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View Poll Results: How will you feel if BUSH is Re-elected?
Ecstatic 34 13.13%
Happy 16 6.18%
Satisfied 20 7.72%
Nothing 11 4.25%
Disappointed 75 28.96%
Angry 46 17.76%
Postal 57 22.01%
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Old 10-31-2004, 12:06 PM   #1 (permalink)
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How will you feel if Bush is re-elected?

Which of the following will describe your feelings if George W. Bush is re-elected President of the United States for another 4 years this Tuesday?
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Old 10-31-2004, 12:12 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 10-31-2004, 12:16 PM   #3 (permalink)
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i am borderline between nothing and disappointed. Reason being is I don't feel the current administration has done anything to better the country, but the main competition in this election is not very promising. While on the one hand I would like to see Kerry in office (just to get the current admin out), it means that in 2008 we are stuck with Kerry v. whoever. I would rather have a choice of 2 new candidates in 2008.
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Old 10-31-2004, 12:21 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Happy happy, joy joy, happy happy, joy!
Wow, THAT happy, Ustwo?
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Old 10-31-2004, 12:24 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Old 10-31-2004, 12:25 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Old 10-31-2004, 12:36 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I voted Disappointed. But what I will most likely feel is Heart Broken. It would just be so sad.
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Old 10-31-2004, 12:42 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I had to vote Satisfied. I think that given what has happened Bush reacted probably the way the majority of people in the U.S would...Thus even if someone is stupid enough to say that he is dumb or a puppet or he made stupid mistakes. They should ask themselves if they actualy would of done better.. Everyone makes mistakes, Everyone has problems, the is not perfect all powerfull person in this world who has not at one time or anouther made a mistake.

My point being that no one here has the right to insult anything Bush has done no matter what their opinion is of him or the way he has done things simply because they chances are none of you have had the same choices laid out for you and have no had to pick between the decisions he has.
So before you go on and think that he is a "bad" president i would simply ask that you actualy think about what your saying and make sure it has a logical and reasonable basis...


Anyway, to be clear i would have it know that i simply have this veiw because it to me seems the logical one. I am not supportive of Bush. But i am neither supportive of any other candidate....
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Old 10-31-2004, 12:44 PM   #9 (permalink)
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... this Tuesday?
Thanks to Gore, its going to be LONG past Tuesday unless its a blow out.
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Old 10-31-2004, 12:49 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I'm not terribly excited about Bush being president for another 4 years, however I'm not terribly worried about it either. I am worried that the anybody but Bush sheep might actually be powerful enough to get Kerry elected.....this worries me A LOT. Personally I think they both suck, I just think Kerry sucks more.
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Old 10-31-2004, 12:53 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I voted satisfied.

While I do agree that this administration has made a few mistakes, I feel that Kerry has little to offer. Every time I see him, I see a person blown by the issues, guided by a minority of voices and utterly without backbone.

President Bush got handed a plate full of shit. He reopened a war that has little chance of being a full victory and has ran up a huge deficet while doing it. I do wonder what other choices he had. Clearly some people are holding military screwups and other blunders against him personally when the initial blame belongs to the intelligence community, the military planners, and at least in part to the politics of war.

The vacuum of assistance by the United Nations and not going into Iraq would have created an even poorer image to the world.

Here is an email snip from a friend of mine that is on active duty.

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The Global War on Terror/Military Draft/Other Military Fallacies: In the military, we call it GWOT. It's there. it's real. And it's not going away, even if we leave Iraq. We need to stay the course to help spread freedom and to protect our sons and daughters from going through their own 9/11 later down the road. I know, I know, Mr. Kerry, that you love to state that we've lost over 1000 personnel in Iraq. That we've lost more this month than last month, more than last month than the month before that, etc. But the media (and the Kerry camp) thrives on perpetuating the bad news, and doesn't do much to report on the good that is going on over there. We are affecting change! This is not another Vietnam - this is an example of the phrase, "The best defense is a good offense." God Bless a President who will make the tough decisions to protect our country, at all costs, and God Bless the soldiers who are over there doing their job because they know they are making history, making a difference (and there are plenty of soldiers over there who support being over there and what they do!)

