Kalibah

Okay- Plenty of threads have been locked, clearly both sides are heating up as we get closer to election day- and prob. beyond that since it doesnt look like we will have a definative answer over WHO will be president on Nov.2nd


That said- in the spirit of remaining open minded- even if you are decided- and in the spirit of not HATING the person you arent voting for- lets say something nice about them


By nice I mean politically- something that resonates with you- that is important to you. And please- don't inject sarcasm into this thread. Im honestly just trying to say great minds can disagree.


I'll go first.

Im for Bush/Cheney ( if you havent figured that out from my previous posts...)

John Kerry would be more respected in the international community.


If your undecided- say something nice about both

Glava

Bush does not forget his friends.

Kalibah

well this ploy to bring both sides closer failed miserably shame on me for trying

cthulu23

Bush is a real snappy dresser.

Kalibah

ohh and its going downhill from there


Mr. Edwards has nice hair.


Hey dont blame me on this one, I tried to be fair, I stated my honest opinion of the good Mr.Kerry could bring - and yet again the partisionship has won out

djtestudo

I was going to make a joke about Kerry's hair, followed by a real comment, but I couldn't think of anyhting about Kerry I liked enough to comment on.

Therefore, I didn't post the dumbass joke. It's really simple to not post, you know, just press the "Back" button.

Sorry to see your effort wasted Kalibah.

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Mojo_PeiPei

All the botox really accentuates Kerry's beautiful bone structure.

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Kerry:

- abortion rights
- gay/civil rights


Bush:

- stance on war on terror
- stance on taxes
- stance on the 2nd ammendment


I'm personally not sure that Kerry would be any better for the economy than Bush and while Kerry might be better for the environment, I fear he would go too far like I think Clinton did.

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Paq

Ok..i've really been wracking my brain for something bush did or will do that i agree with...and
I"VE FOUND IT

the national do not call registry.

The most significant/important thing he has done that I agree with is a freaking do not call registry...I have problems with everything else he has done or has promised....

but...i was able to find one thing in 4 yrs or think of one thing in the speeches, debates, etc, so i'm kinda proud...

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Stompy

Bush -

Saddam is gone, and that is good.

Supports 2nd amendment - I think everyone that qualifies should be allowed to own an Uzi/AK-47/whatever they want. In fact, I've been meaning to go out and buy one... not because I'm a gun collector or because I'd ever need it, but just because I can. So I can say, "Yeah, I've got an Uzi. Right over there. Whatcha gonna do about it?"

I guess the fact that he let certain people have portions of their tax return earlier than scheduled was nice. Money is money. Better to get it now than in April.

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Kalibah

Yes thats the spirit!

Willravel

Who I am against:

Kerry:
-He reminds children of the Ent, Treebeard, from TLOTR: The Two Towers.
-His stance on the Viet Nam war was very progressive and showed he has a lot of courage and character.
-He has an excelent chance of beating Bush.
-I agree his stance on Sexual Preffrence Freedoms (gay/lesbian).
-His wifes katsup blows my mind.

Bush:
-I would go drinking with him any night of the week. He seems like, in person (ouside of his presidential duties), he would be very kick back.
-His views on birth control coincide with my own.
-Saddam is no longer to hurt the innocent Iraqi people, and Bush is responsible for his removal.
-Bush knows that every healthy president in history has been very popular, so he stays in shape and gets plenty of exercise (think JFK, or Clinton). I honestly respect him for that.

Nader:
-he did not cost Al Gore the election in 2000, despite what a lot of people whould have you believe.
-His running has paved the way for other independant runners to slide into the 2 party system we are currently under.
-He has the balls to go on record against things like corporate war profiteering, corporate-managed globalization, and 'the criminal injustice system and the need to open wider the civil courts to defrauded or wrongfully injured people presently denied justice'.

Cobb:
- Coob and LaMarche are calling for an immediate withdrawal of US military from Iraq. Green Party foreign policy is based on non-violence, diplomacy, respect for the democratic process, and the protection of human rights.
-Complete, 100% healthcare for all US citizens.
-I agree in supporting renewable energy sources.
-Education instead of incarceration. Total education in order to lower the crime rate.

Remember, ther are over 70 candidates total.

Ustwo

The Kerry quote in my sig.

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daking

Bush remembered Poland.

seep

Bush seems like a nice guy. I know people that remind me of him and I like them just fine... I just wouldn't want them running the country.

thefictionweliv

Bush - wants to privatize Social Security, believes in what he is doing in Iraq which I think is good for morale.

Kerry-ummmm....he's a better orater than Bush

Cobb- Stands on his beliefs, worked along side other candidates to attempt change the debates.

Paq

I dunno...sorry to go on a tangent, but i really realized i don't think bush is a nice guy and i'd probably want to bitchslap him if we ever went out for a beer.

Seriously, something about his personality reminds me of waayyyy too many people who just stomp my last nerve...I think it's just his seeming enjoyment of just 'not knowing" and of just not elevating the level of discourse...i just don't feel as if i could handle being in the same conversation with him.

Now, i have met kerry and edwards both and their personalities are not compatible with mine either, buuut, they are not as irksome as bush's to me, sooo, i'd rather hang out with either of them before bush.

back to regularly scheduled thread

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Bush: Keeps his word when he says something
Kerry: Wants to provide for the poor, good intentions, etc.
Cobb: Wants people to give a shit about the environment
Nader: Shows that a third party can at least get mentioned in the media

Paxton_Free

Bush seems like a wonderful husband and father.

