3 time Heavyweight champion.

Heath Herring - Least of Brock's UFC opponents but a long time gate keeper. Herring is never going to be a champion but he's hardly a can.

Wow, we totally forgot to talk about the Buffer 360



And on the subject of Fedor, he and Barnett are finally going at it August 1st. I don't really see Barnett offering that big of a challenge to Fedor, as he looked so-so in his last fight with Yvel.

We totally did!

Probably because the PPV didn't show it. Damn them, I had to find it online.

Anybody catch Tom Lawlor's comments on his Sub of the night bonus? Classic.

YOU JUST TOOK HOME A $100K BONUS, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO NEXT?

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I really wish I could have seen that fight. Tom Lawlor is now my hero for that comment and beating CB. I can't stand that guy.

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That definitely made my morning, thanks!

SF I just want to know why you seem to think the heavyweight champion is supposed to be the best in the world at the sport? It means nothing of the sort, it means you're the best in your division. I'm an MMA fan, and I'm happy to admit the heavyweight division is not the most competitive - light heavy, welterweight and middleweight are all way more competitive.

But hell, even in boxing the heavyweight champs aren't considered the best in the world. Just look at The Ring pound-for-pound rankings - not a single heavyweight in the top 10, and the top guy is a junior welterweight.

Do you really believe the heavyweight division is the pinnacle of any combat sport, or are you just saying that so you can rag on MMA?

Chilly we've been trying to move the MMA vs Boxing arguement to another thread.

Here
http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/tilted-...mma-sport.html

or if you want to try oldschool here with the exact same thread SF started earlier.
http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/tilted-...ma-debate.html

And thanks silent_jay! I hadn't actually gotten to watch any of the undercard.

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Man August is going to be fucking awesome for MMA!
We've got Afflitction: Trilogy on the first (which I'm unfortunately going to have to miss due to being up at the cottage on vacation with no tv or internet)
Main Card
WAMMA Heavyweight Championship bout: Fedor Emelianenko vs. Josh Barnett
Light Heavyweight bout: Renato Sobral vs. Gegard Mousasi
Middleweight bout: Vitor Belfort vs. Jorge Santiago
Heavyweight bout: Gilbert Yvel vs. Paul Buentello
Lightweight bout: Takanori Gomi vs. Rafaello Oliveira

We get the first of two UFC events starting with 101 on the 8th
UFC 101 Main card
Lightweight Championship bout: B.J. Penn (c) vs. Kenny Florian
Light Heavyweight bout: Anderson Silva vs. Forrest Griffin
Welterweight bout: Amir Sadollah vs. Johny Hendricks
Middleweight bout: Kendall Grove vs. Ricardo Almeida
Lightweight bout: Josh Neer vs. Kurt Pellegrino

Then we get Strikeforce: Carano vs Cyborg on the 15th
Main card
Women's Championship (145 lbs) bout: Gina Carano vs. Cristiane Santos
Lightweight Championship unification bout: Josh Thomson (c) vs. Gilbert Melendez (ic)
Heavyweight Championship bout: Alistair Overeem (c) vs. Fabricio Werdum
Welterweight Championship bout: Nick Diaz vs. Joe Riggs

Nothing on the 22nd but then finally UFC 102 on the 29th
UFC 102 Main Card
Heavyweight bout: Randy Couture vs. Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira
Light Heavyweight bout: Keith Jardine vs. Thiago Silva
Middleweight bout: Chris Leben vs. Jake Rosholt
Middleweight bout: Nate Marquardt vs. Demian Maia
Light Heavyweight bout: Krzysztof Soszynski vs. Brandon Vera

I'd really like to know what channel the Strikeforce event is going to air on up here in Canada because I don't get Showtime and this main card is fucking packed. Honestly while other cards might have better individual fights Strikeforce has done a great job of stacking the card for what is without a doubt their highest profile main event with Carano vs Cyborg.

UPDATE: Sounds like Fedor-Barnett might not be happening. Just read that Barnett failed a drug test but have'nt been able to confirm it yet. Yet knowing his history I wouldn't be surprised if it's true. Also apparently Overeem is out of the fight with Werdum. You have to assume that Werdum is more or less ready to go so I wonder if we'll see Werdum/Fedor.

Barnett is appealing the drug test results.

no word on who will step in to face Fedor still.. I don't know if anyone wants such short notice to fight Fedor.

I've heard a few names being tossed around
Apparently Vitor Belfort has said he'll take a fight against Fedor and it's on the Wiki entry for what that's worth.

The other name I heard was Fabricio Werdum since his fight with Overeem was cancelled assuming Strikeforce would let him fight for Affliction (actually they could use it as good advertising for the Gina/Cyborg card)

Funniest suggestion...

http://images.dailyradar.com/media/u...truzelli-4.jpg
Seth Petruzelli! He killed Elite XC! Maybe he can kill Affliction too! :lol:

hmm I don't think I'm that interested in a Fedor/Vitor fight for some reason..

