How will you feel if Bush is re-elected?
 

Which of the following will describe your feelings if George W. Bush is re-elected President of the United States for another 4 years this Tuesday?

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Happy happy, joy joy, happy happy, joy!

i am borderline between nothing and disappointed. Reason being is I don't feel the current administration has done anything to better the country, but the main competition in this election is not very promising. While on the one hand I would like to see Kerry in office (just to get the current admin out), it means that in 2008 we are stuck with Kerry v. whoever. I would rather have a choice of 2 new candidates in 2008.

Wow, THAT happy, Ustwo?
:lol:

I voted postal, because I'd rather see Gomer Pyle in offfice. At least he was in the service.

One of the ecstatic votes is mine :)

I voted Disappointed. But what I will most likely feel is Heart Broken. It would just be so sad.

I had to vote Satisfied. I think that given what has happened Bush reacted probably the way the majority of people in the U.S would...Thus even if someone is stupid enough to say that he is dumb or a puppet or he made stupid mistakes. They should ask themselves if they actualy would of done better.. Everyone makes mistakes, Everyone has problems, the is not perfect all powerfull person in this world who has not at one time or anouther made a mistake.

My point being that no one here has the right to insult anything Bush has done no matter what their opinion is of him or the way he has done things simply because they chances are none of you have had the same choices laid out for you and have no had to pick between the decisions he has.
So before you go on and think that he is a "bad" president i would simply ask that you actualy think about what your saying and make sure it has a logical and reasonable basis...


Anyway, to be clear i would have it know that i simply have this veiw because it to me seems the logical one. I am not supportive of Bush. But i am neither supportive of any other candidate....

Thanks to Gore, its going to be LONG past Tuesday unless its a blow out.

I'm not terribly excited about Bush being president for another 4 years, however I'm not terribly worried about it either. I am worried that the anybody but Bush sheep might actually be powerful enough to get Kerry elected.....this worries me A LOT. Personally I think they both suck, I just think Kerry sucks more.

I voted satisfied.

While I do agree that this administration has made a few mistakes, I feel that Kerry has little to offer. Every time I see him, I see a person blown by the issues, guided by a minority of voices and utterly without backbone.

President Bush got handed a plate full of shit. He reopened a war that has little chance of being a full victory and has ran up a huge deficet while doing it. I do wonder what other choices he had. Clearly some people are holding military screwups and other blunders against him personally when the initial blame belongs to the intelligence community, the military planners, and at least in part to the politics of war.

The vacuum of assistance by the United Nations and not going into Iraq would have created an even poorer image to the world.

Here is an email snip from a friend of mine that is on active duty.

I have heard this same sentiment from several of our soldiers. The thing worst than being held due to stop loss is having to work for a Commander-in-Chief that does not believe you are doing what needs to be done (been there personally under Clinton). During this time of strife, I will vote for continuity in war, I will vote for consistency for the troops, I will vote for Bush.

You mean thanks to George Bush and Katherine Harris and all the other hacks down in Florida.

George Bush filed the first lawsuit outside of some voters.

If Bush was only mediocre, and exhibited sincere but misguided intentions,
there would be some validity to your points. If the majority of voters believe,
as I do, that Bush is not sincere and does not exhibit good intentions, and
the voting results are not manipulated more criminally than they have
already been in the last four years, i will respect the voters' choice.
I strongly believe that Bush's words, policies, and actions not only prompt
a skeptical and highly critical repsonse, but that in view of his squandering
his post 9-11 reputation as a resolute leader, he has justly earned a
reputation as an incompetent and untrustworthy liability to the troops and
the civilians of this country. Legitimately winning this election will not
vindicate Bush, but it will most likly further the danage his presidency has already inflicted on the nation.

Disappointed.

I'd think that people would have more common sense than to allow that to happen, but after all, the general population (aka the same mass of people who think Iraq had a part in 9/11) isn't that smart ;)

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Although right now, I'd be *very* surprised if Bush was allowed a second term.

voted "happy". Would like to be ecsatic someday......



/feels that I do have common sense regardless of what people believe or say around here

Disappointed.
It saddens me that enough people down in the states would see this man and his cohorts as the best option for their country. I like Americans, but I'll have to have second thoughts in regards to the intelligence of the population if he's reappointed.
You guys are being led down the wrong path and will suffer the consequences for years to come IMO.

