sclose

I'm interested in creating a new video series to help guys "get a girlfriend." I'm designing it strictly for guys who want to get really good at meeting girls. However, I'm not designing it for guys interested in "one night stands." Just guys who want meaningful relationships.

So my question is, what is the biggest burning question that you have to get a girlfriend? I'm sure there's one question on your mind, just let me know.


Thanks!
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Seaver

You walk up and talk to them. Hopefully you have something interesting and/or funny to talk about. Keep it light, and a light lunch for the first date is always ideal. Call when you say you will.

Honestly... there are plenty about women that are confusing as hell. However pretending or thinking you need an instruction manual like you're putting together a solar panel array using only toothpicks, tissues, and a 1979 Cadillac starter to be able to actually find a girlfriend isn't going to help you.

If girls like you they'll generally let you know it. If a girl doesn't like you, there's not much you can do to change that... but there are plenty of girls out there out there that would love to date.

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The_Jazz

My biggest question? Why do you think you're qualified to answer anyone else's question?

I'll be honest, this has "scam guys who desperately want to have a girlfriend" written all over it. Maybe I'm wrong, but given that this is your first post and all, I don't really see why there's any reason for anyone to think that you're going to do anything to solve a perceived problem and lots of reasons why you'd take their money.

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Hektore

I got a burning question...

Why is it that women are so similar that a singular bag of tips/tricks for picking up women will work on all of them?

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The_Jazz

Because if they aren't sclose ain't gonna get PAID, son!

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Baraka_Guru

The whole "women are complex" thing is just an evolutionary defense against the wider selection of men out there. The female reproductive system is taxing and requires many resources. Sperm is cheap. The corollary to this is that men have a set of evolutionary traits that "unlock" this defense. Any man has the capability of doing this if only they knew what "tools" were required. Any man can fake it, at least for a while.

sclose is a master craftsman in this regard. Ostensibly.

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Plan9

Baraka's theory is full of crap.

How you get X is how you get Y.

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Baraka_Guru

9er, spend one fucking day in my shoes! You have no idea what it's like being a beta male!

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The_Jazz

I suppose I should explain why the staff is doing what we're doing. Sclose's original post was edited to remove the link that he put in. Here's the rest of his post:

We have a pretty low tolerance for this kind of stuff. That we didn't ban him straight off the bat shows some tolerance, though.

We'll see if he comes back and if he has any responses. My guess is that we never hear from him again.

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mixedmedia

the more i see of threads like these, the more I think the only ethical path for a woman is to be a lesbian.

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dlish

im going to start another of these threads then

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sclose

I'm still here and I'm still reading.

Let me tell you a little about myself. I used to be a guy who couldn't get any girls. I was a "beta" male, letting everybody run around me and control my life. When I tried to date it always went sour because I had no idea what I was doing.

So this isn't about a bunch of "Tips and Tricks" to get girls. I'm a little embarrassed to admit it, but back in the day, I tried some tips and tricks. Womens don't need to worry, because that crap doesn't work! The problem I had was much deeper and much more complicating. Truth is, I had a unattractive personality. Now that my life is turned around, I really want to share what I learned.

Am I qualified to tell any guys about this? Maybe, maybe not. All I know is just about everybody wants an awesome relationship with passion. A lot of people are willing to put in effort to obtain a awesome relationship. I understand awesome relationships and I'm interested in sharing what I've spent the last 10 years of my life learning.

PS MixedMedia: Do I sound like one of those "player guys" who teach guys the quickest way to take advantage of a girl?

The_Jazz

No, I think you're looking to cash in on someone else's unhappiness. If you weren't you'd be doing it for free.

You're only still here because the staff feels like suffering folks like you at the moment. There's a chance that a decent conversation could arise out of the remnants of your original post, which is all we really care about. Well, that and keeping the spammers out.

Let's be honest here - you're at TFP to shill your product. That's not going to happen. Anything good that comes from any thread you start or participate in is going to be in spite of your presence, not because of it. You've made it 100% clear that you're selling this knowledge. You should know that TFP claims intellectual property rights over all the posts here, so if you take them, you're going to have a legal problem. A serious legal problem.

