shakran

OK, so we each think the other is out of touch with reality. Hardly surprising considering we're on opposite poles of the political spectrum. Did you have a point with that?

BTW, you DID disparage journalists in that thread (if they had any useful skills. . . ), so your retort in the journalist thread was pretty meaningless. Especially since I didn't come straight out and say that YOU had disparaged journalists. My first sentence was directed at you, and I stand by it. My second sentence was a completely seperate paragraph and addressed "so many in this thread" that disparaged journalists. If you read into that sentence that I was referring directly to you, then perhaps it is because you DID disparage journalists, and you KNOW that you disparaged them.

Of course, the fact that you failed to note that I wasn't directing that comment at you, and then told me to get some basic reading comprehension primers, is rather sweetly ironic, don't you think?

Marvelous Marv

I just realized this little sentence of yours wrapped up my entire point and put a little bow on it.

It caused a firestorm when I mentioned Clinton's transgressions, but you're allowed to bring up Reagan. I don't see Ratbastid wringing his hands about that--apparently, you two have no problem with bringing up 20-year-old scandals, as long as they're REPUBLICAN ones. So let's compare a little.


Reagan said, "Give them everything they ask for."
Clinton said, "Deny, deny, deny."

Cunningham said, "The truth is I broke the law, concealed my conduct and disgraced my office." He resigned. As far as is known, he didn't cause anyone to die.

Janet Reno said, "I take full responsibility." She should have added that she took the responsibility as long as she wasn't tried for frying 80 people, and as long as she didn't have to leave office.

One more little detail on Iran-Contra: At the time, helping them was in our country's interest. It involved conventional weapons.

However, no one has yet explained to me why Clinton and Jimmy Carter gave the North Koreans nuclear material. It's now a huge problem , but you've clearly said you don't give a damn, and you would rather concentrate on the supposed "outing" of a CIA agent who was known worldwide.

Thanks for posting this. It was very helpful.

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Marvelous Marv

Hey, Hitler was never indicted or convicted either!

(Boy that was fun. After listening to all of the Bush-Hitler blather, it REALLY felt good to send some of it back.)

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Rekna

well marv in this post you have opened up two cans of worms. first it is now ok to compair our leaders to hilter and second we can now say indictments do matter so delay is guilty and so is libby. Perhaps rove will be guilty in a month.

shakran

Oh no. You're not getting away with it that easilly. YOU are the one who said no OTHER president in history had ever done something like that. YOU brought it up. I refuted. Ball's still in your court.

I didn't know you wrote political fiction. But that sentence proves it.

Yeah. Note the second point - concealed his conduct. So don't tell me he's a full-disclosure guy. He admitted it after he'd been caught and there was no way to refute the mounds of evidence against him.

Not entirely sure what an idiotic decision regarding the Branch Davidians has to do with today, but OK. I guess you have us there. Democrats screw up too. Of course, I've never SAID they don't, but you sure do like insinuating that I've said it. More political fiction anyone?



No it most certainly was not in our interest. In the first place, helping terrorists is NEVER in a country's interest because it only makes the next time that much worse. In the second place, if it was really in our best interest, why did they try so hard to cover it up?



That's impressive. You're attempting to give the impression that I talked about the CIA agent. I haven't said one thing in this thread about the CIA agent. And again, because you seem to be having a tough time getting this, I'm not excusing any wrongs that Clinton did. But the fact that he made mistakes does NOT excuse Bush or anyone else. "Well he did it too" is NOT a valid argument, no matter how many times you repeat it.



Apparently not - - you're still not getting the message.

Marvelous Marv

I disagree, since I know someone who was there with these guys.



But since that was all the way back in 1993, I'm sure you couldn't care less.

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shakran

That big long post where I tore up your arguments, and claiming you know someone who was "there" is the best you can come up with? I don't care who you know, it doesn't change what happened. And I already said we shouldn't have been there. Whether they dragged our pilots around or not, we shouldn't have been there. It wasn't our business.

Now that we've established that, yes, Clinton did make a mistake are you FINALLY going to address the point about previous politicians' actions not being an excuse for current politicians to do whatever they want?

Don't worry, I already know you won't.