I wish suicidal was up there. I honestly don't see how The United States, and more importantly the world can live through another four years of him and his administration.

If you look at the ratio of Bush to Kerry voters. You might find that while we may or may not believe Iraq had anything to do with 911. We actually have businesses, run corporations, work for a living, watch our kids play soccer, and pay taxes. We may have voted for more than one presidential election. We may look deeper than the finger pointing and name calling.

Nice troll though :thumbsup:

I am more concerned for the state of our collective consiousness than I am for the outcome of this election. It is time that we gain some greater sense of unity among ourselves.

It wasn't a troll... it's funny when people say that, because "troll" in that case means "oh you said something I don't agree with."

Other than that, your post made no sense.

So, people who have kids that play soccer, work, have businesses, pay taxes (?) vote for Bush because voting for Kerry would otherwise make you unable to do so? Mmmmkay... haha.

(Perhaps that post just about made my point? ;))

i won't say postal, since there's a difference between anger and violence...but it'd be darn near close. that said...i think this will end up being vain speculation.

Its not that I don't agree with you, though I don't. Its that you portrayed yourself as a credible judge of human intelligence.

If stating that the general population that votes for Bush "isn't that smart" and do not have any "common sense" is not a troll, then I apologize.

I would say "curious" about how low this administration can go. With nothing to lose in 2008 I think we will be in for one hell of a ride.

I hate this whole cult of personality that Bush erected around himself. Presidents are not supposed to be average Joes. Our president holds the most powerful position on the planet. If he starts making irrational decision, mistakes and telling people lies then it's time to boot him. Republican or Democrat, I don't care, buffoons have no place in the oval office.

And as usual it will be up to the conservative adults to suck it up after 4 years of liberal tempertantrum.

While I see where you are comming from Art and I understand your concern with the whole situation, I think liberalism as an ideology must be defeated, not compromised with.

somebody wanna do a similar kerry poll?

Yeah but, that's why I put "aka those who think Iraq had something to do w/ 9/11". Put the jump to conclusions mat away! You'd be VERY surprised at the amount of people out there who think Saddam caused 9/11 :)

I saw a truck just the other day w/ "Bush '04" stickers all over it, and all along the bumpers was, "Never forget 9/11. Let's smoke another camel!", and I thought, "that's why he's voting for Bush... how sad."

It wasn't meant to be a troll as much as it was meant to be a disturbing tidbit of reality. :thumbsup:

And for everyone like you, there is someone who thinks just the opposite.

Which is probably Art's concern.

appalled
like you would feel watching a friend blind himself.

I can't stand this line of thinking... that of comparing Bush to the average Joe. He's our President, there is a reason the average Joe isn't President. I would not expect the average Joe to react the right way in every tough situation. I wouldn't even expect the President to, though I would expect him to react the right way more often than not. Regardless, he IS the President and he needs to be held accountable for mistakes he has made, its part of the job.

P.s. Nothing personal against you cybersharp

HAHA, Thanks to Gore. How come every other state could correctly and punctually count every vote for every election thus far? Yet the state where a candidate's brother is the Governor, suddenly problems arise. But of course this is just a leftist conspiracy theory. Hail to the thief.

Thats not true, and in fact voting problems were no worse in Florida then any other state.

The only reason it was Florida and not some other state is Florida is the one that mattered vote wise.

What is true is that Gore didn't ask for a state wide recount and tried to get it selectively recounted while bringing the partisan nature of the Florida supreme court to bear. His people tried to avoid election law, both state and federal. They tried also to invalidate as many military ballots as possible due to the fact that most people in the military vote republican.

Had he simpley asked for a state wide recall all would have been fine, instead he tried to weasle his way to victory, and set a new low for presidential elections.

If Bush gets in again, i'm packing my bags heading down into a bunker and chill out till at least Tony Blair loses his election. Even then i'll only come out to vote and then hide again. I don't want to invade a country with real weapons (Iran as an example), but on the bright side of things that won't happen because i have seen into the future and he has lost (fingers crossed).

Bush frightens me.

"I don't read newpapers" - George W. Bush

I thought that the system was set up for the average joe to be able to become President.