Finally, you should realize that there's little in life that I dislike more than spammers. And regardless of what you think, trying to sell your product here qualifies you as one of those.

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sclose

Oh I forgot to say... it's a FREE video series.

Hektore

I don't see why you would need our questions and prodding to tell your personal story, or for that matter the cheesy setup of Saviour to the beta male. It doesn't take an oracle to tell a guy that ditching the unattractive parts of his personality will increase his success with women. If you want to share your story, share it.

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Seaver

No, you sound like a guy in his Sophomore year in College and learned how to fake confidence. You may have gotten lucky 2-4 times on it, mostly by girls who have major self esteem issues themselves, and now you think you have discovered the vault key.

The truth is the self esteem comes with experience and age, and tricks like these stop working pretty quickly once everyone enters the real world. The ones who it continues to work on, aren't worth being with anyways.

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skizziks

i get girls the old fashioned way. i rent them.

sclose

Seaver: You're completely off the mark.

Apparently everybody here thinks I'm taking advantage of people. Interesting...

It's not that at all.

Also, it sounds like everybody has a picture of me being "some kid" who "thinks he has all the tricks" who "wants to take money from loser guys." That's kind of amusing...

Anyways, sounds like everybody here already has great self esteem, can have the relationship of their dreams and they never fight with their girlfriend, wife, or family. Their lives are just perfect so they can't improve. Even if it isn't perfect, there's nothing you can do but 'sit back, watch TV and let life hit you.'

Incase you didn't know, nobody is perfect. Anything worth value in life takes some form of effort. That includes great relationships.

Of course, admitting that we suck at relationships or we can do better hits directly on most people's personal insecurities.

All the successful people I know (in any part of their relationship) can put their insecurities behind them and figure out what they can do better. Nobody is perfect and everybody can do some part of their life better.

No... I'm one of those guys who likes to take advantage of weak guys. Please.

The_Jazz

sclose, we've been around a while. TFP, in this permutation, has been online since 2003, but in reality, it's more like 1999. If you dig into the archives, you'll see where someone comes by with an offer like yours about once a year recently.

You post a link, you don't tell us why you think you're great at giving advice and don't tell us anything about yourself. You don't know anything about the folks here.

I say that not to apologize for the reactions of myself and others - because I don't apologize for those - but to get you to understand that most of the posters here have been around a while and have actually given and received advice to folks about relationships.

So now you're going to be all butthurt because no one took you seriously. That's because you didn't take us seriously. You got exactly the reaction that you deserved.

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monkeysugar

Middle aged youth pastor and just realized that you're *really* not that "hip" or 5 years into a 2 year Psych degree?

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Plan9

But I'd like sclose to help me.

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The_Jazz

Help you with what? Moving a bunch of heavy furniture? Getting your 84 Mustang started? You're incapable of having a long-term relationship, primarily because of your smooth spot.

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Willravel

My video would go like this: "Want to get a girl? Be honest, be open, and try to be a good person. You want to attract a woman by who you really are, not by being someone else."

mixedmedia

I wasn't responding to you directly, sclose, but rather to the obvious difficulty that men and women have in creating and maintaining relationships altogether. It's like there is a cruel joke afoot. And while I don't know enough about your ideas because you haven't really shared them here, most attempts to bridge the gap between men and women eventually start sounding akin to a telemarketer who calls ostensibly to give you a chance to win a Caribbean cruise when what he really wants is to sell you some magazine subscriptions. Know what I mean?

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Plan9

Why do you build me up, buttercup, baby, just to let me down?

And stop cockblocking my conversation with Sclose, Dad.

That and I'd never own a Mustang. I'm a GM guy at heart.

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Mmm, I dunno about this. Taking a line from Travis Bickle (that ladies man), "[a man should try] to become a person like other people."

Y'all act like we're these fixed creatures with our set ways. I've grown and changed in every relationship. I'm a new me each time.

I'm evolving before, during and after the relationship.

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sclose

Haha, and that's exactly why I got into this.