Draft? What draft? We're not having a draft any time soon. The entire military is going through a phase called Force Shaping. We are doing more with less, but we are doing it smarter. I can't speak for the other services, but in the Air Force, we are DECREASING the size of the force by 20,000 or so this year. We're doing that by separating Airmen who WANT to separate before their enlistment is up, by kicking out those who have Article 15 convictions or have otherwise gotten into trouble, and by DECREASING new recruitment by 11,000 this year. But we're still getting the job done. We have adopted a concept called the Air Expeditionary Force, which in a nutshell means that instead of being stationed all over the world as we were during the Cold War, we're establishing leaner, quicker, stronger groups of forces in a variety of specialties that can deploy at a moment's notice. We've been at this for a few years, long before Iraqi Freedom. With the AEF, each base knows when it's "on the bubble" (either going to deploy or going to be on call in case they're needed) and each unit gets a sufficient amount of time to gear up for, as well as to recuperate from, their time "on the bubble." This way, it's never a surprise, so we can plan our family vacations, school schedules, etc. around our time "on the bubble." How are we doing this and still decreasing our forces? By contracting out many non-combat jobs to civilians (i.e. Finance, Personnel, Medical, etc. - thus, creating more civilian jobs in military communities.) Mr. Kerry likes to refer to the Stop Loss program as a "back door draft." It's not. What it does is allows the military to TEMPORARILY keep personnel in critical specialties in the military until those recruits in Basic Training and Technical School are finished with their training and are able to fill the gaps caused by those who want to separate from the military. Stop Loss is not a wartime "back-door draft" program - it's a military personnel management tool, just like enlistment/reenlistment bonuses, Flight Pay, etc. that's used during peacetime, too. I was on Stop Loss during the Gulf War - my AF specialty is aircraft weapons loading (bomb/missile loading) and of course we were needed during the Gulf War. My enlistment came up while I was deployed to Saudi Arabia in support of Desert Storm and I was unable to get out of the AF. But a funny thing happened while I was on Stop Loss waiting to get out - I realized that the AF is a GREAT way of life, and next thing you know, I'm closing in on 17 years of proud military service. I don't know where I'd be now if I hadn't been affected by Stop Loss, but I know where I'll be in 3 years - a decorated military veteran with 20 years of proud and faithful sevice to my country behind me. And do you know what I fear the most during these last 3 years? I'm afraid of having to serve under John Kerry. He'd be my Commander in Chief, and as such, I am supposed to take a bullet for him if I were ever in that situation. My inner conflict is that if I were to ever be in that position, I couldn't do it, I WOULDN'T do it. I couldn't give my life for a Commander in Chief who doesn't support the military 100%, someone who I personally feel is shady and deceptive and lacking moral character. President Bush? I'd lay down my life for him in a heartbeat. Even if I was a Democrat, I wouldn't vote for a man who downplays the importance of our National Guard by trying to say that his military service was more important than GWB's because he served in Vietnam and GWB just served in the Guard back home. The National Guard is a pivotal part of our Total Force. Many people remember after 9/11 that we had air patrols 24/7 up and down America's coasts, protecting key cities like NYC, Washington DC, LA...but what people probably don't know is that the active duty Air Force, for the most part, stopped supporting that mission a long time ago. Those missions are now flown by Guard and Reserve units. For John Kerry to insinuate that it's no big deal or importance to serve in the Guard is a slap on the face to all military personnel.
I have heard this same sentiment from several of our soldiers. The thing worst than being held due to stop loss is having to work for a Commander-in-Chief that does not believe you are doing what needs to be done (been there personally under Clinton). During this time of strife, I will vote for continuity in war, I will vote for consistency for the troops, I will vote for Bush.
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Old 10-31-2004, 12:55 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Thanks to Gore, its going to be LONG past Tuesday unless its a blow out.
You mean thanks to George Bush and Katherine Harris and all the other hacks down in Florida.

George Bush filed the first lawsuit outside of some voters.
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Old 10-31-2004, 01:17 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I had to vote Satisfied. I think that given what has happened Bush reacted probably the way the majority of people in the U.S would...Thus even if someone is stupid enough to say that he is dumb or a puppet or he made stupid mistakes. They should ask themselves if they actualy would of done better.. Everyone makes mistakes, Everyone has problems, the is not perfect all powerfull person in this world who has not at one time or anouther made a mistake.

My point being that no one here has the right to insult anything Bush has done no matter what their opinion is of him or the way he has done things simply because they chances are none of you have had the same choices laid out for you and have no had to pick between the decisions he has.
So before you go on and think that he is a "bad" president i would simply ask that you actualy think about what your saying and make sure it has a logical and reasonable basis...


Anyway, to be clear i would have it know that i simply have this veiw because it to me seems the logical one. I am not supportive of Bush. But i am neither supportive of any other candidate....
If Bush was only mediocre, and exhibited sincere but misguided intentions,
there would be some validity to your points. If the majority of voters believe,
as I do, that Bush is not sincere and does not exhibit good intentions, and
the voting results are not manipulated more criminally than they have
already been in the last four years, i will respect the voters' choice.
I strongly believe that Bush's words, policies, and actions not only prompt
a skeptical and highly critical repsonse, but that in view of his squandering
his post 9-11 reputation as a resolute leader, he has justly earned a
reputation as an incompetent and untrustworthy liability to the troops and
the civilians of this country. Legitimately winning this election will not
vindicate Bush, but it will most likly further the danage his presidency has already inflicted on the nation.
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Old 10-31-2004, 01:31 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Disappointed.

