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Old 08-07-2003, 01:08 PM   #1 (permalink)
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FEMALE Vanity

I'm just curious as to anyone else's opinion (I had asked my GF, but I guess she took it a little personally).

These days, it's the norm for girls to go out and wear whatever clothing they feel comfortable and stylish.
Definitely everyone has a right to that, even guys.

But why does it seem like everywhere I look, it seems every girl out there is just out to wear something for the sake of vanity, for the sake of making someone "take and look and drop their jaw in awe of their beauty"?

I'm sure there are some girls there who just dress comfortably, but there's a lot out there I feel the aura of "I'm a sexy girl!", "Look at how great I look!", "Ain't I cute?!?!?!", or "My dress looks nice on me, don't you think?", "I'm a girl, and I'm something to look at!".... or something like that.

I'm not saying that women should wear robes that cover every inch of their skin... but it just seems that the current culture is for girls to actually show their bodies off...
and this takes almost the same amount of (if not more) importance/precedence as actual comfort.



What do you guys think?
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Old 08-07-2003, 01:17 PM   #2 (permalink)
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My wife and I discuss this frequently. We are seeing more and more young and not so young girls wearing stuff that exposes their bellies to the world and there are rolls of fat just hanging out. My wife is pretty slim and in very good shape. About the only time she exposes anything is when she wears a bikini and even then she feels self-conscious. It just seems that more girls have complete self-confidence to wear things that they wouldn't have worn a couple of years ago (and unfortunately they don't really look too good doing it).
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Old 08-07-2003, 01:21 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I think it's ok to be "confident"...

But I think there's a lot of girls that just want to show skin and attract.... "attention"?... I mean.. some form of "want" for them.. just want to look good...
Just feeling vain and feed their ego I guess
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Old 08-07-2003, 01:22 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I'd wear cool stuff if i had the money
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Old 08-07-2003, 01:59 PM   #5 (permalink)
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...how do you get a guy to talk to you? you look hot. How do you get into the "cool" group (esp for teens/early 20's)? you look hot. how do you get into clubs/parties/raves(without paying cover fees, even)? you look hot. how do you get out of parking tickets/get special favors/get ATTENTION? you look hot.

Hell, sounds like a god damn deal to me.
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Old 08-07-2003, 02:03 PM   #6 (permalink)
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so... women... the "predator"??
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Old 08-07-2003, 02:41 PM   #7 (permalink)
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i think cheerios makes a good point. lots of socioligist talk about how different the lives of say an ugly person and a beautiful person. (not to say that one automatically has it easier than the other) but even still. also young people especially young girls are targeting heavily by the media so since britney spears wears a shirt that shows off her abs...expect to see alot of the same
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Old 08-07-2003, 02:50 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Can only blame the parents...it starts younger and younger...little girls walking around half naked...parents buy their clothes, parents need to take control. When I was in high school the girls were still hot if they had on a regular shirt...
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Old 08-07-2003, 03:13 PM   #9 (permalink)
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so... women... the "predator"??
no more so then men, I think.
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Old 08-07-2003, 03:14 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Vanity is ok as long as you *really* know what the hell you're doing. A lot of times that isn't the case, like with younger girls who expose their bellies. I remember this one younger girl who used to be a classmate of mine wore an item that exposed her stomach to a school dance once, and she spent most of her time there pulling the thing down because she wasn't comfortable with it. But now she's used to it, she dresses like a different person, and in fact it didn't make her any prettier either.

I know that even myself, I dress a lot differently than I used to years ago because of this new... arising social awareness let's call it. Still I'm sure I'd put on a muscle shirt if I knew I was ripped.
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Old 08-07-2003, 03:22 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Cheerios has it.

Why do women dress to get attention?
Because men pay attention to them when they're dressed that way.

Pretty simple behaviorism. Behavior that gets rewarded persists.
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Old 08-07-2003, 04:11 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Pretty simple behaviorism. Behavior that gets rewarded persists.

haha so true and so simple
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Old 08-07-2003, 04:33 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I don't go after girls that look like that. When you have lots of slim girls that are scantily clad, you're only going to have the less intelligent guys going after them. If you want a long-term relationship, try getting familar with a guy using your personality. Unless you are butt-ugly, he's not going to care if you aren't showing off your belly.
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Old 08-07-2003, 05:53 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I wear whatever I want. It just so happens that most of it is form fitting. Baggy clothes make me feel uncomfortable.

