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pedro padilla · 10-12-2004, 03:58 PM

This sounds credible to me. I´d understand if you feel it should have been posted under paranoia. I hope it is. http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a1130.htm

please post content, not just links. - lebell

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TBR News – October 11, 2004

Voice of the White House

In recent past issues, we have carried comments from a reporter assigned to the White House press corps. Some of these remarks, most especially one about Bush’s physical and mental problems, drew an enormous number of viewers and hundreds of inquiries, most especially from foreign press entities. The reporter advised us by email that there was rampant fury in the White House and security was becoming very tight. As a result of this, he decided to lay low for a few weeks and see how the wind was blowing. Yesterday, he sent us the following material which we are now posting. Some of it is outrageous in the extreme but to date, no one has proven him wrong. Our source was the first to expose and we were the first to make public, the accusations that the President of the United States was a man that suffered from serious psychological problems. Since our initial publication of what we call the Madness of King George, there has been increasing interest in the subject and herewith, we present additional input from inside the White House.

October 10, 2004: “This time, friends, I have some very important news for all of you. Unlike the usual silly gossip that goes on around the White House, intermingled with loud praying, this is really news. We are about to embark on another war! Yes, it has been decided and carefully planned. Who are we going to war with? Iran. Background here: (I am taking this from a paper which I have to return)

Thesis: Iran hates the United States and Israel. Iran has atomic weapons and missiles (the Shahab, courtesy of North Korean/Russian technicians) It can easily reach Tel Aviv. It can also reach US troop concentrations in Iraq. Israel is scared shitless. Their pressure groups have leaned on the White House, with a great deal of assistance from Cheney and the Neocons. The actual plan is this:

The U.S. has no troops available for an Iranian adventure and the Israelis would rather not lose any warm bodies so…it has been firmly decided that both Israel and the U.S. will launch a surprise attack against 1., Iranian missile sites, 2. Iranian nuclear facilities and 3. the leadership of Iran located in and around Tehran. How will this be done? By aircraft attack using U.S. developed “smart bombs” and the so-called “bunker-buster” bombs designed to destroy underground reinforced concrete facilities .We just sent these to Israel. Because of the political ramifications, the Israelis will conduct the main strikes, supported by U.S. aircraft as needed. The aim will be to wipe out any vestige of nuclear weaponry, its delivery system and all the Iranian leaders capable of starting any attacks on Israel (mostly Tel Aviv…too many fellow Muslims in Jerusalem.) Since it would be a problem for Israeli Air Force units to fly round trip from Israel, the solution will be to launch these attacks from U.S. aircraft carriers located in the Persian Gulf area. As I write, the super carrier USS John F. Kennedy (CV 67) is now in the Persian Gulf along with the so-called Essex Expeditionary Strike Group (ESG) [31st Marine Expeditionary Unit (MEU) (SOC)] which consists of:: USS Essex (LHD 2) USS Juneau (LPD 10) USS Harpers Ferry (LSD 49) USS Mobile Bay (CG 53USS Hopper (DDG 70) USS Preble (DDG 88) The initial attacks will be an early-morning surprise attack launched to coincide with religious services in Tehran’s Muslim mosques with the idea of catching not only the leading Mullahs inside but a large number of their congregations as well. One attack will concentrate on these religious centers and the other will hit both the underground nuclear facilities and identified (courtesy of U.S. satellite shots) missile launching sites. The U.S. will supply observation and radio surveillance aircraft with radar-jamming capacities operating out of Turkey and Italy. The entire attack is scheduled to last no more than one hour with at least three waves of Israeli aircraft utilized. No warning will be given to the Iranians and no declaration of war. The possible deaths of foreign diplomats in the attacks has been discussed and accepted as part of the price. This attack has the full support of the President who wants it launched before the elections. He can then make a speech to the American people stating that the evil Iranian nuclear weaponry has been destroyed by the Israelis with the full cooperation of his government as part of his heroic war against terrorists. Believe me, that speech has already been written and I have seen a copy of it. The brass here feels that this will have a tremendous impact on the American people, just before the elections. No U.S. ground troops will be used; Bush will stress that this is a joint U.S.-Israeli anti-terrorist project. Part of the speech deals with ongoing Shiite Iranian physical support of their Shiite brethren in Iraq and that by knocking out the Iranian nuclear weaponry, at the same time, they are protecting GIs from ongoing guerrilla warfare. The brass is literally rubbing it’s hands and drooling over what they see as Bush’s Final Victory. I have seen a negative report copy from someone in the Pentagon [who is not going to get promoted] that says if the Iranians get wind of this little game, they might strike first and they might also realize that large numbers of vulnerable American troops are concentrated inside Iraqi cities, prime targets for a nuclear tactical attack. These people are literally insane and I really hope you don’t delete this. Something really has to be done to stop these maniacs before we all die of radiation sickness!”

