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Ilow 08-04-2008 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by kutulu (Post 2499309)
I think you guys will like Bay. His career OPS+ is 131.

As for Manny, I had not heard about the incident with their secretary. That's fucked up. It was great to see him GIDP in the 9th. The crowd went silent. He also misplayed a single into a triple. He did run his ground balls out though.

The combination of Manny and Jones in LF and CF is wretched defensively. If Torre would just sit Pierre and Jones for the rest of the year and go with Kemp and Ethier in CF and RF they could probably mitigate most of Manny's defensive shortcomings.

Bay is a good looking player and I think having good hitters around him will be positive influence on him, not just because he'll get more hittable pitches, bu also because he'll possibly learn to be even more selective at the plate. The BoSox are all about OBP and with at least a good top 6 or 7 hitters, someone should be able to knock him in.
Manny is a pretty terrible fielder away from Fenway (where he's sort of average). You're welcome LA. Derek Lowe should be thankful he's a ground ball pitcher with those guys.
The incident with Jack McCormick (the traveling secretary, a 64-year-old man, and allegedly very nice guy) was totally inexcusable and really soured a lot of people on Manny being Manny.

Halx 08-04-2008 05:45 AM

I'm lovin' Manny in LA, guys. Talk shit all you want. :)

kutulu 08-04-2008 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Halx (Post 2500426)
I'm lovin' Manny in LA, guys. Talk shit all you want. :)

The Bums are still in second place. Manny won't save them. They also have the tougher schedule finishing off the season.

I have plenty of respect about Manny's abilities but damn, I put him on the level of Barry Bonds now. Boston is three back right now, could they be closer if Manny had not quit on the team?

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Originally Posted by Ilow
Bay is a good looking player and I think having good hitters around him will be positive influence on him, not just because he'll get more hittable pitches, bu also because he'll possibly learn to be even more selective at the plate. The BoSox are all about OBP and with at least a good top 6 or 7 hitters, someone should be able to knock him in.

I'm not sure how much more selective he can be. He's on track to draw about 90 walks this season. He's done that two other times in his career. Bay's only problem is that he's spent his entire career to this point playing for the Pirates. It's hard to get any attention when your team hasn't make the playoffs in 15 years. He's not a superstar but few players are.

Nady is on fire. 1.313 OPS since joining the Yanks.

kutulu 08-06-2008 08:25 AM

The DBacks got Haren to agree to a contract extension. He will now be under their control for an additional two years plus a team option:

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The contract takes the place of his previous deal, in which he was signed through 2009 with a team option for 2010. Because 2010 wasn't a guaranteed year, his new deal essentially guarantees him an additional $39.25 million.

Haren will receive salaries of $7.5 million and $8.25 million in the first two years of the deal. He'll get $12.75 million per year in 2011 and 2012.
This is an amazing deal.

djtestudo 08-06-2008 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by kutulu (Post 2501897)
The DBacks got Haren to agree to a contract extension. He will now be under their control for an additional two years plus a team option:



This is an amazing deal.

They also apparently pulled an agreed-to extension offer for Webb. Interesting.

jorgelito 08-06-2008 12:12 PM

It looks like Bay and Manny had good weekends and helped their teams. Should be an interesting end run.

kutulu 08-06-2008 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by djtestudo (Post 2501961)
They also apparently pulled an agreed-to extension offer for Webb. Interesting.

The situation with Webb is interesting, to say the least. According to what I've read, they were going to add 3 years and $54M and maybe an option amount. Supposedly the number of years and dollars were agreed to but there were little things that got in the way.

Who knows what it was about but it could be incentives or how the extra money was to be distributed or whatever.

A few months back, Webb's agent started posting on some message boards about the contract situation. That was odd.

mannin52 08-10-2008 07:47 AM

MLB Baseball Predictions
 
AL
Tampa Bay
Chicago
LA
Boston

LA beats Boston
Tampa Bay beats Chicago

LA beats Tampa Bay to advance to the WS

NL
Phillies
Cubbies
Brewers
Dodgers

Phillies over Brewers
Cubbies over the Dodgers
Cubbies beat Phillies to advance to the WS

Cubbies win the World Series

pan6467 08-12-2008 11:43 AM

Paul Byrd goes to Bosux for a player to be named or cash

Adam Dunn traded for bullshit to Arizona.....

These teams better spend money this free agent year.

kutulu 08-12-2008 12:07 PM

I'm excited about the Dunn trade. I've been a fan of him for quite some time. He should help out a bunch down the stretch. I wouldn't call the trade bullshit yet. They got Dallas Buck back and to PTBNLs. We'll have to wait and see who they are.

They have quite a basketball team now:

Rauch - 6-11
Johnson - 6-10
Clark 6-7
Dunn - 6-6
Qualls - 6-5
-----Added 12/8/2008 at 07 : 45 : 56-----
Ortiz hit 2 HR in the first inning today. Wow.

djtestudo 08-12-2008 05:45 PM

Rumors (from MLBTradeRumors) are that both PTBNL are on the 40-man roster, and at least one was claimed: Micah Owings. The other is supposed to be a position player.

Intriguing.

QuasiMondo 08-12-2008 06:36 PM

This just in:

The Detroit Tigers have placed DH Gary Sheffield on waivers.

djtestudo 08-12-2008 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by QuasiMondo (Post 2505981)
This just in:

The Detroit Tigers have placed DH Gary Sheffield on waivers.

And in other news, the Detroit Tigers have placed everyone on waivers, along with every player on every 40-man roster in August :lol:

I know why it is getting play right now, but this isn't exactly an unusual situation.

kutulu 08-13-2008 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by djtestudo (Post 2505943)
Rumors (from MLBTradeRumors) are that both PTBNL are on the 40-man roster, and at least one was claimed: Micah Owings. The other is supposed to be a position player.

Intriguing.