It really is that simple.
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Old 08-07-2003, 06:03 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Girls are girls they have always looked good whether we are in the 70's and it was tight sweaters or today and showing the mid drift. Most women give off sex appeal, its how they attact us. I personally don't see anything wrong with it, then they also can't blame us for looking. Cause the reason why they wear it is so we will look.
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Old 08-07-2003, 06:13 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Ok, so it's been established that girls wear the revealing clothes to get attention from guys. It is also true that not all girls can wear revealing clothes (due to the gross rolls). Why do they still do it? Probably to be like the pretty girls. Oh well. If all girls wore less revealing clothes (not necessarily baggy) I'd be fine with that. The pretty girls would still be cute and nobody would have to look at what they don't want to see.
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Old 08-07-2003, 06:22 PM   #17 (permalink)
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clothing don't make a women, her eyes, her manners and smile win out no matter what she is wearing. All of those things come naturally, and are the most noticeable for me. No matter what age.
Are women vain, you bet.. but so are guys...its our cultures way of saying, lets do what the clothing manufacturers, advertisers and all the rest what us to do.

thank god you can't go wrong with a white crisp T-shirt and Jeans.
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Old 08-07-2003, 07:11 PM   #18 (permalink)
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clothing don't make a women, her eyes, her manners and smile win out no matter what she is wearing. All of those things come naturally, and are the most noticeable for me. No matter what age.
Are women vain, you bet.. but so are guys...its our cultures way of saying, lets do what the clothing manufacturers, advertisers and all the rest what us to do.

thank god you can't go wrong with a white crisp T-shirt and Jeans.
Ya, stupid brainwashing bastard marketers! I agree that a girl in a T-shirt and jeans is mighty hot enough. Its actually more sexy because it leaves more hidden, not just showing everything and leaving nothing to the imagination.
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Old 08-07-2003, 07:31 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Scantily clad women make me drool, but for the most part, I would never consider them for a serious relationship. This is must my experience that if they have the need to show off that much, they just aren't a match for me. If I was in a bar with women, I would inevitably be drawn to those girls, but I ended up marrying a conservative Catholic virgin who has an incredible libido. I got lucky.
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Old 08-07-2003, 08:40 PM   #20 (permalink)
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I am scared to have daughters for this very reason. I see girls younger and younger dressing just like this topic, and it freaks me out just the tiniest bit.

Guess that happens when you're a parent.
 
Old 08-08-2003, 12:08 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Actually, I think it's alright to dress to look good.
Perfectly alright.

I just find it a bit disturbing that a lot of girls these days dress for skin or form... or basically for sexual appeal.

It's like... there's more "sex appeal" in the aura of most girls these days --- rather than simply looking good in a good outfit (ie less "i look sexy", more of "I look ok"... or something like that.



Anyway.... has anyone actually heard that there was a study that compared the size of men's(as in males) part of the brain attributed with "getting-turned-on" from the 1920's to modern day 2000.

It turns out that that part of the brain is now smaller.

----------> Less stuff need to be seen or felt to get aroused?
Less imagination needed?

Hehehe.
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Old 08-08-2003, 03:08 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I just find it a bit disturbing that a lot of girls these days dress for skin or form... or basically for sexual appeal.

It's like... there's more "sex appeal" in the aura of most girls these days --- rather than simply looking good in a good outfit (ie less "i look sexy", more of "I look ok"... or something like that.
In all honesty, some of it is the fact that we are free to be sexy instead of having to hide it. Women today have less pressure to be "nice girls" and are allowed to express ourselves.

In many cases, the message is, "You know, I wouldn't mind getting laid today." Of course, we can't actually "say" that the way men can. We aren't *that* free... yet... so we have to project it.
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Old 08-08-2003, 09:25 PM   #23 (permalink)
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i have issues with this new trend in style/fashion. i do -NOT- like feeling as if i'm dressing for the male population. i would go for comfort over style any day. i'm not here to "impress" anyone. and i dont like feeling objectified when wearing what men would want me to wear.. so.. i don't overdue the sexy look.. i'm sure a lot of women dress sexier/look sexier than i do... especially at concerts where guys are constantly checking out all the 'hot girls' and i don't feel like one of them and get almost...jealous? that feeling of competition? i'm not even that competitive...

heh. but cheerios DOES have a good point as to why girls do this. and.. it does have good benefits. somedays, i -do- pay more attention to my looks and feel better about myself when i get the attention for it. and like i said... girls are in competition amongst themselves.
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Old 08-10-2003, 01:27 PM   #24 (permalink)
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I have found that many girls dress provocatively because it is the only way guys will pay attention to them. When faced with a girl dressed in a t shirt and jeans, or a short skirt and halter top, they will almost always pick the latter. I have always been a strong believer in dressing the way i want to (althought i enjoy the short skirts on occasion) because i dont want to end up with a guy that picked me based on what i was wearing. on the other hand, dressing sexy makes you feel sexy. its a great confidence boost as well. all in all, i say dress the way you want to, and be prepared to deal with the reactions.
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Old 08-10-2003, 01:52 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Guys only acting on the body of the girl show no respect for her as a whole.
Girls that dress sexy should be wary that the guys that are whistling after them are not showing respect..

