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11-05-2004, 03:47 PM | #1 (permalink) | |
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An error with an electronic voting system gave President Bush 3,893 extra votes
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Well damn. I don't know if it would matter but does anyone know if there will be an investigation.
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11-05-2004, 04:11 PM | #4 (permalink) |
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that's all anyone has say about this?
yeah, dems got their asses handed to them
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11-05-2004, 04:12 PM | #5 (permalink) |
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Doesn't anyone remember the fiasco with the Diebold CEO saying that he was, "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year"?
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11-05-2004, 04:18 PM | #6 (permalink) | |
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from the network that calls it like it sees it:
(a la 'asshole' *wink*) http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/....ap/index.html Quote:
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11-05-2004, 04:18 PM | #7 (permalink) | |
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11-05-2004, 04:42 PM | #9 (permalink) |
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DEMOCRATS, MODERATES AND ANYBODY ELSE WHO GIVES A DAMN
Go to this site they are starting a investigation into black box voting but they need our help: I already dontaed blackbox voting Last edited by Flyguy; 11-05-2004 at 04:46 PM.. |
11-06-2004, 09:24 AM | #10 (permalink) |
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there are reports surfacing about this kind of stuff from many places--i am holding back a little in terms of enagaing with the issue because i want to have at least some handle of the motivations i might have for finding it compelling.
but if you assume that there is really no bottom when it comes to realpolitik, then...
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11-06-2004, 11:43 AM | #11 (permalink) |
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the voting ....."errors" are spooky
no matter who you voted for, every voting american should be concerned! even if your favorite won this time, ... next election? has anyone watched the votergate video at http://www.votergate.tv after I watched the video I e-mailed both my senators, and my represenative to urge them to pass legislation to require a voter verifiable paper trail on ALL voting machines I would urge everybody in the U.S.A. to do the same you can do just that here http://www.congress.org/congressorg/home/
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11-06-2004, 12:11 PM | #12 (permalink) |
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is this really shocking?
I think bush/co were ingenious...first the florida debaucle to get everyone all ready for a new voting system, then implement a system that will assure that you always get what outcome you want...sure, you can't clean sweep bc that would be too suspicious, so you get a 3% victory here and there.... If you think about it, how hard would it be to write a bit of code that would shift say..1-2% of votes pressed for someone to go to someone else...it wouldn't be *that* far off from exit polling, so it wouldn't be suspicious and in a race this close, you'd see several outcomes change in your favor. /end conspiracy theorist
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11-06-2004, 12:33 PM | #13 (permalink) |
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seriously, now that this major error has been uncovered they need to look over and count all the paper backups because the machines cannot be trusted...oh wait...no paper backups exist...nice one diebold!
even a monkey can hack them....
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11-06-2004, 12:40 PM | #14 (permalink) |
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Those Diebold machines are fucking shit. The thing in NC where 4K votes were lost because the machines could only hold 3K votes...what kind of hunk of garbage machine can only hold three thousand votes? An array for the 100(extremely generous) candidates on the ballot, all with a single float(again, generous) variable that increments each time they get a vote. My 32MB keychain flashdrive I got for free from a vendor could hold that info. I don't know (or really have the energy to care) if there was deliberate fraud; we are taking ridiculous risks with our voting process.
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11-06-2004, 12:42 PM | #15 (permalink) | |
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It should be noted the Black Box Voting is *not* looking into the voting systems because they think the election was won unfairly. Their Freedom of Information request was filed BEFORE the election took place.
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=128331&cid=10718612 Quote:
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11-06-2004, 12:55 PM | #16 (permalink) |
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That there were voting irregularities does not surprise me.
That we should be concerned about it and try to minimize it as much as possible, I agree. But the level of paranoia in this thread is approaching Democratic Underground proportions. A couple of thousand votes either way will not matter as Bush took the state with over 100,000 votes. If someone can show me fraud on this level, then I'll begin to listen. Until then, this thread seems better suited for "Tilted Paranoia", not "Tilted Politics".
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11-06-2004, 01:17 PM | #17 (permalink) |
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Let's not move it just yet. Remember when we thought that there were WMDs in Iraq? Remember when we thought that Nixon was a saint? Remember when we thought that Clinton wasen't getting a little action via a cigar? Sometimes these things just happen to be true. Sometimes the conspiracy theory becomes a fact. This one already has some serious evidence behind it. People are always skeptical going into the 'Paranoia' section, which I think hurts a lot of serious issues brought fourth on that page. Let's try to keep this open minded as long as possible, lest it end up like the theories about how 9/11 was carried out by someone other than Isslamic terrorists.
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11-06-2004, 02:04 PM | #18 (permalink) | |
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And That is the biggest problem. with no verifiable paper trail "fraud" or "errors" cannot be proven or disproven
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11-06-2004, 03:13 PM | #19 (permalink) |
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The Republicans were able to rig the vote enough to give Bush a 4 million vote majority.