I've heard that probably a thousand times. I've heard it from my mom, and just about everybody else who has no idea what is really going on. "Just be honest and be yourself." I'm not saying it's wrong, it's completely true. You should be honest and be yourself. However, it's crappy advice. Many guys don't meet girls because they are themselves too much. They sit around, watch tv and eat potato chips. They need to push themselves to go out and to be around girls. They need to push themselves out of their comfort zone and do something different, because what they are doing isn't working.

xenonman

Yes, I also have some doubt about these commercial services that claim to have "the secret" to getting laid.

They tend to be highly misogynistic in tone, and view sexual activity strictly as a numbers game.

They try to reduce a complex situation into a pattern of bizarre terminologies and anagrams.

MSD

So if you're not the kind of pathetic nerd who buys instructional videos on how to be a Pickup Artist, you're the kind of pathetic nerd who ... needs your instructional video series?

KirStang

NOOOOOO. You didn't!

:Gets a Friend Divorce:

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Sclose, why don't you start with youtube? Pepper in some humor, put your plan in to action, and then show us the result. If the world likes it, maybe you can be the next NigaHiga or whatever.

Otherwise, right now, there are a lot of unsubstantiated assumptions floating around. Good luck with your project.

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Originally Posted by sclose
So my question is, what is the biggest burning question that you have to get a girlfriend? I'm sure there's one question on your mind, just let me know.

I got a burning question...

Why is it that women are so similar that a singular bag of tips/tricks for picking up women will work on all of them?


Ah, youre thinking of the good old days when all you needed was a club and a sack. These days I think a car trunk would be more expected.
Theres nowt so queer as folk.

Strange Famous

How do I attract an intelligent, insightful, caring, girl with model looks and great tits?

Difficulty: I am 5 10, 300 lbs, have a big scar across the middle of my head, am literally and legally broke, and am prone to mood swings and tramatic collapses of self esteem.

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ironpham

My advice would be: Get a haircut.

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match000

I think f-close in pick-up-artist circles is the obvious ("close" is like to "close" [ie get phone # or contact or ahem even more] on a girl or "set" [of girls], I think) And your name is "sclose" -- what does the s stand for?

In any case, sclose everyday I walk around here in a 8 million ppl+ city, and see a ton of hot-ass chicks wearing next-to-nothing and lots of makeup, and look like they will eat you for lunch if you talk to them. Can you give advice on how to pick-up these chicks (for free?) ? Thanks!!

Plan9

Match000,

The problem is you, not them. Stop putting yourself into an imaginary caste system where these former-humans-now-sex-objects are unattainable.

/insert typical bit about online dating sites being useful tools because they're quick, free and allow the user to "multitask"

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match000

Hehe good point. I don't want to date them, I just feel an overwhelming sense of lust when I see all these hot ass chicks walking around with bare legs showing all the way, short tight skirts, pretty faces, and hot boobs.

dlish

maybe if you moved to afghanistan, you'd stop having those thoughts. if you cant take the heat...

my advice? rub one out bud. tension release is your friend. but you really need to get those emotions in check. its not really healthy for an adult. how old are you? 16?

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Sheepy

I'm in this strange phase where i lose interest in girls who are interested in me because there isn't like...i don't know what it is... like not enough challenge in it?* and mostly only liking girls who aren't interested! Strange huh?

What i think i need to meet is like a shy girl who is interested but i don't know it.

match000

lol, move to afganistan.. nah.. kite runner was a good movie

hehe, after I rub one out its all good for like the next 5-6 hours. No, I'm 27. Isn't lust natural.. (esp for men).

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are they cute/hot/attractive to you (the ones that like you but you don't like). weird, if they were attractive physically and personality-wise i wouldn't see why not.

robiitis

Videos which would motivate guys leaving their comfort zone and do something to approach a girl would be enough. No false promises, statistics or anything, just help with getting to the girl and starting conversation.

Nothing which promises for you to get a girl works. In my opinion it is , as mentioned before, scam. But many guys really relies on this kind of tutorials - thats sad, but can't judge them.

telekinetic

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