I'd think that people would have more common sense than to allow that to happen, but after all, the general population (aka the same mass of people who think Iraq had a part in 9/11) isn't that smart

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Although right now, I'd be *very* surprised if Bush was allowed a second term.
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Old 10-31-2004, 01:34 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Old 10-31-2004, 01:39 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Disappointed.
It saddens me that enough people down in the states would see this man and his cohorts as the best option for their country. I like Americans, but I'll have to have second thoughts in regards to the intelligence of the population if he's reappointed.
You guys are being led down the wrong path and will suffer the consequences for years to come IMO.
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Old 10-31-2004, 01:42 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I wish suicidal was up there. I honestly don't see how The United States, and more importantly the world can live through another four years of him and his administration.
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Old 10-31-2004, 01:49 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Disappointed.

I'd think that people would have more common sense than to allow that to happen, but after all, the general population (aka the same mass of people who think Iraq had a part in 9/11) isn't that smart

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Although right now, I'd be *very* surprised if Bush was allowed a second term.
If you look at the ratio of Bush to Kerry voters. You might find that while we may or may not believe Iraq had anything to do with 911. We actually have businesses, run corporations, work for a living, watch our kids play soccer, and pay taxes. We may have voted for more than one presidential election. We may look deeper than the finger pointing and name calling.

Nice troll though
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Old 10-31-2004, 01:52 PM   #19 (permalink)
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I am more concerned for the state of our collective consiousness than I am for the outcome of this election. It is time that we gain some greater sense of unity among ourselves.
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Old 10-31-2004, 01:57 PM   #20 (permalink)
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If you look at the ratio of Bush to Kerry voters. You might find that while we may or may not believe Iraq had anything to do with 911. We actually have businesses, run corporations, work for a living, watch our kids play soccer, and pay taxes. We may have voted for more than one presidential election. We may look deeper than the finger pointing and name calling.

Nice troll though
It wasn't a troll... it's funny when people say that, because "troll" in that case means "oh you said something I don't agree with."

Other than that, your post made no sense.

So, people who have kids that play soccer, work, have businesses, pay taxes (?) vote for Bush because voting for Kerry would otherwise make you unable to do so? Mmmmkay... haha.

(Perhaps that post just about made my point? )
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Old 10-31-2004, 02:06 PM   #21 (permalink)
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i won't say postal, since there's a difference between anger and violence...but it'd be darn near close. that said...i think this will end up being vain speculation.
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Old 10-31-2004, 02:07 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Disappointed.

I'd think that people would have more common sense than to allow that to happen, but after all, the general population (aka the same mass of people who think Iraq had a part in 9/11) isn't that smart

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Although right now, I'd be *very* surprised if Bush was allowed a second term.
Its not that I don't agree with you, though I don't. Its that you portrayed yourself as a credible judge of human intelligence.

If stating that the general population that votes for Bush "isn't that smart" and do not have any "common sense" is not a troll, then I apologize.
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Old 10-31-2004, 02:07 PM   #23 (permalink)
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I would say "curious" about how low this administration can go. With nothing to lose in 2008 I think we will be in for one hell of a ride.

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I hate this whole cult of personality that Bush erected around himself. Presidents are not supposed to be average Joes. Our president holds the most powerful position on the planet. If he starts making irrational decision, mistakes and telling people lies then it's time to boot him. Republican or Democrat, I don't care, buffoons have no place in the oval office.
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Old 10-31-2004, 02:09 PM   #24 (permalink)
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I am more concerned for the state of our collective consiousness than I am for the outcome of this election. It is time that we gain some greater sense of unity among ourselves.
And as usual it will be up to the conservative adults to suck it up after 4 years of liberal tempertantrum.

While I see where you are comming from Art and I understand your concern with the whole situation, I think liberalism as an ideology must be defeated, not compromised with.
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Old 10-31-2004, 02:13 PM   #25 (permalink)
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somebody wanna do a similar kerry poll?

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Old 10-31-2004, 02:17 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Its not that I don't agree with you, though I don't. Its that you portrayed yourself as a credible judge of human intelligence.

If stating that the general population that votes for Bush "isn't that smart" and do not have any "common sense" is not a troll, then I apologize.
Yeah but, that's why I put "aka those who think Iraq had something to do w/ 9/11". Put the jump to conclusions mat away! You'd be VERY surprised at the amount of people out there who think Saddam caused 9/11

I saw a truck just the other day w/ "Bush '04" stickers all over it, and all along the bumpers was, "Never forget 9/11. Let's smoke another camel!", and I thought, "that's why he's voting for Bush... how sad."

It wasn't meant to be a troll as much as it was meant to be a disturbing tidbit of reality.
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And as usual it will be up to the conservative adults to suck it up after 4 years of liberal tempertantrum.