Yes, Owings is one of them. Wow. I'm not sure what to make of it. He's shown that he can dominate at times. However, he doesn't have a third pitch and he gets hammered a lot. He's basically sucked since May. It is looking like he may need to work as a relief pitcher in order to be successful. He also might have a shoulder injury.

jorgelito 08-13-2008 09:47 AM

Man the Red Sox-Ranger game was crazy!! What a slugfest. I thought the 1st inning was incredible. However, the game was still a cause for concern. While I love that our bats lit it up, I am worried about the pitching. Anaheim and Tampa will crush us if we allow that kind of hitting.

djtestudo 08-13-2008 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jorgelito (Post 2506306)
Man the Red Sox-Ranger game was crazy!! What a slugfest. I thought the 1st inning was incredible. However, the game was still a cause for concern. While I love that our bats lit it up, I am worried about the pitching. Anaheim and Tampa will crush us if we allow that kind of hitting.

Everybody has a game like that every so often. Anaheim just got one-hit over eight innings by Chris Waters (if you are asking "who?", that's the point :lol:).

Boston will be fine.

Ilow 08-14-2008 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by djtestudo (Post 2506507)
Everybody has a game like that every so often. Anaheim just got one-hit over eight innings by Chris Waters (if you are asking "who?", that's the point :lol:).

Boston will be fine.

Yeah, I agree with this. The amazing thing is that after some of these absurd games, you often get those 2-1 or 1-0 games. I hope that these 3 games vs the Rangers haven't demoralized Texas too much, I think Tampa Bay is going there next...

kutulu 08-27-2008 01:51 PM

Scott Boras has sunk to a new low:

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Originally Posted by ESPN
The Pittsburgh Pirates' signing of Pedro Alvarez, the No. 2 pick in the baseball's amateur draft, may be in jeopardy.

The Pirates on Wednesday announced that at the team's request, Major League Baseball has placed Alvarez on the restricted list because Alvarez's agent, Scott Boras, informed the team that Alvarez would not sign the contract and wants it renegotiated.

In a related development, the case has been forwarded to the players' association, which plans to file a grievance against Major League Baseball, claiming that the Alvarez contract was approved in violation of the collective bargaining agreement. The union claims that Alvarez agreed to his contract after the Aug. 15 midnight deadline. It's possible for clubs to receive an extension in negotiations, but only with the players' association approval.

The team, in a prepared statement, said it was informed by Boras that Alvarez, a highly-touted third baseman who played at Vanderbilt, would not report to the team until the team renegotiated his contract and agreed to pay him more than the $6 million signing bonus to which he agreed.

Boras also claimed that the contract was agreed to after the deadline, the team said.

"This claim was not raised on the evening of the 15th when we informed Mr. Boras that Major League Baseball had confirmed that the contract was submitted in a timely fashion," the team said. "Mr. Boras asserted this claim several days later, after all of the draft signings had become publicized."

"Regrettably, we are not surprised that Mr. Boras would attempt to raise a meritless legal claim in an effort to compel us to renegotiate Pedro's contract to one more to his liking," the team said. "We are, however, disappointed that Pedro would allow his agent to pursue this claim on his behalf. "

Boras, reached by ESPN.com, said the matter was a dispute between Major League Baseball and the players' association.

"Pedro Alvarez never received a contract from the Pittsburgh Pirates," Boras told ESPN.com's Jerry Crasnick. "We're awaiting the determination of a grievance filed by the union against the commissioner's office."

The team also said it had been assured by the commissioner's office that it's contract with Alvarez is a valid, and that MLB "will vigorously defend any claim to the contrary."

The Pirates bypassed Boras clients previously because they were unwilling to meet his demands for signing bonuses over the slotting system designed when Pirates president Frank Coonelly was a labor lawyer for MLB.

Once Coonelly accepted the Pirates job, he and general manager Neal Huntington said the team would not be scared off by Boras-represented clients and would draft players based on their ability, not their agent.

The signing of Alvarez has been seen as crucial to the future of the Pirates, who are headed for their 16th consecutive losing season. The team's previous management had been criticized for lackluster scouting and drafting, and the signing of Alvarez offered the new management team a chance to break from that history.


Ilow 08-27-2008 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by kutulu (Post 2514211)
Scott Boras has sunk to a new low:

You are unfortunately completely right. This guy is downright awful for baseball. each time you think he reaches rock bottom, he starts digging. It's one thing to leverage, cajole, negotiate, lie, etc as he always done during contract negotiations, but trying to renegotiate because he didn't thoroughly screw a team is asinine. Especially the Pirates. I am surprised that they even drafted a guy represented by him, knowing how tight their budget is and how he is notorious for fucking people...

Glory's Sun 08-28-2008 07:15 AM

News Flash.. Bora's Sucks. DUH.

In other news.. looks like we can finally have another skankee free playoffs.

Halx 08-28-2008 07:16 AM

Dodgers in a nosedive... I hold my head in my hands.

kutulu 08-28-2008 08:20 AM

The DBacks and Dodgers are trying so hard to let the other team take control but neither will step up.

mannin52 08-30-2008 06:03 AM

Looks like the Dbacks are ready to take this. And a heads up, they'll be playing the Cubbies, and I smell an upset. In a short series against the Dbacks, you'll have to face Webb, Haren, and Johnson. Scary.

Ilow 08-30-2008 10:30 PM

Man, I am very impressed that the Rays have really been able to hang in there with all their injuries. The Red Sox have won 5 of 6 and 8 of 11 and didn't make up any ground.

jorgelito 08-31-2008 01:24 AM

Yeah the freakin Rays are hot! But hey, they may melt in the playoffs like the Mariners did. At least the Sox got some experience. I'm more worried about the pitching situation though.

Glory's Sun 09-04-2008 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by jorgelito (Post 2515946)
Yeah the freakin Rays are hot! But hey, they may melt in the playoffs like the Mariners did. At least the Sox got some experience. I'm more worried about the pitching situation though.

My how a few days changes the race completely :thumbsup:

Freakin' Pedroia.. who woulda thunk it??! Holy shit that kid is tearin it up in the cleanup spot. ROTY and now a possible MVP. I'd say this is just more proof that Boston has a killer farm system.

djtestudo 09-04-2008 12:23 PM

Pedroia as MVP over Quentin and Rodriguez would be terrible, almost as bad as Rollins winning over Holliday and Fielder in the NL last year.