Kalibah · 10-12-2004, 04:22 PM

After elections win or lose Iran goes down
Before isnt good poltics

kutulu · 10-12-2004, 04:37 PM

I could possibly see it happening after the elections, win or lose. If Bush lost the elections, it would be his last attempt to implement his brand of national security and at teh same time, give Kerry one hell of a cluster-fuck situation to inherit.

It would make absolutely no sense to do this before the elections. There are enough people frustrated with the Iraq situation as it is. Adding a revamped Iran into the mix would stretch us even thinner. It would ensure his defeat in the election.

Locobot · 10-13-2004, 12:54 AM

complete paranoia from an unnamed source. A war with Iran would make the Iraq war look like a Sunday walk in the park. I think even the neo-con chicken hawks would hesitate to attack Iran, otherwise you can expect a visit from the draft board.

Irishsean · 10-13-2004, 01:13 AM

I agree, this does belong in the paranoia board. C'mon? A unnamed hidden source in the whitehouse reading and transmitting papers he has to return or else? What is this Deep Throat v2.0?

Besides, an attack on Iran just doesn't make sense right now. I don't even think Bush would do it just to mess with Kerry after the elections if he won.

Lebell · 10-13-2004, 03:13 AM

I'll let this stay here for the nonce, but it seems like paranoia to me as well.

Pacifier · 10-13-2004, 04:11 AM

sounds like paranoia, but I think bush could be moronic enough to try such BS

pan6467 · 10-13-2004, 04:40 AM

I think Bush will invade Iran the second he can. He doesn't truly care what happens. He has people telling him what to do and he does it.

But when we invade Iran, they will use a nuke and Bush will be done so fast his head will spin, yet all those he listened to will quietly disappear and say, "we knew nothing, we saw nothing, we say nothing."

dy156 · 10-13-2004, 06:09 AM

Don't forget, Israel had the cojones to make an airstrike against Iraq back in the 80's that was roundly and soundly condemned by everyone else, uncluding us. We should be greatful for their actions in retrospect.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/d...00/3014623.stm

Quote:

1981: Israel bombs Baghdad nuclear reactor
The Israelis have bombed a French-built nuclear plant near Iraq's capital, Baghdad, saying they believed it was designed to make nuclear weapons to destroy Israel.
It is the world's first air strike against a nuclear plant.

With remarkable precision, an undisclosed number of F-15 bombers and F-16 fighters destroyed the Osirak reactor 18 miles south of Baghdad, on the orders of Prime Minister Menachem Begin.

The army command said all the Israeli planes returned safely.

The 70-megawatt uranium-powered reactor was near completion but had not been stocked with nuclear fuel so there was no danger of a leak, according to sources in the French atomic industry.

Mortal danger

The Israeli Government explained its reasons for the attack in a statement saying: "The atomic bombs which that reactor was capable of producing whether from enriched uranium or from plutonium, would be of the Hiroshima size. Thus a mortal danger to the people of Israel progressively arose."

It acted now because it believed the reactor would be completed shortly - either at the beginning of July or the beginning of September 1981.

The Israelis criticised the French and Italians for supplying Iraq with nuclear materials and plegded to defend their territory at all costs.

The statement said. "We again call upon them to desist from this horrifying, inhuman deed. Under no circumstances will we allow an enemy to develop weapons of mass destruction against our people."

The attack took place on a Sunday, they said, to prevent harming the French workers at the site who would have taken the day off. There have been no reported casualties.

The Osirak reactor is part of a complex that includes a second, smaller reactor - also French-built - and a Soviet-made test reactor already in use.

Iraq denies the reactor was destined to produce nuclear weapons.