But stupid enough to have 4000 more votes then could be possible and have the error detected the night of the election while voting was still going on. This reminds me of some of the Arab propaganda about how stupid the jews are and how diabolicly clever at the same time. I am NOT in favor of black box voting, not in the least, but trying to base your case on something like this isn't going to help you.
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11-06-2004, 03:22 PM | #21 (permalink) | |
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How many elections have you been around for?
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11-06-2004, 03:35 PM | #22 (permalink) | |
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the arguments presented below are interesting.
i remain agnostic on the matter as a function of not having yet been sure why i find these stories to be compelling. but it seems pretty clear that this is not simply a matter for paranoids. apologies for the length. Quote:
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11-07-2004, 07:35 AM | #24 (permalink) | |
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From what I read about this, it was not a Diebold machine, and was only used in one county. It was apparently an error with some type of cartridge. Dunno tho.
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11-07-2004, 08:04 AM | #25 (permalink) |
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guys...the major problem with these machines is that the machines are designed with no paper backup, insecure software, easily to remove audit logs, and closed source programing. If any of these things were fixed then the elections would run much smoother...
I'm thinking Freebsd that writes the audit log to a tape drive that can't rewrite (erase)
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11-07-2004, 10:54 AM | #26 (permalink) |
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Wait, so instead of winning by 3,500,000 votes, Bush only won by 3,496,000 votes? This is an outrage!
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11-07-2004, 11:26 AM | #27 (permalink) |
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like i said, i am watching such information on this as surfaces and remain at this point agnostic on the matter.
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11-07-2004, 12:11 PM | #28 (permalink) | |
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11-07-2004, 12:36 PM | #29 (permalink) |
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see this time you don't have simultaneously a problem with voting and a problem with television's coverage of the voting as you did in florida last time out.
so there is not the same kind of focus on voting irregularities this time. since it seems that concern from the right is a strict function on how television understands and frame what is and is not a crisis, of course these irregularities are not a problem. noting them is therefore "whining" yes. of course it is.
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11-07-2004, 12:38 PM | #30 (permalink) |
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No its just whining.
Unwilling to accept defeat, the radical left would rather blame corruption caused their loss rather then the fact that America didn't want them.
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11-07-2004, 12:45 PM | #31 (permalink) |
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3% difference.
of the 40% of the electorate that voted, a 3% margin. hardly a mandate, hardly anything overwhelming. from which is follows, obviously, that"america" did not say one thing. i know that the right would prefer to pretend otherwise. but as usual, the facts are a problem in this.
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11-07-2004, 12:59 PM | #32 (permalink) |
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I did not vote for Bush.
Bush has won the election. Life goes on, and voting irregularities are par for the course. Bush is the President of the United States, and it seems rightfully so. This is NOT a repeat of 2000. For those of us who decided not to vote for Bush.....we must now decide to make the best of this situation, which to me means accepting it in the first place, and only then, making any dissatisfaction with policy known. I for one, know when and where to pick my battles, and this one is lost. fairly. Perhaps it is time to pay attention to the present choices before us (as in policy and legislation) rather than beat this horse.....which obviously died some time ago.
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11-07-2004, 01:03 PM | #33 (permalink) | |
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11-07-2004, 02:29 PM | #34 (permalink) | |
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11-07-2004, 04:20 PM | #35 (permalink) | |
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Ok, I'm seriously starting to wonder about some things here. I can't believe how many people are going off on Diebold in this post when it WAS NOT EVEN DIEBOLD MACHINES THAT CAUSED THIS ERROR!
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11-07-2004, 04:37 PM | #36 (permalink) |
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Fair enough. I had the impression these were diebold machines based on the comments in this thread. I wasnt trying to attribute any deceibt or purposeful bias by diebold for any candidate, I was just pointing out their e-voting machines have had serious issues.
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11-07-2004, 04:42 PM | #37 (permalink) | |
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11-07-2004, 05:08 PM | #38 (permalink) | |
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While I agree that it is very doubtful anything about this could actually turn the election, it troubles me that the bush supporters here dont seem to care about the problems and simply blame everything on the whiny democracts refusing to give up. These are serious problems with these machines and should be taken as such. The attitudes of the bush supporters on this page only support any claims about them by "lefties".
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You should realise that the popular vote is not important as you seem to think it is. Seeing as Gore won the popular by about 500,000 votes and still lost the election. It seems like it would be more accurate to say Bush won by whatever his lead in Ohio/Florida and any other of the states that were up in the air at one point. And I dont think it really matters what machines they were. Errors were made, period.
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11-07-2004, 05:28 PM | #39 (permalink) |
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My post wasn't completely on track, and I decided to give it its own thread.
http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...85#post1520285 Last edited by MSD; 11-09-2004 at 12:06 PM.. |
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