I'm just stoked I get to see Cyborg/Gina brawl it out.. man-child Cyborg may hand Gina a loss.. but we all know who I'm rooting for :lol:

Yeah Fedor/Vitor isn't exactly great but it's really a matter of who else?

how about the boxing champ? :lol:

this is why hopefully Fedor will jump ship to UFC when his contract is up..

how about if couture dumps ufc for a night :) i still wanna see that fight

hmm.. ya know paq, that's a great idea.

that may also give Dana bargaining power when it's time to bring Fedor over from Affliction.

Don Frye is the fucking man!
 

I fucking love Don Frye.

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as long as don frye has a 'stache...he's got an urging to bash..

no 'stache...no bash. mucho stache=mucho bash

hahaha

taht...was....phenomenal and exactly why don frye is the man. Seriously, though, ijust remember his bash fest with the asian guy...basically 2 ruonds of 2 people holding each other's head and punching. Frye won bc of the power of the stache to cushion the blows..

Barnett fails a piss test, Affliction drops the card. Pretty Fugg'd up.

Pretty messed up about what happened with Overeem, hospitalized 5 bouncers and nearly lost his hand to infection.

Riggs is apparently out of his fight with Diaz now too.

Everything that isn't UFC is getting messed up.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news;_yl...yhoo&type=lgns

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At the risk of sounding racist, that is one ugly asian man.

I for one can't wait for the Cyborg/Carano fight... ...to be over. Seriously, This fight is so overhyped. It's not that I not looking forward to seeing them fight.. I'm just tired of seeing Cyborg's ugly mug beside Gina Carano all the damn time.

Cyborg = Wanderlai in a wig

Get used to it. Cyborg is gonna paste Gina.

EDIT (Just got back from the cottage so I hadn't heard when I posted)

Fedor signs with StrikeForce eh?

This could be HUGE for SF.

Anyone think KenFlo has a chance against BJ? I'd love to say yes because I can't stand BJ but really he's just so dominant at LW.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Forrest pulls a shocking upset over Anderson.

I'm thinking forrest pulls the upset, honestly, not sure how.

Ken flo has a GREAT chance against bj right now. penn is crazy good at lw, but i thin kenny will simply out train him and blow him away...if he can avoid getting his head knocked off. i kinda see kenny winning by gnp tko stoppage.

did anyone see bj pissing his pants trying to convince everyone htat gsp is juicing. dude needs to climb down off his cross, tear it down, build a bridge and get over it...

Forrest is super-tough, but doesn't really have the skill set to beat Silva. The only way I see him winning is if the fight goes the way of Forrest - Rampage, where the champ takes waaaay to long to measure Forrest out and falls behind due to inactivity.

However! Forrest is super-tough. Is Silva?

Fuck it, I'm pulling for Forrest. I at least want to see Silva get rocked, just once, to see how he handles it.

I think B.J. will get shredded by Florian.

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maybe Forrest will accidentally step into the ring with BJ and beat the shit out of him instead.

I think Florian will wipe the floor.. seriously.

I'm also pulling for Forrest over Silva. I think Silva deserves a beating after his past few matches.. if there is a decent amount of standup, Silva could easily get knocked out..

Ok, WTF was up with that griffin/Silva fight? Something was way off in that fight. Why the hell did Griffin take off pretty much sprinting backstage? It's just uncharacteristic for griffin to go out like that.

i thought that was really weird as well. griffin almost always gets a post fight interview.

Medical attention. He thought his jaw was broken (turns out it was dislocated) and couldn't hear out of one ear.
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/8/9/...iffin-from-the

Daaaamn, it really was weird how quickly he ran out, but if all those injuries came from those few punches I'd hurry my ass outta there too.

I did not expect BJ to take KenFlo so easily on the floor. Definitely my favorite fight of the night.

funny how dana white gave the FOTN to sylva/griffin as a kinda "sorry about feeding you to sylva" gift to griffin...

Ken flo/bj was a great fight and seriously showed just how good bj is...at 155. dude needs to stop whining and just stay in teh right weight class. I dont' think anyone really expected a 4th round submission from a penn who didn't gas...

I wonder if forrest is getting tired of having black guys dance in his face?

that roop vs greek guy was just a BJJ clinic...crazy stuff

have to admit I'm shocked that BJ won like that..and super shocked that Forrest didn't do anything.