That's probably the kernal of truth used to come up with this rumor.
Hey, if we knew of an Iranian nuclear facility that needed to be destroyed, I'd be all for it, but I think this story is a bunch of hooey.

hokieian · 10-13-2004, 06:33 AM

Quote:

Some of it is outrageous in the extreme but to date, no one has proven him wrong. Our source was the first to expose and we were the first to make public, the accusations that the President of the United States was a man that suffered from serious psychological problems.

Um, I think the burden of proof should be on the so called White House insider providing these "documents", not on others to prove his conspiracy theories wrong.

Besides, the US government has plans drawn up for an invasion of Canada, so the fact that they have already outlined procedures to take out Iranian nuclear sites is hardly surprising, and doesn't mean that Bush has "severe psychological problems".

Rekna · 10-13-2004, 06:56 AM

shit canada.... damnit now where am I going to go when the draft board calls?

Mojo_PeiPei · 10-13-2004, 07:16 AM

Big difference between what Israel did in Iraq and what this "article" is accusing the Bush admin. of plotting to do. Iran already has nukes, or at the very least the capability to make and deliver them, Iraq didn't. As brash as Israel is, they rushed to blow the Osiriak reactor because it wasn't operational, there is no way in hell they would consider bombing a juiced nuclear facility which is conviently located in a densely populated area.

roachboy · 10-13-2004, 07:35 AM

at one point, during the halcyon days for the project for the new american century crew--while they were still in opposition and the delerium that comprises their view of the world was still harmless--the invasion of iran was on the agenda.

now it would just be lunacy.

kutulu · 10-13-2004, 08:57 AM

This "source" cannot be real. That information would be highly classified and I highly doubt that anyone would risk national security to leak it.

gyroscope · 10-13-2004, 10:00 AM

it sounds credible too me.sooner or later the iran will be attacked,and it is possible that israel will help to attack the iran.it is only a question of time,but sooner or later it will be comming.after the iraaq,the only logical consequence will be the iran.but we will see.
but imusst say that you are right,kutulu,the information catn't be leaked that easy.i think that the next country the us will attack is the iran,but i would have thought that withou this "information".we will see.

ObieX · 10-13-2004, 04:03 PM

The last few operations in Iraq went right to some border towns with syria. I bet they're shittin themselves too. It wont be long until a US boot crosses that border.

Mephisto2 · 10-13-2004, 04:20 PM

Paranoia.

I don't think even the Republicans will get involved in another war in the Middle East, unless attacked first. Just look at the mess in Iraq.

Will an armed conflict arise at some stage? Possibly. But the "leak" mentioned above is just nonesense.

Mr Mephisto

pan6467 · 10-13-2004, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kutulu

This "source" cannot be real. That information would be highly classified and I highly doubt that anyone would risk national security to leak it.

One would think..... but this is George W. "I can brag about anything and say anything and get away with it because I am the greatest president since daddy..... so the voices in my head and Dick Cheney tell me" Bush