I'd put him in the running, because he has been ridiculous since mid-June on a team that is making a run, but I wouldn't put him higher than third. Hell, depending on how much one takes team performance into account, I'd put Aubrey Huff in the mix (though not very high since he hasn't played much defense). He has the same number of doubles AND triples as Pedroia (the speedy middle-infielder :lol:) in fewer at-bats.

My order right now would be:

Quentin
Rodriguez
Hamilton
Sizemore
Pedroia
Dye
Pena
Huff
Granderson
Longoria

jorgelito 09-04-2008 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by guccilvr (Post 2518372)
My how a few days changes the race completely :thumbsup:

Freakin' Pedroia.. who woulda thunk it??! Holy shit that kid is tearin it up in the cleanup spot. ROTY and now a possible MVP. I'd say this is just more proof that Boston has a killer farm system.

That's baseball for you! Still, I have concerns about the pitching. Maybe I'm a worry wart but that's kind of part of the fun. Can the pitching hold throughout the playoffs? Will the bats hold against Tampa Bay and Los Angeles? This past season agains the two teams hasn't been exactly a good run. Our main advantage is experience at the moment. The bats will have their hands full with the Rays and Angels pitching but have a good chance I think to do well in a series. Our pitcher?...I dunno. That's what makes me uneasy.

Glory's Sun 09-05-2008 07:51 AM

Well the good thing for the red sox is they are starting to get people back. Drew and Lowell will be a welcome sight for Francona I'm sure. Pitching is a question, but if Beckett can work out the issues, then we should be good for a series type run. Beckett, Lester and Matsuzaka.

Bats should be fine, I think there's a rhythm starting to happen in the lineup. Once Youk gets over the back issues, it's lights out.

kutulu 09-05-2008 01:26 PM

Rumors persist that MLB allowed the Dodgers, Sox, and Pirates to have at least an extra half hour to complete their trade.

MLB helping out the big markets? Unpossible!

djtestudo 09-05-2008 03:58 PM

The Orioles picked up manager Dave Trembley's option for the 2009 season today, and added an option for 2010.

This isn't normally that newsworthy, except that when the team picked up the option for 2008 last September, the team promptly lost the game that evening 30-3.

So needless to say, I'm not watching the game tonight :lol:

Ilow 09-05-2008 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by djtestudo (Post 2519499)
The Orioles picked up manager Dave Trembley's option for the 2009 season today, and added an option for 2010.

This isn't normally that newsworthy, except that when the team picked up the option for 2008 last September, the team promptly lost the game that evening 30-3.

So needless to say, I'm not watching the game tonight :lol:

I wouldn't worry about them losing this game as much as I would worry about them losing most of their future games. What the hell made them think that now would be a good time to resign him? I mean apart from the fact that they have one of the three or four worst records in the AL and have lost nine of their last ten, why wouldn't they wait until the end of the year? Maybe they just wanted to end the (probably justifiable) speculation that he would be sacked. I have to say that from a relative outsider's perspective, the O's front office doesn't really seem to have a good plan for how to significantly improve this team. They have good fans amd plenty of resources, they really have no business battling the Royals and Mariners for the AL cellar.

Halx 09-05-2008 06:15 PM

Dodgers have a golden opportunity to take control of the NL West this weekend. Lets see how well they do against Arizona.

Mister Coaster 09-05-2008 08:20 PM

OK numbers guys, I need your help... I know I said I was staying out of this topic, but I have a question.

Relief pitcher Justin Spier for my Halos has a 'stellar' 1-7 record this season. It seems as if whenever he has a chance to lose a game, Scioscia makes the call for him, and he gives up the game losing home run (or lead off triple or whatever) His ERA is over 5, and he has been essentially effective only when the opposing team already has a big lead. Why would a guy with apparently shitty numbers like this still have a job in the bigs? Especially considering they have some real talent in the minors...

BTW, go Angels!

jorgelito 09-06-2008 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by guccilvr (Post 2519189)
Well the good thing for the red sox is they are starting to get people back. Drew and Lowell will be a welcome sight for Francona I'm sure. Pitching is a question, but if Beckett can work out the issues, then we should be good for a series type run. Beckett, Lester and Matsuzaka.

Bats should be fine, I think there's a rhythm starting to happen in the lineup. Once Youk gets over the back issues, it's lights out.

Hehe, still doesn't help my nerves any. But I am glad we are inching closer. 2.5 games back. It;s still mathematically possible to take the division. *faint*

djtestudo 09-06-2008 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mister Coaster (Post 2519636)
OK numbers guys, I need your help... I know I said I was staying out of this topic, but I have a question.

Relief pitcher Justin Spier for my Halos has a 'stellar' 1-7 record this season. It seems as if whenever he has a chance to lose a game, Scioscia makes the call for him, and he gives up the game losing home run (or lead off triple or whatever) His ERA is over 5, and he has been essentially effective only when the opposing team already has a big lead. Why would a guy with apparently shitty numbers like this still have a job in the bigs? Especially considering they have some real talent in the minors...

BTW, go Angels!

Justin Speier Statistics - Baseball-Reference.com

The three consecutive years of sub-three ERAs, probably. Plus, he's signed for two more years at $10 million.

Relievers tend to fluctuate year-to-year anyway. My guess is he'll be much better next year.

Doesn't help much if he's coming in to face Quentin and Dye, or Longoria and Pena, or Ortiz and Bay in the playoffs THIS year, though :lol:

Mister Coaster 09-06-2008 07:07 PM

Well, next year is next year. As for this year, he just went to 1-8 by giving up a game losing home run in extra innings. Grumble.

Halx 09-10-2008 10:27 AM

Dodgers win 9 of their last 10 to vault into first place in the woeful West. With 17 more games to go, all against teams under .500, if they falter, it will be nobody's fault but their own. Andre Ethier is lighting it up hitting in front of Manny. Things are looking good.