While I see where you are comming from Art and I understand your concern with the whole situation, I think liberalism as an ideology must be defeated, not compromised with.
And for everyone like you, there is someone who thinks just the opposite.

Which is probably Art's concern.
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Old 11-01-2004, 06:27 AM   #29 (permalink)
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I had to vote Satisfied. I think that given what has happened Bush reacted probably the way the majority of people in the U.S would...Thus even if someone is stupid enough to say that he is dumb or a puppet or he made stupid mistakes. They should ask themselves if they actualy would of done better.. Everyone makes mistakes, Everyone has problems, the is not perfect all powerfull person in this world who has not at one time or anouther made a mistake.

My point being that no one here has the right to insult anything Bush has done no matter what their opinion is of him or the way he has done things simply because they chances are none of you have had the same choices laid out for you and have no had to pick between the decisions he has.
So before you go on and think that he is a "bad" president i would simply ask that you actualy think about what your saying and make sure it has a logical and reasonable basis...
I can't stand this line of thinking... that of comparing Bush to the average Joe. He's our President, there is a reason the average Joe isn't President. I would not expect the average Joe to react the right way in every tough situation. I wouldn't even expect the President to, though I would expect him to react the right way more often than not. Regardless, he IS the President and he needs to be held accountable for mistakes he has made, its part of the job.

P.s. Nothing personal against you cybersharp
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Old 11-01-2004, 06:39 AM   #30 (permalink)
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Thanks to Gore, its going to be LONG past Tuesday unless its a blow out.
HAHA, Thanks to Gore. How come every other state could correctly and punctually count every vote for every election thus far? Yet the state where a candidate's brother is the Governor, suddenly problems arise. But of course this is just a leftist conspiracy theory. Hail to the thief.
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Old 11-01-2004, 06:45 AM   #31 (permalink)
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HAHA, Thanks to Gore. How come every other state could correctly and punctually count every vote for every election thus far? Yet the state where a candidate's brother is the Governor, suddenly problems arise. But of course this is just a leftist conspiracy theory. Hail to the thief.
Thats not true, and in fact voting problems were no worse in Florida then any other state.

The only reason it was Florida and not some other state is Florida is the one that mattered vote wise.

What is true is that Gore didn't ask for a state wide recount and tried to get it selectively recounted while bringing the partisan nature of the Florida supreme court to bear. His people tried to avoid election law, both state and federal. They tried also to invalidate as many military ballots as possible due to the fact that most people in the military vote republican.

Had he simpley asked for a state wide recall all would have been fine, instead he tried to weasle his way to victory, and set a new low for presidential elections.
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Old 11-01-2004, 07:00 AM   #32 (permalink)
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Old 11-01-2004, 07:05 AM   #33 (permalink)
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Old 11-01-2004, 08:31 AM   #34 (permalink)
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I can't stand this line of thinking... that of comparing Bush to the average Joe. He's our President, there is a reason the average Joe isn't President. I would not expect the average Joe to react the right way in every tough situation. I wouldn't even expect the President to, though I would expect him to react the right way more often than not. Regardless, he IS the President and he needs to be held accountable for mistakes he has made, its part of the job.

P.s. Nothing personal against you cybersharp

I thought that the system was set up for the average joe to be able to become President.

But with that said, I don't think that Bush is an average joe at all. Anyone with an Ivy leage education is not average, by far. I think that Bush plays the average joe for the average joe, because no one likes to be shown up.

But The president needs to be held accontable for his or her (someday) mistakes. But at his level I think that the public should wait more than a few months to decied if a mistake has been made. Let the decisions run their courses and then we will see the outcome. Then only with the outcome can we see if the actions taken were correct. We need learn to wait.
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I thought that the system was set up for the average joe to be able to become President.

But with that said, I don't think that Bush is an average joe at all. Anyone with an Ivy leage education is not average, by far. I think that Bush plays the average joe for the average joe, because no one likes to be shown up.

But The president needs to be held accontable for his or her (someday) mistakes. But at his level I think that the public should wait more than a few months to decied if a mistake has been made. Let the decisions run their courses and then we will see the outcome. Then only with the outcome can we see if the actions taken were correct. We need learn to wait.
I go to RPI, a school at the level of MIT... The Ivy League level of engineering schools. And believe me, complete MORONS can get a degree in this school by writing in 2 pt font on crib sheets, going to all open lab and TA Office hours, getting by on group work, and studying all night. And then... they know nothing after they're finished the class. It wouldn't take a lot of imaginiation to accept that this can go on in a business-type school as well.
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Old 11-01-2004, 01:04 PM   #37 (permalink)
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Old 11-01-2004, 01:13 PM   #38 (permalink)
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strictly out of curiosity, are you serious? And if so, how will you do it?

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Old 11-01-2004, 01:24 PM   #39 (permalink)
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