It's a game and most of us play it. You just gotta know how it's played. You might find a good partner on looks, but you've quickly got to look further than that to find how the person really is.

It's okay to look in my book but do pay attention to other person/details aswell you'll be a better person for it!
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Old 08-10-2003, 04:00 PM   #26 (permalink)
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In many cases, the message is, "You know, I wouldn't mind getting laid today." Of course, we can't actually "say" that the way men can. We aren't *that* free... yet... so we have to project it. [/B][/QUOTE]

k well honestly this is definitly true of all women (doesnt matter if you your a lesbian, you still want to get laid ) however this brings up the point not that young girls dress more sexy nowadays from some imparticulalr reason,... but very simply becuase they can... they have the freedom to dress as skimpy/ sexy/ slutty or whatever you want to call it as they want without much scrutiny. (i am a man so can see how it could be stereotypically good for us , but this is still good for women as a whole seeming as how they have the freedom to make the decision of how to dress form themselves)

besides sometimes less is more
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Old 08-10-2003, 04:43 PM   #27 (permalink)
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i have issues with this new trend in style/fashion. i do -NOT- like feeling as if i'm dressing for the male population. i would go for comfort over style any day. i'm not here to "impress" anyone.
Any freedom includes it's own negative. Free speech includes the right of silence. Freedom of religion includes the right to be an athiest. Freedom to express sexuality and/or impress someone includes the right to dress asexually and/or not caring what other people think.
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and i dont like feeling objectified when wearing what men would want me to wear.. so.. i don't overdue the sexy look..
Yeah, it's even fun sometimes to look good in a way that men don't particularly appreciate. Wearing bright colors or artistic fashions usually doesn't do much for a lot of men, but you can look really good.
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i'm sure a lot of women dress sexier/look sexier than i do... especially at concerts where guys are constantly checking out all the 'hot girls' and i don't feel like one of them and get almost...jealous?
One thing that can be fun is to be more a classy kind of sexy as opposed to a "hot" sexy. For example, showing almost no skin but yet showing a lot of curves. A white turtleneck sweater, for example, can look a lot more mature, classy and sexier than a crop top with a V neck. It also attracts a better class of guys.
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that feeling of competition? i'm not even that competitive...
It might not be a feeling of competition. It might simply be a feeling of being lonely because you aren't getting the attention that the "hot chicks" are getting. Again, finding a way of being both comfortable and attractive can work wonders.

Another example is working with high quality materials. A conservative style of clothes made of 100% silk or linen or whatever can project an aura of confidence and even "good taste". Some guys like that.
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heh. but cheerios DOES have a good point as to why girls do this. and.. it does have good benefits. somedays, i -do- pay more attention to my looks and feel better about myself when i get the attention for it. and like i said... girls are in competition amongst themselves.
It can be that way but you don't have to play the game by the same rules. Put yourself in a different category. Maybe project power or emotional strength or artistic flair or whatever. It might be something that you can pull off that other women don't know how to do or aren't built to do.

Example: I have a friend who weights about 375lbs and stands maybe 5' 5". She has an extensive wardrobe of really classy clothes. One thing she wears is a large silk "art coat" that has a large design of a chinese dragon embroidered into it. The dragon is coiled like a snake and takes up most of the height and breadth of her frame.

A size 8 woman would not be able to wear it, even if the size were right. It takes a big woman to be able to be a "canvas" for some kinds of fashions. On her, it looks stunning. She gets a lot of admiring looks and attention from men and it's the kind of attention that comes with respect. I have also seen a number of women who are evnious of her ability to command room just by walking into it.

My point is that you can be attractive and sensual without having to be sexy and you don't have to be one of "the pack" to look good and be appreciated in a good way.
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Old 08-10-2003, 05:18 PM   #28 (permalink)
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I'm a guy and I'm all about dressing sexy. Now, I'm not talking cut-offs, a tube-top, and a pair of high heels...

Although maybe I should.


If I don't feel attractve I'm more likely to have a shity day.
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Old 08-10-2003, 06:12 PM   #29 (permalink)
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I feel just as attractive wearing a mini-skirt, heels, tiny top as I would wearing jeans and a t-shirt. Personality and inner beauty outweigh fashion sense in my book.

Not dressing flashy or as some would say 'slutty' I get the kind of attention I want from the right kinds of people. I'd rather be treated like a human being than just a piece of eye candy alone.
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