Glory's Sun 09-10-2008 12:50 PM

it's only a matter of time before the Red Sox take over the AL East

QuasiMondo 09-10-2008 04:46 PM

Things that make you say, 'Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm........"
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3...o/ff0e3b6b.jpg

djtestudo 09-11-2008 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by QuasiMondo (Post 2522082)
Things that make you say, 'Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm........"
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3...o/ff0e3b6b.jpg

So...your saying that Delgado is on his current tear because he told Jobu to go fuck himself? :lol:

guy44 09-14-2008 06:52 PM

ZAMBRANOOOOOOOOO!

Oh man oh man oh man oh man.

No-hitter.

I'm speechless.

Naturally, the Cubs had to play an away game against the Houston Astros in Milwaukee for this to take place, but hot damn that was awesome.

Today, the Brewers got swept in a double-header and are now tied for the wildcard. The team they've been chasing all season played a game in their ballpark, which was filled entirely with Cubs fans. The Cubs starter pitched a no-hitter. Today, it must really suck to be a Brewers fan.

But great for us Chicago guys!

P.S. Plus the White Sox are about to sweep a double-header and the Twins lost. I can't believe I moved away from Chicago last month!

djtestudo 09-15-2008 04:03 PM

And in today's evidence that baseball people often don't understand baseball...the Brewers fired manager Ned Yost today.

Sure, they've lost 11 of 13. But before that they won 18 of 23 dating back to Aug. 5.

They are losing because they are no longer hitting: a 150-point drop in OPS between August and September.

They are losing because they are no longer pitching: a 2.53 ERA in August becoming a 4.68 ERA in September. The starters' ERA has doubled (2.49 to 5.03).

They are NOT losing because of some flaw in Ned Yost's ability to manage.

Why don't lifelong baseball insiders understand the concept of the streak beyond Joe DiMaggio or Orel Hershiser?

Glory's Sun 09-16-2008 08:04 AM

I agree completely dj. I simply can't wrap my head around the Yost firing. Why would an Owner want to create this kind of atmosphere when there are only 12 games left and a wild card spot in the mix??

In other news, the Red Sox blasted Kazmir last night to pull into a tie for the AL East. :)

Ilow 09-16-2008 05:57 PM

Yup, DJ, I also concur. This was ridiculous. Did they really think that the upheaval that this caused would be outweighed by a possible bump due to the shakeup? The guy doesn't exactly have a New York Mets payroll, and although they have made some great acquisitions, I thought he was doing a pretty good job with what he had. Bottom line is, do you really think that Dale "wave 'em in" Sveum is an improvement!!??

jorgelito 09-16-2008 07:11 PM

Damn Red Sox!! Too much drama, can we please pull away in the division? Like now?

The_Jazz 09-17-2008 07:43 AM

Its been a nice 3 days for the Cubs. 1 hit over 18 innings over the Stro's then beat CC for the first time in the NL. Magic number stands at 4 and I've got permission to get tickets.

Glory's Sun 09-17-2008 08:16 AM

The cubs are pissin me off.. I would have bet all my Lehman stock they would have imploded by now. Oh well at least there's the playoff's :p

If Boston can ever win a series against those goddamn rays maybe just maybe we could have a Boston/Cubs Series

QuasiMondo 09-17-2008 08:42 PM

Eight relievers. The Mets had to use eight relievers to scratch out a win against the Washington Nationals, the bad news bears of the NL East. This does not bode well for them should they make it into the postseason.

jorgelito 09-17-2008 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by guccilvr (Post 2526127)
The cubs are pissin me off.. I would have bet all my Lehman stock they would have imploded by now. Oh well at least there's the playoff's :p

If Boston can ever win a series against those goddamn rays maybe just maybe we could have a Boston/Cubs Series

*sigh* Here we go again, the run up to the post season fraught with anxiety and drama. Talk about your heart attacks. We can't even eke out a series win at the end run here to gain some momentum going into the playoffs. I was worried about the Angels before. Now I'm worried about the Rays too.

The_Jazz 09-18-2008 05:44 AM

Boy, do the Mets just want to go home for the winter? That is one uninspired ballclub.

QuasiMondo 09-18-2008 08:27 AM

I won't go that far to say they're uninspired like they were last year. Jerry's done a great job keeping them in the hunt, I'll give him credit him for that. They've shown guts with late inning offense (which they never did) and some impressive fielding (which they never had). But he can only do so much with that cruel imitation of a bullpen. They sure know how to suck the life out of a rally.

QuasiMondo 09-24-2008 08:42 PM

There will be no baseball in New York in October.

Halx 09-25-2008 03:35 AM

I was rooting for the Mets, only because of the possibility of the Dodgers coming to New York for a few games. Oh well. Guess I watch on TV.

The magic number is 1!

djtestudo 09-26-2008 12:27 PM

Just remember, all of you guys watching your teams "collapse" or otherwise fall to the wayside in the playoff race: since winning on Aug. 17 to come within two games of .500, the Orioles have gone 6-28 while completely giving up.

So, it could be worse.

Glory's Sun 09-26-2008 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by djtestudo (Post 2532844)
Just remember, all of you guys watching your teams "collapse" or otherwise fall to the wayside in the playoff race: since winning on Aug. 17 to come within two games of .500, the Orioles have gone 6-28 while completely giving up.

So, it could be worse.

and here I was hoping the O's could try a little bit in order to stop the rays..

QuasiMondo 09-26-2008 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by djtestudo (Post 2532844)
Just remember, all of you guys watching your teams "collapse" or otherwise fall to the wayside in the playoff race: since winning on Aug. 17 to come within two games of .500, the Orioles have gone 6-28 while completely giving up.

So, it could be worse.


I really don't know what's worse. Your team throwing in the towel before they have a chance, or your team toying with your emotions by getting tantalizingly close before throwing it away.

pan6467 09-26-2008 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by QuasiMondo (Post 2533137)
I really don't know what's worse. Your team throwing in the towel before they have a chance, or your team toying with your emotions by getting tantalizingly close before throwing it away.

I think giving up to early. Since trading CC and Blake the Indians had one of the best records in baseball. You figure CC may have given a few more wins, a couple close losses may have gone differently and being in the AL Central.... who knows?