But with that said, I don't think that Bush is an average joe at all. Anyone with an Ivy leage education is not average, by far. I think that Bush plays the average joe for the average joe, because no one likes to be shown up.

But The president needs to be held accontable for his or her (someday) mistakes. But at his level I think that the public should wait more than a few months to decied if a mistake has been made. Let the decisions run their courses and then we will see the outcome. Then only with the outcome can we see if the actions taken were correct. We need learn to wait.

I go to RPI, a school at the level of MIT... The Ivy League level of engineering schools. And believe me, complete MORONS can get a degree in this school by writing in 2 pt font on crib sheets, going to all open lab and TA Office hours, getting by on group work, and studying all night. And then... they know nothing after they're finished the class. It wouldn't take a lot of imaginiation to accept that this can go on in a business-type school as well.

relieved that kerry has been defeated.

Where's the option for suicidal?

strictly out of curiosity, are you serious? And if so, how will you do it?

/supports the right to die with dignity

The same, not nothing, but the same.

I'd be happy to see Kerry lose, but not really happy to see Bush win.

Postal! I might end up joining the riots that will most likely take place if he gets re-elected......;)

I guess frightened. I dont think anyone in Europe can believe this can happen... but I keep reading in the states it is running neck and neck.

I will feel nothing. I'm voting for the lesser of two evils is all.

No I am not.

I'm going to start drinking heavily because the next few years are going to be rough ( I don't drink at all now in case your wondering).

I would go fricking berserk if he were re-elected. No way this country could survive three terms of him and remain a recognizable democracy.

Fortunately, he seems unlikely to be elected even once.

wow... that's kinda gay. couldn't find a sponge bob square pants pic? :D

(no offense meant, it's just the pic..., not the statement that goes with it)

I'm going for Ecstatic!!!

Forgive him Ustwo, he knows not what he says.

On a side note: wouldn't Bush being re-elected require him being elected in the first place?

I said dissapointed. Only because I'd be dissapointed that our nation would continue to tolarate Bush. That and the reason Bush would win hangs solely on the abortion vote. The fact that people will not overlook the abortion issue, even when they disagree with pretty much agree with all of Kerry's other ideas, is disapointing to me.

"Frightened" really should have been up there; I'm feeling it too.

Three terms? What, did I miss the repeal of the 22nd amendment???

Indeed. I think many, many others in America and abroad feel this way.
War is a frightening thing.
The Unknown is a frightening thing.
Both at the same time, well, it speaks for itself doesn't it.

I'm sure it's because of the way bush was "elected" the first time around. :p
I tought it was a clever comment :thumbsup:

Try reading the applicable law sometime. Personally, I've never thought a display of ignorance was particularly clever. But hey, that's just me.

meh, not my country...I could care less... I still thought it was a clever comment

The premise of the question is how would you feel if Bush were re-elected. Since, in the unlikely event he is elected tomorrow, it will be the first election he has won, then the only way he could possibly be re-elected is to run for and win a third term, which would, I understand, involve another ammendment. On the other hand, I have not noticed that this administration pays particular attention to the Constitution when they find it inconvenient, which leads to my concern over this country surviving in it's present form if the current occupant of the whitehouse wins two elections, securing a second and third term thereby.

Thanks, splck, but clever sometimes confuses folks who dig on the plain spoken wholesome cowboy goodness that is Bush's public brand.

You beat me to the punch......I was going to point out that Bush was selected
by 5 SCOTUS justices 4 years ago. If he loses the election later today, about
half those who voted in 2000 will view Bush as the second president to serve
in the last 30 years who was unelected. At least Ford was elected to a federal office.....congressman from Michigan.

So far, the voting here is <h3>83 negative and 27 positive</h3>
as a reaction to the possibility of a Bush victory.

Seems that the Bush supporters at this politics forum, if they have weighed in on this thread in a representative number, project a presence on this forum in a much more vocal and with greater frequency per capita than Kerry supporters.

Please read: http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitut...dmentxxii.html

It's "on the four corners", as they say.