Well, now that I've had time to pull my foot out of my mouth, I'll just say wow. For Silva to show so much power against Griffin was pretty amazing. And BJ looked sorta' prodigy-ish again. Go figure. Florian made a decent showing, I guess. But totally out-classed.

it seriously amazes me at how over the top amazing both penn and silva are...penn just gases out against hte bigger guys, and silva ..i just don't know what silva does, but it's amazing. Seriously, hes' dancing, playing around, BAM, dropped griffin..did it again..and again..

i mean, diego/penn 'could' be an upset for diego...maybe..but i dunno..

silva...i don't really know who will beat him. hendo has agood chance wtih the wrestling, but marq thought that too...and ended up tapping to elbows to the head while defending a deep triangle choke...

so really, who knows...

That pretty much explains the oddity. I mean if his jaw got dislocated early that love tap to the chin that sent him to that floor the final time probably felt a whole hell of a lot worse than it looked.

That's been debunked.

Forrest Griffin’s Jaw Not Injured In UFC 101 KO Loss to Anderson Silva | MMAFrenzy.com

I'm calling a Cyborg win by unanimous decision over Carano. What do you guys think?

yeah I'm pretty sure Cyborg is gonna beat the shit out of the princess.. sadly

...but a great round none-the-less. Carano looked like she was starting to get gassed in the last minute. I don't think it would have lasted much longer if it had gone to the second round.

I expected Cyborg to win. I don't think there's anyone around at the moment that can beat her without her making a huge mistake or some puncher's luck. I thought Carano was going to make it to the second round.. Well I guess she would have if rounds were 3 minutes each as I expected. :)

I'm Surprised Babalu got KTFO so quick. I tip my hat to Mousasi for stopping the beating before the ref even stepped in.

babalu got KTFO...first loss i've seen him in since liddell. Mousasi knew he had that fight won.

Cyborg was just reigning power punches down at the end of the first round, gina would not have gotten up for the second. I kept seeing little stars pop up for cyborg (punchout reference)...freaking awesome display of how to dominate someone. There have been suggestions cyborg was juicing and greasing :)

don't let BJ hear that Cyborg was greasing..

:lol:

i'm kidding, although there are always rumors of steroids.

did you see penn whining that GSP was on roids bc he always looks ripped and shredded....saying something like "we train, we get skinny, we fight,t hen we get fat until the next fight"... I like his fights, love that he really is that good..at 155..but he just needs to stfu

BJ is just a douche.. or I guess he's a cock.

get it?? BJ.. cock..

uugh that was too stupid even for me.

Looks like the next few events are finally starting to shape up.
103 - Franklin vs Belfort, CroCop vs dos Santos
104 - Machida vs Rua, Velasquez vs Rothwell
105 - Bisping vs ??? (England event no shock that Bisping is headlining)
106 - Lesnar vs Carwin, Coleman vs Ortiz
107 - Rampage vs Rashad, battle of the Thiagos - Thiago Alves vs Paulo Thiago

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I didn't see it, but just read the summary. It appears that the crowd and analysts agreed with you. MMA, which self promotes as a fairer version of combat than Boxing, has not appeared to such in all big fights (I personally thought Rampage beat Griffin a couple years ago, but he lost the title in a decision).

I disagree, I thought Machida won three rounds to Shogun's two. Machida definetly won rounds 1 and 3.
I'm also a believer that to be awarded the belt by decision you have to clearly beat the champion and Shogun didn't.

not to be too disagreeable, but every outlet and fightmetrics.com called the match for rua..some as much as 50/45 or 49/46. I could not see how machida won at all.

I'm basing it off the same thing the judges were, watching the actual fight not the post-fight stuff like fightmetrics.
Most of the kicks Rua threw Machida was throwing counters for in the first three rounds. IMO Machida definetly won rounds 1 and 3, and probably won round 2. Shogun won rounds 4 and 5.

I get the people who have Shogun winning 48-47, but the ones that have him winning 50-45 is just stupid. There is absolutely no way he lost round 3.

I thought it was a great fight, I could see round two going either way but I agreed with 1 and 3 going to Machida. The commentary was biased as all hell. Joe Rogan was way up Rua's ass. People think that because Rua took it to Machida the last two rounds that he won. That's not how the point system works. I give tons of credit to Rua for that fight, I was expecting Machida to walk all over him.

I am looking forward to the rematch.

Sometimes Rogan's good sometimes not so much. It seemed like everytime Rua would throw a kick in the first few rounds, he'd eat a punch or two yet Rogan was totally focused on the kicks.

No question Rua won 4 and 5 though.

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That was such a massive right hand by Fedor.. holy shit. I don't know how Rogers didn't get KOed.

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I dont even know why Gus Johnson asked if Fedor would do a rematch...Fedor dominated that fight and the cut was just some scar tissue opening up. Fedor bleeds if you look at him wrong.

to be fair, rogers had some good gnp on fedor. the nose cut/break was not 'that' devastating bc it really can happen bc of the angle, etc. and while it hurts, it's not exactly enough to make you wanna stop. I used to see that type of break in barfights all the time.

if you watch the slowmo, you'll see rogers' eyes go waaaaayyy back in the head from the ko punch, he just recovered pretty easily. i was shocked the ref didn't stop the fight earlier.

however, at no point in that match would i ever say rogers was dominating enough for a rematch. I have heard rumors the next fight would be fedor against werdum...but that does not even come close to getting me excited after watching werdum tonight. Overeem is still mia with the title.