On the other hand, did the trades inspire the rest of the team to do well? Did you get rid of cancers, that may have been unhappy they were in Cleveland or just not "team" oriented and their trades allowed the clubhouse to become a more relaxed environment?

Easy to say Shapiro may have given up too soon and that the past few years have shown it's not until after the All Star break that the team puts on the gas and blows everyone else away. But the truth is maybe the trades sparked the play.

It's a tough call. I tend to believe the latter.

Bear Cub 09-26-2008 10:46 PM

I can't take this shit again.

Everyone in the entire Mets organization needs to partake in a mass suicide if they lose the Wild Card slot.

QuasiMondo 09-27-2008 08:56 AM

Not everyone, just the failpen. They cost Willie Randolph his job, they cost Johan Santana a Cy Young, and now they're going to cost the team a playoff berth. They should be afraid to walk down a Queens street.
-----Added 27/9/2008 at 04 : 38 : 56-----
Santana is the man. A complete three-hit shutout on three-days rest. If only the mets had five Santanas in the rotation and five more in the bullpen, they'd be unstoppable.

QuasiMondo 09-28-2008 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by QuasiMondo (Post 2531418)
There will be no baseball in New York in October.

I hate it when I'm right.

djtestudo 09-28-2008 06:58 PM

You know what's interesting about the Mets?

Their bullpen ERA in September is in the same range it has been all season (and is actually ~.6 runs better then August), yet the starters ERA has gone from 3.24 and 3.27 in July and August to 4.64.

I count nine bad starts (non-"quality") in September between Pedro, Pelfry, Perez, and Niese. The bullpen only blew one of Santana's games in September (that's something I've heard in a couple places: that they have blown several of his starts late), and you have to go back to the beginning of August for any more.

Their bullpen didn't pitch well in September, but they also didn't pitch any worse then they did the rest of the season. The starters collapsed, except for Santana, just like in 2007.

QuasiMondo 09-28-2008 09:47 PM

The bullpen hasn't pitched well all season. Here's the most telling stat (through August):

Run differential, Innings 1-6: +118
Run differential, Innings 7-9+: -49

Over the final 17 games of the season, the bullpen had an ERA of 6.56. Jerry Manuel used on average 4.4 relievers per game. Just listing the overall ERA doesn't do justice to how bad this bullpen was. The only pitcher who could get both sides of the plate out was Billy Wagner. Everybody else was pretty much a situational guy who's only good at working one side of the plate. If you look at the BAA between RH and LH hitters for each pitcher, you'd see what I'm talking about, and how easily they were exploited by opposing managers.

Through early August, Johan Santana walked away with seven no-decisions, five of them coming after he walked off the mound giving up two runs or less. Other starters have had similar results. I'll admit, the starters do have their problems. Perez is way too inconsistent and Pedro seems to be out of gas, especially after trying to fight through injuries and his father's death. But Santana is spot on, Maine was spot on until he got hurt, and Pelfrey settled in quite nicely in the second half.

The bottom line is this: Out of all the problems the Mets had, their bullpen was the most devastating. It's taken them out of games, it's cost Santana a Cy Young, and in the end, it cost them a play of berth. Minaya needs to make fixing the bullpen he neglected his top priority. I don't care if they don't sign C.C. or Texeria. They have solid hitters, solid defense, and solid pitching. If the bullpen had held on to even one lead, I wouldn't be singing this sad song.

djtestudo 09-30-2008 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuasiMondo (Post 2534363)
The bullpen hasn't pitched well all season. Here's the most telling stat (through August):

Run differential, Innings 1-6: +118
Run differential, Innings 7-9+: -49

Over the final 17 games of the season, the bullpen had an ERA of 6.56. Jerry Manuel used on average 4.4 relievers per game. Just listing the overall ERA doesn't do justice to how bad this bullpen was. The only pitcher who could get both sides of the plate out was Billy Wagner. Everybody else was pretty much a situational guy who's only good at working one side of the plate. If you look at the BAA between RH and LH hitters for each pitcher, you'd see what I'm talking about, and how easily they were exploited by opposing managers.

Through early August, Johan Santana walked away with seven no-decisions, five of them coming after he walked off the mound giving up two runs or less. Other starters have had similar results. I'll admit, the starters do have their problems. Perez is way too inconsistent and Pedro seems to be out of gas, especially after trying to fight through injuries and his father's death. But Santana is spot on, Maine was spot on until he got hurt, and Pelfrey settled in quite nicely in the second half.

The bottom line is this: Out of all the problems the Mets had, their bullpen was the most devastating. It's taken them out of games, it's cost Santana a Cy Young, and in the end, it cost them a play of berth. Minaya needs to make fixing the bullpen he neglected his top priority. I don't care if they don't sign C.C. or Texeria. They have solid hitters, solid defense, and solid pitching. If the bullpen had held on to even one lead, I wouldn't be singing this sad song.

I don't want it to sound like I think the Mets' bullpen was any good, because I don't. It's just not the reason the team fell apart at the end. They pitched just as "well" (relatively speaking, of course) in September as in most of the season.

It didn't cost Santana a Cy Young, since if there is any justice Tim Lincecum will win (and if he doesn't, it will be for the same reason you suggest as Santana: not enough official "wins", which would be a stupid reason for any voter in this era). It should be a priority, though.

They might want to try finding guys with good track records who had a poor 2008 and are looking at being dumped by their team due to big contracts, since even good relievers have up-and-down seasons.

Glory's Sun 10-01-2008 06:27 AM

The AL playoffs should be interesting this year. Boston has a few key injuries, but the Angels haven't won a playoff series against them in forever. The White Sox are hot, but Tampa has great defense.. I'll take Boston and Tampa.

Mister Coaster 10-01-2008 07:17 AM

You do realize that the Halos were injured badly for the 2007 post season, and that this year they have pounded beantown 8-1 in 9 games, including a sweep at Fenway. Oh and there's that whole "Manny isn't there" thing.