Such belligerent words, coming from you....someone I who have
reluctantly grown to respect and admire because you convinced me that you
are a competent attorney blessed with a sense of humor, a sharp wit, and
an intelligent way of assessing and describing issues and events, even if you
arrive at an opinion opposite of mine, surprise me! Please consider that even legal scholars <br>and SCOTUS justices disagree on this very contentious legal confrontation.Your response, quote above, leaves me little choice but to post the following:

ROTFLMAO!!! :) Dear, dear host....if that's your idea of "belligerent", you lead a much more peaceful, serene life than I do. :icare:

I'm going to try to do this without undue sarcasm. I suggest you compare the date on your quote with the date of February 12, 1999, and tell me which date came first.

This is how I'd feel:
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[QUOTE=Boo]He reopened a war that has little chance of being a full victory and has ran up a huge deficet while doing it. I do wonder what other choices he had.
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Good point, but I feel he cares little about the deficit he has single handedly created. He knows eventually he will be out of office and will not have to deal with it at all. I hate to point to Clinton because he was inthe right place at the right time, but he still managed to smooth things out and remain on good terms with foreign countries. We were prosperous and respected. Bush really was handed a plate full of shit, I agree. But he doesn't seem to care about fixing it. He laughs too much when on tv and appears to be too jovial about everything. He has allowed corporations to reshape things like clean air laws. Isn't that little strange? Instead of holding true to many Americans, he sems to have just picked his friends.

An exceptional president should be re-elected. I just don't believe Bush has been exceptional. Is Kerry a great replacement? We don't really know.

At this point.. I'm beginning to think that maybe this country deserves everything it will go through. Natural selection after all..

If people are foolish enough to re-elect him back into office, then they simply have to deal with the consequences when the time comes, I guess.

We're given this opportunity to assess a situation and fix any mistakes that are presented to us (and there are a lot), and we just let it fall apart. Unfortunately, when you allow a majority of fools to vote, you run the risk (of course) of allowing a fool into power. The lovely double-edged sword of our representative govt...

When used properly, the system works wonders, but when misused, as we have seen, can be very dangerous.

If Bush wins, I won't complain... but I hope people don't expect me to stand up for this country when the time comes or hold any respect for it, because I'll just smile and turn the other way.. maybe utter an, "I told you so," or two.

Deal with your own probs!

If W wins?

Better than if Kerry won. Good. I guess.

I voted satisfied.

I'll be slightly disappointed, but will get on with my life.

Well, by your reasoning, he should be eligible for a third term since he wasn't elected the first time around.

Hey Stompy -

Remember this?

You said it here:

http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...t=74455&page=2

um, care to explain your actions? I am not surprised, just didn't think you would be so blatent.

I'm going to be postal to see him elected this time round. I dislike and disapprove of him!

Since it appears to be pretty much for Bush, I am satisfied. I think Bush is the best of all of the candidates out there, and will do the best job.

I want a "fucked" option, please.

You do...it's called "Kerry".

The system is set up so that anyone can become president, regardless of race, gender (supposedly), family connections, etc. I expect any presidential candidate, however, to be a cut above the average joe. Smart enough to surround himself with the right people to advise you on things you don't know about, and wise enough to admit a mistake and take action to correct it, rather than plunging blindly over the cliff.

From the way this election appears to be going, it appears my fellow Americans do not agree.

I'll agree that Bush is not as dumb as he is made out to be. Mostly, the image comes from his utter lack of public speaking skills. That self-satisfied smirk he gets anytime he manages to make a semi-coherent point doesn't help, either.

I'm not at all impressed by his Ivy League education, though. He got in through his family connections and daddy's money, and just barely squeaked by the entire time.

Yet he managed to not only graduate from Yale, but get into Harvard Business School (without family connections) and graduate there too.

It's going to be great!

anyone who promises to leave country when bush wins should start packing.

Happy - and safer

With A republican controlled congress- NOTHING Kerry voted on would get passed - and MOST people agree he's weaker on terror ( according to opinion polls)

Atleast with a Republican in office we can get things done AND be safer.

Mr. Kerrys tax cut repeals, Increase in taxes, etc wouldnt pass ;)


So Safer, and more confident in Americas future

Looks like Bush has Won it. Yipeee

i can only hope for the impeachment process to begin!!!

It's not over yet.

Looks like Bush just won his first election ;) Accoding to Fox and Drudge, that is, which means there's still no declred winner, just a lot of BS :)

Don't watch Fox News ;). I'm watching ABC and there is still hope for Kerry. I could only pray to the Gods above at this point! If Bush wins, let the riots begin!

hey man the packers won and sox came back from 3 down....i guess there is hope!!!

