An error with an electronic voting system gave President Bush 3,893 extra votes - Page 2 - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

roachboy · 11-09-2004, 07:07 AM

link to a blog that is tracking voting irregularity information as it accumulates.
posted as an index of the way information is gathering.
check the series of links at the bottom of the page.

i remain agnostic on the matter.
but i am interested in it.

http://freedomfrom.blogspot.com/

anleja · 11-12-2004, 03:05 PM

Here is a link which takes you to another link which takes you to a PDF file about someone's study on all this. I only skimmed through it because I need to get off the computer, but it looks pretty interesting...

http://www.buzzflash.com/alerts/04/11/ale04090.html

alpha phi · 11-18-2004, 07:09 AM

Ok
I recieved an E-mail back from my senator!
He and our secertary of state in Michigan has provided
a secure, accurate, and recountable voting procedure in Michigan.
So....what's the problem in so many other states!!!!???
Citizens need to speak up in areas where their representatives
don't represent the citizens!
elected officials respond to their constituents above and beyond all else
they want to keep thier jobs too!!

This isn't a partisan issue either
while, it is odd so many of the errors benifited republicans
I did find a few examples in which democrats gained from errors
also millage proposals in which no votes were recorded
among many others.
It is possible the errors in republican favor are more higly publicized.
certainly shouting about some while ignoring others
in a michael moore "wrap a few truths in a bundle of lies, so nobody can tell between
truth and lie"
does not help the cause of democracy

I'll post my senators response here:

Quote:

Thank you for contacting me about election reform. I appreciate
hearing your views on this matter.

Ensuring that all eligible citizens are able to vote and that every
vote is counted is an important national priority. According to the
Committee for the Study of the American Electorate, in the 2000
presidential election 2.5 million votes out of 101 million were not
counted. In other words, many Americans made the effort to participate in
our democratic system, yet their votes did not count. This is simply
unacceptable.

In 2002, I supported the Help America Vote Act (HAVA, P.L.107-252),
which is a major step toward correcting many of the inadequacies of our
election system. This law establishes a set of standards to correct voting
errors and ensures accessibility for the disabled. It also encourages
states, along with the National Institute of Standards and Technology
(NIST), to set uniform benchmarks and reporting requirements for voting
system performance. In addition, HAVA ensures that the most effective
voting equipment is available to states by funding research and pilot
programs, performing studies on voting technology, and providing explicit
voter guidelines and certification programs.

HAVA allocated funds for each state to purchase new voting systems
that comply with HAVA’s standards. In Michigan’s case, the Secretary of
State convened a HAVA Advisory Committee, on which I sat, to review the
available systems and Michigan’s needs for future elections. Last year,
Michigan’s Secretary of State announced that she selected an optical scan
voting system for Michigan. The optical scan voting system requires voters
to place a mark in a designated spot on the ballot next to the name of the
candidate receiving the vote. When the votes are counted these marks are
read by an optical scanner. The optical scan voting system creates and
preserves a paper trail of each vote, thereby greatly enhancing the
security and accuracy of election results.

Unfortunately, President Bush and the Congressional majority have
provided insufficient federal funding for HAVA programs, which has prompted
great concern. The Fiscal Year 2004 Omnibus appropriations Act
(P.L.108-199) allocated $500 million to improve our electoral system, only
half the amount authorized for FY04.

The inadequate funding for HAVA programs is especially discouraging
following the release of a report by the Information Security Institute at
Johns Hopkins University http://avirubin.com/vote.pdf . This and other
reports have found major flaws in certain software programs for “direct
record electronic” (DRE) voting systems, often referred to as
“touch-screen” voting, used in several states. If left uncorrected, these
flaws could intentionally enable unscrupulous persons to modify existing
votes or to cast multiple votes by using a counterfeit voting card.
Because of the fundamental importance of fair and accurate elections to our
democracy, I support providing additional funds for HAVA programs to ensure
that all voting systems and procedures, including DRE systems, are secure,
accurate, recountable, and accessible.

The goal of ensuring that every vote counts is essential to ensuring
democracy. American voters deserve an electoral process that is both
secure and accurate, and I will continue to work to ensure our voting
systems are both reliable and verifiable.

Thank you again for writing.

Sincerely,
Carl Levin

I very much appreciate his responce
even more, seeing as how he is one of the very few democrats
i've crossed my usual party line to vote for

Rekna · 11-18-2004, 08:57 AM

I have a question for you guys. Reguardless of whether this election contained massive fraud or not why not address the concerns that people have? If there is a minor chance that someone *could* steal an election via hacking of electronic machines shouldn't that be a concern for all parties? This isn't a partisin issue yet people are lineing up on partisin sides again. The election is over, Bush won. Now lets look into the way these machines work and make them better. If in the process it turns out there was voter fraud on either side is it really a bad thing that people know about it? I don't think so.

tellumFS · 11-18-2004, 02:44 PM

To an extent, this kind of thing is getting looked into - The Green and Libertarian parties have raised enough money for a recount in Ohio. ~4,000 extra votes for either candidate is wrong, and does need to be investigated. Does it imply wholesale fraud? Probably not. The electronic voting machines, regardless of who manufactures them need to be overhauled to provide a better level of accountability, and certain states are working on this, IIRC Nevada tested out a paper trail system for their machines.

I think that instead of hoping for long shot recount victories, Democrats need to realize that voting machines did not cost them this election - John Kerry did. His campaign didn't start to kick until late September, and then obviously didn't hold it's own. How did they lose to a President with job approval numbers below 50%? Maybe it's time to field better candidates.

11-09-2004, 07:07 AM	#41 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	link to a blog that is tracking voting irregularity information as it accumulates. posted as an index of the way information is gathering. check the series of links at the bottom of the page. i remain agnostic on the matter. but i am interested in it. http://freedomfrom.blogspot.com/ __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite

11-12-2004, 03:05 PM	#42 (permalink)
anleja disconnected Location: ignoreland	Here is a link which takes you to another link which takes you to a PDF file about someone's study on all this. I only skimmed through it because I need to get off the computer, but it looks pretty interesting... http://www.buzzflash.com/alerts/04/11/ale04090.html

11-18-2004, 08:57 AM	#44 (permalink)
Rekna Junkie	I have a question for you guys. Reguardless of whether this election contained massive fraud or not why not address the concerns that people have? If there is a minor chance that someone could steal an election via hacking of electronic machines shouldn't that be a concern for all parties? This isn't a partisin issue yet people are lineing up on partisin sides again. The election is over, Bush won. Now lets look into the way these machines work and make them better. If in the process it turns out there was voter fraud on either side is it really a bad thing that people know about it? I don't think so.

11-18-2004, 02:44 PM	#45 (permalink)
tellumFS Tilted	To an extent, this kind of thing is getting looked into - The Green and Libertarian parties have raised enough money for a recount in Ohio. ~4,000 extra votes for either candidate is wrong, and does need to be investigated. Does it imply wholesale fraud? Probably not. The electronic voting machines, regardless of who manufactures them need to be overhauled to provide a better level of accountability, and certain states are working on this, IIRC Nevada tested out a paper trail system for their machines. I think that instead of hoping for long shot recount victories, Democrats need to realize that voting machines did not cost them this election - John Kerry did. His campaign didn't start to kick until late September, and then obviously didn't hold it's own. How did they lose to a President with job approval numbers below 50%? Maybe it's time to field better candidates.