Glory's Sun 10-01-2008 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mister Coaster (Post 2535911)
You do realize that the Halos were injured badly for the 2007 post season, and that this year they have pounded beantown 8-1 in 9 games, including a sweep at Fenway. Oh and there's that whole "Manny isn't there" thing.

Yup fully aware. The Halos are healthy.. and Manny isn't there.

But then there's the whole Lackey sucked it up in September thing.. 87mph fastball?? hrmm..

Lester, Matsuzaka, Beckett. Nuff Said :)

Mister Coaster 10-01-2008 08:45 AM

Well, then it's a good thing that his curveball is his best pitch.

Well, you're in the minority in thinking the Bosox have a prayer vs. the Angels. As the saying goes... "We'll see."

Glory's Sun 10-01-2008 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mister Coaster (Post 2535980)
Well, then it's a good thing that his curveball is his best pitch.

Well, you're in the minority in thinking the Bosox have a prayer vs. the Angels. As the saying goes... "We'll see."


Yes I am in the minority.. but everyone seems to agree that it will be a 5 game series.. most say the Angels in 5.. but I'm thinking that if Boston gets it to a 5 game series.. Boston can win it. Drew should be back in the lineup .. possibly Lowell as well.

yes .. "We'll see" ;)

Glory's Sun 10-02-2008 06:46 AM

Well Game 1 in the books..

Bo'Sox once again beat the Halos.. thank you John Lester.

Cubs.. well the cubs still suck.

Brewers.. go home

LA doing it with all the ex beantowners.

Mister Coaster 10-02-2008 09:58 AM

Lester was definately on his game. Actually, Lackey was too, one bad pitch was the death nell. Good game, but to say I'm dissappointed is an understatement. BTW, could the TBS announcers be more in love with Boston?

Glory's Sun 10-02-2008 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mister Coaster (Post 2536908)
Lester was definately on his game. Actually, Lackey was too, one bad pitch was the death nell. Good game, but to say I'm dissappointed is an understatement. BTW, could the TBS announcers be more in love with Boston?

Lackey did have a good game considering his past start.. Between these two teams, mistakes are deadly..which is why Boston was lucky that the error only cost them one run. Lester is going to get better and better. Matsuzaka is 9-0 on the road and if Beckett is healthy.. I think the Halo's will add to their loss streak against Boston in the playoffs. We'll See..

I can't blame announcers being in love with Boston.. we're a loveable bunch :p

just don't start the east coast bias thing ok? :thumbsup:

Bear Cub 10-02-2008 08:06 PM

Screw the VP debates, this is way funnier. LOLZ @ the Cubs. 9 to 1 in the eighth, and this is supposed to be a champion caliber team? They can bend over and kiss this series goodbye right now.

Halx 10-03-2008 06:29 AM

Dodgers are on their way. It should be easy to close out the Cubs at home, in front of the crazy crowd. Man, that Wrigley Field was a graveyard.

Glory's Sun 10-03-2008 06:33 AM

How nice would it be to see a Dodgers Red Sox series??

Manny is on fire.. but can they handle an AL team??

I'm getting ahead of myself here.. Boston has to lock things up in LA first and then hope they can get past those pesky rays.. because I just can't see the White Sox beating them.

Oh.. and the CUBS SUCK!!

oh .. and Sabathia is still a playoff bum!!

Halx 10-03-2008 07:25 AM

All signs point to a Dodgers/Red Sox World Series. Unless the Dodgers pitching somehow falls apart. I know their offense won't fail.

Glory's Sun 10-03-2008 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halx (Post 2537655)
All signs point to a Dodgers/Red Sox World Series. Unless the Dodgers pitching somehow falls apart. I know their offense won't fail.

you say their offense won't fall apart but when they have to go against the likes of Lester, Beckett, Matsuzaka, Masterson and Papelbon, you may change your mind.

I'm looking for the Red Sox to start scoring here shortly. Drew should be getting his speed back and Papi should be getting comfortable with his adjusted swing.

I just want to see it for the Manny factor. I still love the guy even though I can't believe I see him hustle in LA and he didn't in Boston.

Halx 10-03-2008 07:49 AM

You're looking at the bright side, I know, you're a fan. But the Dodgers ruined Webb. They ruined Haren. They ruined Dempster and they ruined Zambrano. Aces be damned.

Glory's Sun 10-03-2008 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halx (Post 2537671)
You're looking at the bright side, I know, you're a fan. But the Dodgers ruined Webb. They ruined Haren. They ruined Dempster and they ruined Zambrano. Aces be damned.

yes.. but none of those pitchers..or aces pitched against powerful AL teams all year.

We have at least 2 aces. Lester and Beckett. Beckett and now Lester are showing they are a league above when it comes to the postseason. Add Papelbon to that.. and well you're team just hasn't faced that shit.

We'll see.. if it happens.. we'll just see.

Halx 10-03-2008 08:11 AM

I don't buy the whole "powerful AL team" stigma. Its just a good baseball team. Period. Pitch a good game and play defense and hit the ball and you'll do just fine. Everyone has good and bad games - the key is to have a better game than your opponent on that particular day.

If there WAS a stacked AL team, it would be the Angels. That lineup is crazy. But that's not going to help them.

The Dodgers are just as stacked as Boston, in my opinion. Their psyches are maybe different, because of the relative lack of experience, but I do want to state that they're STILL more experienced than the Rockies were last year. And they have Manny.

I see it as a damn good matchup.

Glory's Sun 10-03-2008 08:14 AM

I'm not saying it wouldn't be a good matchup, I'm just saying..

The Angels would kill the Dodgers if they Angels could get past Boston. I'll take an AL offense over a NL offense any day.. there's just no comparison for me. Add the defense that Boston employs now.. and it's like an NL team with great offense.

St. Louis was experienced and Boston wasn't.. look what happened there. Boston has the pitching, the bats, the speed and the defense. Really, their only enemy is themselves and those goddamn Rays this year.

Halx 10-03-2008 08:41 AM

I make the same comments in support of a team I know best too. :)

djtestudo 10-03-2008 11:41 AM

I think Dodgers-Sox would be a good matchup.