I demand a re-count if Bush wins Ohio!!! ;)

i've had my set tuned to fox off and on all night... they've made no such call for an overall winner so far.

The rest of the world will be devestated.
I literally mean, that Bush will destroy the world, war-monger he is. He reminds me of Robert Mugabe.

its only going to get uglier...i heard a mention of hitting the arctic refuge right off the bat.....i really don;t get it and probably never will....the world will not be the same.

The town in Georgia's got a law on the books
Says if we all got guns then we won't have crooks
Now what could make them think that way?
What could make them act that way?
They're just right wing pigeons from outer space
Sent here to destroy the human race
They don't give a damn about you or me
They just buy guns and watch TV
Let's go!
The lady in Detroit owns a can of mace
Got pissed at my brother so she sprayed it in his face
Now what could make her think that way?
What could make her act that way?
She's just a right wing pigeon from outer space
Sent here to destroy the human race
She don't give a damn about you or me
She just buys guns and watches TV
The man in the White House who just don't care
He starves little kids and he dyes his hair
Now what could make him think that way?
What could make him act that way?
He's just a right wing pigeon from outer space
Sent here to destroy the human race
He don't give a damn about you or me
He just buys guns and watches TV
Go!
dm

i'm out.

mrb

Ohio is going to be the next Florida. Let's hope if it is, it's in Kerry's favor.

Bush is ahead by way too many votes to overcome. No where near as close as Florida was. At 3:35 EST, 98% of the vote in, Bush ahead by 130,000+.

Honestly, I think Kerry is in bad shape. I was completely convinced he was going to win...no, HAD to win coming into this, and I was very comforted by the earlier news. When Florida went Bush....well, that was not such good news.

As someone who is FIERCELY supporting Kerry in this election, and feel I have a whole LOT of my future at stake on this particular one (my first, as a member of the "where the fuck did they all go?" 20 year old block)...I am, or was, considering careers in both science and maybe the air force. Science isn't exactly Bush's best friend, but since I'm interested in space program stuff it isn't the end of the world.

The air force is another story. I have a big moral problem joining when I feel like I'd be agreeing to answer to an irresponsible commander in chief who would throw american power around on a whim without enough concern for life, both our own and others. Nor do I share his world view that we're the only people on the planet that matter, which seems to be the basis for a lot of foreign policy.

Now, it's not over yet, but I'm going to sleep, and I'm not sure I expect to see John Kerry on the front of tomorrow's paper, grinning and holding aloft a newspaper that says "Bush Defeats Kerry in Ohio" and laughing about the premature call.

That said, I pray to God he does somehow win. Probably because that's the only one who's going to be able ot pull it off.

How will I feel if he loses? REALLY mad. At least my state (and heavily campaigning family) did their part...Hooray for NJ.

Well, I would vote Angry and Happy together. Angry because the Idiot in the office and happy because there's now a small change that your country might be banckrupt after the next 4 years.

:D

ha, sty haven't seen you in here for ages.

right now i kinda feel like i'm in rome, circa 472AD... maybe that's a bit too harsh though... can bush play the fiddle?

Disappointed and Satisfied
Disappointed that you voted for bush (no excuses this time :p)
Satisfied that I were right with my forecast

pissed.. anyone that slips the Patriot Act in there and has the gaul to call it said name doesn't deserve to be the leader of this country. That single one is enough to piss me off.

I would be ectatic, Bush needs to be in office and finish what he has started. I think we will be in better hands with him.
I would have been sick to my stomach if Kerry won.
*keeps fingers crossed*

Always look on the bright side of life!

Bush will deservedly be held 100% responsible for the absolute mess that is and will continue to be the war in Iraq.

It's the Pottery Barn rule.

1. I already quoted the statement that made me post that in that very thread you linked to (page 1). Should be self explanitory.

2. Wrong thread. If you want to see the quote, read through the thread. No need to cross post.

The citizens of Iraq should be allowed to cast a vote in this election, and the rest of the world for that matter.

Except for the fact that only naturalized or natural born US citizens can vote but I guess I see your point there... lets lose requirements for being President too.