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/6...soutrogers.gif

Yeah, Rogers got a few big hits in on the ground. I don't know what was up with the rematch question either. I like Rogers but it really didn't seem like the fight was worthy of a rematch.

Strikeforce has a crappy play-by-play announcer and color commentator though.. So how'd you score that round? I dunno.. sigh

With the exception of the Shields/Miller fight that was a fantastic show and what a KO by Fedor.
Guess they've got a great highlight to hype Fedor next time he's on TV.

It was also nice to see two HW's go three rounds without gassing unlike almost everyone in the Ultimate Fighter this season.

This.

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Really though, there's no way Nelson should get beaten by any of these guys.

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roy nelson has been a favorite to win. Heck, he's actually 'good' until you put him up with a top ranked heavyweight. He rocked AArlovski before eventually losing, but he's surprisingly good....
i still hate him, but he's the favorite to win. I personally think rampage's boy will surprise a lot of people. that guy has some skill on the mat and he's big enough to just muscle people around. I'd love to see him just roll over nelson like nothing.

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Nelson did not win that fight. at all
he lost the first round conclusively and the 2nd was ..hell, he still lost the second. i put this judging up there wtih matt hamill vs bisping. someone was paid off

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couture or ortiz would simply hold nelson against the cage for 2-3 minutes, then when he's gassed, just pass guard and gnp until the ref stops it. Im' feelin that about any of these heavyweights. rampage's winner dude is the only one who didn't seem to be struggling to breathe by the end of the first couple of minutes. this reminds me of TUF 3 with shammy's team doing absolutely no cardio...but i don't know if these guys aren't doing it or just haven't built it up.

I havent watched it yet but if you are saying its as bad as that then damn, that's some poor judging.

the fight was good, only in the fact that the dude whooped nelson's ass for the first round.. i think dana white said it best...nelson was in an exciting fight bc he was getting destroyed the first round and the day he is in an exciting fight that 'he' made exciting..is the day he'll get props.

Seriously, he did nothing spectacular in the 2nd round except not look as gassed as the other dude. the other guy was still landing and doing more, but was looking more tired, dropping hands, resting them on his thighs, etc. I think the judges saw that and thought he was mroe hurt or something.

it was a bs call. everyone said it should have been 'at least' another round. There is no way nelson even came close to winning the first round.

No way was that along the lines of Bisping/Hammil. I thought Wren won the first but it wasn't exactly dominant. With the exception of the one flurry where he tagged Nelson a few times, the round was pretty even. Wren was throwing alot more punches but only a few actually landed. Nelson was landing alot of shots too.
Nelson definetly won the second round and I have no doubt that he would have taken the third (I think there should have been a third) too.

I'm also curious to see what Nelson does in the semi-finals. He said in interviews that he was trying to do just enough to win the prelims and quarterfinals so that he'd be in good shape for the semi-final. I really want to see more from Nelson though, I mean he was kicking Arlovski's ass on the ground until the ref stood the fight up way to quickly and Nelson got KO'ed.

As far as Dana's comments, well Dana has zero crediblity for me. Sometimes I want to know what world Dana lives in. Wren is dominant in one flurry for the round and suddenly he's kicking Roy's ass for the entire round. This is the same guy who says two guys throwing bombs for thirty seconds then gassing and looking like shit for the rest of the fight was an awesome fight.

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Yes one dominant flurry. Watch every other exchange. While Wren threw alot of punches only a few of them would land, whereas Nelson only threw one punch at a time but most of them landed flush on Wren's face. Like I said, I thought Wren won the round but he hardly dominated it.

As far as Nelson condition, he's actually in pretty decent shape he's just got a huge gut. His cardio's better than most heavyweights and he has better BJJ than most of the UFC's current HWs.

As far as Rogers goes, apparently he doesn't know that Fedor has had worse than a cut on the nose and still won (I'm thinking when Randleman dropped him on his head). I credit Rogers for doing better than I thought he would, but he lost. He doesn't deserve a rematch unless he can rack up a winstreak and challenge Fedor for the belt (assuming Overeem finds his balls actually defends the belt).

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They really need to force Overeem to defend or be stripped. Although this might show why Overeem isn't excited about fighting in the US...

http://nuke.toosa.net/~ligur/Overeem-Timeline.jpg

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Well 105 was decent save the main event. Watching Randy hold Vera against the cage for the better part of 15 minutes was a pretty boring thing to watch.

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