Of course, the Sox went 8-10 against Tampa Bay and the Dodgers split 4-4 with the Phillies this season, so let's not get ahead of ourselves :p

BurntToast 10-03-2008 03:02 PM

Don't write off the Phillies... We got swept by the Dodgers in LA but we swept them at home so it could be an interesting NLCS IF we both get there.

QuasiMondo 10-04-2008 04:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by guccilvr (Post 2537594)
How nice would it be to see a Dodgers Red Sox series??

Manny is on fire.. but can they handle an AL team??

I'm getting ahead of myself here.. Boston has to lock things up in LA first and then hope they can get past those pesky rays.. because I just can't see the White Sox beating them.

Oh.. and the CUBS SUCK!!

oh .. and Sabathia is still a playoff bum!!

1. I think so.

2. I don't think the rays have it in them to get past Boston.

3. Sad, but true.

4. In any other circumstance, I'd agree, but this was his third consecutive game on short rest. I think that had to do more with his poor performance than his perceived playoff woes.

Ilow 10-04-2008 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djtestudo (Post 2537883)
I think Dodgers-Sox would be a good matchup.

Of course, the Sox went 8-10 against Tampa Bay and the Dodgers split 4-4 with the Phillies this season, so let's not get ahead of ourselves :p

besides the Sox-Cubs world series, I would think that this would be the one that Selig and many impartial people would want. It has the whole East v West, LA v Boston, Manny saga etc. Oh yeah, and the two teams aren't too bad either. Not to mention that LA has like 72 former Red Sox playing for them, not that that would motivate them or anything. Really long way to go though. We've pretty much gotten to the 'don't let Manny beat you' point too, so other Dodgers will have to step up and carry the load. I don't think that the Dodgers beat the Sox if they play (best team from worst division v second best team from best division) but anything can happen (Phills are looking motivated and TB is finally getting healthy again except for Percival, who they really didn't need anyway). i can't believe all the 2-0 series.

Halx 10-04-2008 09:18 PM

Dodgers sweep the Cubs! Hell yeah!

Their next opponent will only be practice for the World Series. These kids showed what it takes to get there.

dylanmarsh 10-04-2008 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halx (Post 2538770)
Dodgers sweep the Cubs! Hell yeah!

Their next opponent will only be practice for the World Series. These kids showed what it takes to get there.

Congrats. I'd like to see a Red Sox versus Ex-Red Sox World Series.

Did anyone catch Manny's post game interview where he actually thanked Scott for getting him to LA? I'm guessing he was talking about Scott Boras and was not refering to Boras flying Manny out to LA in his Learjet. WTF.

pan6467 10-04-2008 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuasiMondo (Post 2538377)
4. In any other circumstance, I'd agree, but this was his third consecutive game on short rest. I think that had to do more with his poor performance than his perceived playoff woes.

You never watched him choke.... I mean pitch for Cleveland in the playoffs have you?

He's NOT in any way shape or form a pitcher who can pitch in the playoffs:

Lifetime post season: 2wins, 3losses, 7.92ERA, 5 starts, 25IP, 22walks, 4homers, 3HBP, 33hits, a 2.20WHIP, that includes a 6IP 6 hit 5w 5k 2r start in 2001 for Cleveland.

Take that out of the mix his ERA is 9.47 with a WHIP of 2.32.

He not only played that way during the post season when he was counted on to be the "ACE" but in "serious" games also. Anyone remember who pitched us out of a wildcard facing the Chisox in '06?

The man is a fat fucking asshat who will be about as useful to his next team as Bartolo Colon is. Go ahead Yankees/Dodgers/Mets/Cubs whomever.... pay the "ACE" big time money but don't count on him for a post season win, a division needed win, a wildcard needed win or a win that has any significance at all. Pitch him against hitless wonder teams like KC, Seattle, Min, Cincy, Pitts, SF, SD, Atl, and Texas or Col outside their home stadium and cheer his 1 run games......

But when the stakes are down and he needs to perform against the big teams he is a JOKE.

Here's a link to his record this year, what teams did he pitch good against and what teams did he struggle against??????

Individual Player Game by Game Log | MLB.com: Stats

2007 when he won the Cy Young was not much different.

2006 1 game over .500 same thing....

BEWARE and don't be bragging on getting him because he'll rip your heart right out. He's not an ace under pressure.

Halx 10-05-2008 06:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manny Ramirez
"We're going to party at my house. We're going to party like rock stars, if you can find my house."


dylanmarsh 10-05-2008 08:40 AM

Bitter much, Pan? Your team managed to get Matt LaPorta for a CC rental and you still post that? If anyone is to blame for CC's ineffectiveness during the last two postseasons, it is his managers who overused him down the stretch to get their teams to the playoffs. Wedge might be a great person and the players might love him, but CC was burnt by the time the ALCS rolled around last year. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that every Cleveland pitcher took a nosedive late in the season/postseason due to overuse, over the last few seasons.

pan6467 10-05-2008 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dylanmarsh (Post 2538942)
Bitter much, Pan? Your team managed to get Matt LaPorta for a CC rental and you still post that? If anyone is to blame for CC's ineffectiveness during the last two postseasons, it is his managers who overused him down the stretch to get their teams to the playoffs. Wedge might be a great person and the players might love him, but CC was burnt by the time the ALCS rolled around last year. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that every Cleveland pitcher took a nosedive late in the season/postseason due to overuse, over the last few seasons.

First, not bitter, it comes from watching CC over the past 10 years give or take.

When Colon was traded the front office wasn't even sure CC was ace material.

He does NOT pitch well even in he regular season against teams we needed to beat. He chokes even during the season. Look at the link from when he was in Mil. and this year with the Indians and tell me what teams he was able to be effective against and what teams he wasn't.

As for pitchers taking a nose dive late in the season in Cleveland... other than the kid Carmona in his rookie year, during the playoffs, they didn't. Byrd actually pitched better.

When you need a win, reg. season or post, you simply can't count on CC. That comes from YEARS of watching him in an Indians uni.