Kalibah

so your undecided or you dislike all canidates , or you were just trying to be nice ?

Kalibah

nooo it has to be political to be meaningful

what do you like about his political stances?
you disagree with his stance on Iraq?
You disagree with his stance on privitazing sS for the new generation?
you disagree with EVERYTHING?

find something good to say about their policies


my point here - well it isnt a point rather than trying to get rid of people BASHING the other canidate. I disagree with John Kerry on many things, but I dont think he is the devil. What started my thinking was on the phone with a cousin and we got to talking about politics, and she resorted to " Bush lied, people died" and thats fine to say if you believe it, but if we can realize there is good in some policies - we can raise political dicussion to something other than personal attacks

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Sometimes I wish we could discuss political policies and try to keep canidates names out of it- like premetive military action for terrorism, is it possible to have a conversation on the Pros and Cons and peoples stances on this WITHOUT resorting to mentioning how John Kerrys plan would be more inclusive of the world, or Bush rushed to war....


If people are up for it, lets make a new thread on issues like these. With election drawing nearer, Im getting more irked by Canidate threads, and more into policy threads- were we can dicuss politics without infusing the election into it- as hard as that may be, i think we might be able to have a more reasoned and intellegent dicussion on these issues - because This close to nov 2nd people get nasty - on both sides



anyone up for it?

Willravel

Dude, there are over 70 candidates for presidency. Odds are the vote is going Liberatarian, but who knows? The vote could go abolishonist. I am voting for Michael Badnarik. I suggest looking at all of the candidates before voting, and know where you stand, and which candidate fits your stand best should get your vote. Not just Bush and Kerry.

Kalibah

But i said about the canidates opposition

so if hes against kerry, bush, etc
whos he for

i was just asking man

dy156

Kerry and edwards are (secretly) against liability damage caps, or if they reform our tort system, will do it in a way that makes more sense.
Kerry is (secretly) for free trade, I think.
Kerry criticizes Bush's government spending!

jonjon42

I liked the Do not call registry......
and that's about it...

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Bush has done a lot of things I agree with:

- Vastly increasing help to Africa on AIDS (he did it in the wrong way, but the fact that he actualy did something is incredible)

- About 90% of the Patriot Act was good and much needed.

- He fought a great war in Afghanistan

- Health Savings accounts are an interesting alternative to traditional insurance that should be explored

- Despite being publicly in favor of privatizing Social Security, he realizes that its an unworkable idea and hasn't done anything beside ocassionaly mention it

I could probablly think of other things if I tried.

Now I'm a pretty hardcore Kerry supporter, and I could come up with 5 things. In my personal opinion, if you can't come up with at least one thing you're way to wrapped up in the hate.

hannukah harry

this is probalby the only thing i really agree with. while i don't think anyone "needs" guns, and i see no problem with requiring permits and whatnot, i don't see any reason not to allow a law abiding citizen to have them. just make sure they know how to use them and be safe with them. i actually went to a gun range about a year ago and it was surprisingly fun, so i completely understand when people say that their a hobby now.

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Tophat665

George Bush is one hell of a campaigner and really sticks to his guns.

Ralph Nader used to some really good things.

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The Bush twins are pretty cute

guthmund

The war in Afghanistan.

All for it, agree wholeheartedly and gladly support the President in this decision.
That's all I will say.

Oops forgot Nader

I don't know much about the candidate, to tell the truth.
I agree with him that American politics is consistantly being bought and sold by Big Business.

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Two positive comments about Bush:

I lived and worked in Manhattan on 9/11. When I watched the live
TV feed of Bush arriving at ground zero, I was distressed because
his presence at what was still considered a rescue operation, would
interrupt the still frenzied dig and search for trapped victims.

Listening to Bush speak, he transformed my attitude, and I saw him
as our leader, speaking to , and for all of us, simultaneously. He was
briefly interrupting important work, but he was standing in the one place
where he could reassure the country and those who attacked us, that
he was up to the challenge of protecting us from further attacks and
of quickly making those responsible for the attacks answer for their actions.

I think that Bush is working as hard as he possibly can to do his job in
the way that he and his advisors perceive that to be.

Kinda OT....2 months after 9/11, I took an offer to move to an apartment
near ground zero and live there for 3 months. It felt disturbing, fascinating,
horrendous, and historic. <a href=http://me.to/wtc.jpg>The photo at this link</a> will enlarge if you click on
it. The building I lived in is in the top right hand corner next to the green
triangle on the Hudson River. To the right of that, I could watch the debris
from ground zero being towed to Staten Island in barges, 24 hours per day.
I took <a href="http://me.to/wtc">these pictures</a> from the roof of the
apartment building.

ARTelevision

As for the left, idealism is an important component of the political process. The idealism of the left does inform good government and adds some evolutionary direction and impetus to current world views.

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roachboy

the only thing i have read that bush has said that i agree with at all is that he would favor the abolition of preferential admissions to universities for the children of alumni.

i support many things that nader stands for, but in this election i oppose his candidacy because the objective in my view has to be to get rid of george w bush.

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