But go ahead, I hope your team pays him the big dollars and you can watch him first hand. The pressure will eat at him and within 2 years he'll be an overpaid albatross on your team..... but good luck believing he's a great pitcher.

djtestudo 10-05-2008 03:21 PM

C.C. Sabathia 2008 Pitching Splits - Baseball-Reference PI

Vs. Cubs: 3 GS, 1-1, 22.2 IP, 2.78 ERA
Vs. LAD: 1 GS, 7 IP, 1 ER
Vs. HOU: 1 GS, Win, 9 IP, 2 ER
Vs. STL: 1 GS, Win, 9 IP, Shutout

And two of the three Cubs games came after mid-September.

He has a career 2.77 ERA in September and October (regular season), almost a half-run better than any other month.

If you want to talk playoff stats, you have to bring up that he only has five total playoff starts in his career, including this season. And you can't ignore that he started four straight times on three days' rest this season (before only getting one playoff start, which goes back to the above mention of the sample size).

Maybe he should go to a team that knows how to build a pitching staff where they don't have to ride one or two pitchers all the way down the stretch.

Glory's Sun 10-06-2008 06:47 AM

Damn I'm tired. I waited all night to watch the red sox lose at the end. Jesus Christ. How many scoring ops can you not capitalize on?! Sure, the Angels have the same issues, but really the Angels..well they just don't look like the Angels. Pedroia and Bay 0-5.. that has to change tonight.

I don't even want to start on Beckett. I'm proud that he grunted out what he did, and I was actually a bit worried that he was still hurt.. I'm just not used to seeing this from him in the postseason. I'll chalk it up to rust.

Red Sox finish the series tonight behind Lester.

Mister Coaster 10-06-2008 08:58 AM

Man, you sure have that right. The Halos just don't look right. After that botched popup last night I had to excuse myself to the basement and break something. Sorry, wooden chair, you were in the wrong place at the wrong time.

So far home-field is no advantage in this series.

pan6467 10-06-2008 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djtestudo (Post 2539093)
C.C. Sabathia 2008 Pitching Splits - Baseball-Reference PI

Vs. Cubs: 3 GS, 1-1, 22.2 IP, 2.78 ERA
Vs. LAD: 1 GS, 7 IP, 1 ER
Vs. HOU: 1 GS, Win, 9 IP, 2 ER
Vs. STL: 1 GS, Win, 9 IP, Shutout

And two of the three Cubs games came after mid-September.

He has a career 2.77 ERA in September and October (regular season), almost a half-run better than any other month.

If you want to talk playoff stats, you have to bring up that he only has five total playoff starts in his career, including this season. And you can't ignore that he started four straight times on three days' rest this season (before only getting one playoff start, which goes back to the above mention of the sample size).

Maybe he should go to a team that knows how to build a pitching staff where they don't have to ride one or two pitchers all the way down the stretch.

:thumbsup: You go on believing that. We'll soon find out, won't we?

Glory's Sun 10-07-2008 06:16 AM

The Red Sox win in dramatic fashion last night. I could have killed someone when Masterson crossed up the pitch to Varitek. The Angels problems in the field really hurt them.

Now for the ALCS against the Rays. Boston will have to up their run production and quit wasting RISP chances to advance... although I wonder how the young pitchers from Tampa will handle the pressure. Obviously the regular season numbers mean nothing when we get to this point.. Fenway is a totally different monster when it's October.

Mister Coaster 10-07-2008 07:21 AM

Yeah, that pretty much was the only mistake Boston made that the Halos actually capatalized on. The rest of the series I don't know if Boston beat the Angels, as much as the Angels beat themselves with botched plays in the field and non-execution at the plate.

Boston made the crutial plays in the field (tough popups in foul ground, double plays, diving catches) and the Angels didn't, that's pretty much the series. All the games were close, no blowouts, so every game came down to the little things.

Now... GO DEVIL RAYS, BEAT BEANTOWN!!

pan6467 10-07-2008 09:45 AM

Actually, with no one in I like anymore, I'd like to see Tampa win it all, being an underdog team with low payroll....

But I'd love to see a Dodger - Red Sox series with Manny just tearing up his old team and helping the Dodger Blue sweep the Blosux in 4.

That would make the fact that Ohio's teams did pretty badly all worth it to me.

I guess a part of me remembers the Dodgers of yore putting up the good fight with Garvey, Cey, Yeager, Davey Lopes, Bill Russel, and Tommy... but always losing to the BIG RED MACHINE Perez, Morgan, Concepcion, Rose, Bench and GEORGE SPARKY ANDERSON.

I miss the days when teams had true teams and you could name the players almost every year and root for the player and the team. And if you lived in Cleveland you could go to a bar after the game and watch "SuperStar" Joe Charboneau open beer bottles in his eye sockets....lol

Taken from All In The Family:

Quote:

"Those Were The Days" An Ode to pre Free Agent Baseball

By PAN6467

Boy, the way Charlie Hustle played. Plays that made the fans hip horray.

Fans like us, we had it made. Those were the days.

Didn't hear no small market excuse. Everybody played with juice.

Gee, how old Lou Brock ran great. Those were the days.

And you knew who was on your team then. Fans were fans and players played then.

Mister, we could use a man like Jim Palmer again.

People seemed to be content. Hot dogs sold for a dollar fifty cent.

Freaks were in bush leagues. Those were the days.

Take a little Sunday spin, go to watch the Cincinatti Reds win.

Have yourself a dandy day that cost you under a fin.

Players loved the game, didn't put their fans to shame. Tom Seaver really could pitch a game.

I don't know just what went wrong. Those Were The Days.
Edith.... I need another beer here.....

Glory's Sun 10-07-2008 09:52 AM

Pan.. you are so bitter it's almost annoying.

You sit here and say you want to watch Manny tear up his old team then you go and start wishing for old teams who you can name every player on. Isn't that a bit of a contradiction?

Manny is nothing more than money hungry now. He doesn't give a shit if he wins or not.. he wants his paycheck. The Red Sox consistently hone HOME GROWN talent and they teach their kids to succeed. If anything, that is more honorable than just paying a bunch of veterans big paychecks and trying to win something.

So stop spouting about the old days.. it's old.


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