10-12-2004, 03:58 PM	#1 (permalink)
pedro padilla Insane	october surprise? This sounds credible to me. I´d understand if you feel it should have been posted under paranoia. I hope it is. http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a1130.htm please post content, not just links. - lebell ------------------------------------------------------ TBR News – October 11, 2004 Voice of the White House In recent past issues, we have carried comments from a reporter assigned to the White House press corps. Some of these remarks, most especially one about Bush’s physical and mental problems, drew an enormous number of viewers and hundreds of inquiries, most especially from foreign press entities. The reporter advised us by email that there was rampant fury in the White House and security was becoming very tight. As a result of this, he decided to lay low for a few weeks and see how the wind was blowing. Yesterday, he sent us the following material which we are now posting. Some of it is outrageous in the extreme but to date, no one has proven him wrong. Our source was the first to expose and we were the first to make public, the accusations that the President of the United States was a man that suffered from serious psychological problems. Since our initial publication of what we call the Madness of King George, there has been increasing interest in the subject and herewith, we present additional input from inside the White House. October 10, 2004: “This time, friends, I have some very important news for all of you. Unlike the usual silly gossip that goes on around the White House, intermingled with loud praying, this is really news. We are about to embark on another war! Yes, it has been decided and carefully planned. Who are we going to war with? Iran. Background here: (I am taking this from a paper which I have to return) Thesis: Iran hates the United States and Israel. Iran has atomic weapons and missiles (the Shahab, courtesy of North Korean/Russian technicians) It can easily reach Tel Aviv. It can also reach US troop concentrations in Iraq. Israel is scared shitless. Their pressure groups have leaned on the White House, with a great deal of assistance from Cheney and the Neocons. The actual plan is this: The U.S. has no troops available for an Iranian adventure and the Israelis would rather not lose any warm bodies so…it has been firmly decided that both Israel and the U.S. will launch a surprise attack against 1., Iranian missile sites, 2. Iranian nuclear facilities and 3. the leadership of Iran located in and around Tehran. How will this be done? By aircraft attack using U.S. developed “smart bombs” and the so-called “bunker-buster” bombs designed to destroy underground reinforced concrete facilities .We just sent these to Israel. Because of the political ramifications, the Israelis will conduct the main strikes, supported by U.S. aircraft as needed. The aim will be to wipe out any vestige of nuclear weaponry, its delivery system and all the Iranian leaders capable of starting any attacks on Israel (mostly Tel Aviv…too many fellow Muslims in Jerusalem.) Since it would be a problem for Israeli Air Force units to fly round trip from Israel, the solution will be to launch these attacks from U.S. aircraft carriers located in the Persian Gulf area. As I write, the super carrier USS John F. Kennedy (CV 67) is now in the Persian Gulf along with the so-called Essex Expeditionary Strike Group (ESG) [31st Marine Expeditionary Unit (MEU) (SOC)] which consists of:: USS Essex (LHD 2) USS Juneau (LPD 10) USS Harpers Ferry (LSD 49) USS Mobile Bay (CG 53USS Hopper (DDG 70) USS Preble (DDG 88) The initial attacks will be an early-morning surprise attack launched to coincide with religious services in Tehran’s Muslim mosques with the idea of catching not only the leading Mullahs inside but a large number of their congregations as well. One attack will concentrate on these religious centers and the other will hit both the underground nuclear facilities and identified (courtesy of U.S. satellite shots) missile launching sites. The U.S. will supply observation and radio surveillance aircraft with radar-jamming capacities operating out of Turkey and Italy. The entire attack is scheduled to last no more than one hour with at least three waves of Israeli aircraft utilized. No warning will be given to the Iranians and no declaration of war. The possible deaths of foreign diplomats in the attacks has been discussed and accepted as part of the price. This attack has the full support of the President who wants it launched before the elections. He can then make a speech to the American people stating that the evil Iranian nuclear weaponry has been destroyed by the Israelis with the full cooperation of his government as part of his heroic war against terrorists. Believe me, that speech has already been written and I have seen a copy of it. The brass here feels that this will have a tremendous impact on the American people, just before the elections. No U.S. ground troops will be used; Bush will stress that this is a joint U.S.-Israeli anti-terrorist project. Part of the speech deals with ongoing Shiite Iranian physical support of their Shiite brethren in Iraq and that by knocking out the Iranian nuclear weaponry, at the same time, they are protecting GIs from ongoing guerrilla warfare. The brass is literally rubbing it’s hands and drooling over what they see as Bush’s Final Victory. I have seen a negative report copy from someone in the Pentagon [who is not going to get promoted] that says if the Iranians get wind of this little game, they might strike first and they might also realize that large numbers of vulnerable American troops are concentrated inside Iraqi cities, prime targets for a nuclear tactical attack. These people are literally insane and I really hope you don’t delete this. Something really has to be done to stop these maniacs before we all die of radiation sickness!” Last edited by Lebell; 10-13-2004 at 03:12 AM..

10-13-2004, 01:13 AM	#5 (permalink)
Irishsean edited for content Location: Austin, TX	I agree, this does belong in the paranoia board. C'mon? A unnamed hidden source in the whitehouse reading and transmitting papers he has to return or else? What is this Deep Throat v2.0? Besides, an attack on Iran just doesn't make sense right now. I don't even think Bush would do it just to mess with Kerry after the elections if he won. __________________ There are no absolute rules of conduct, either in peace or war. Everything depends on circumstances. Leon Trotsky

10-13-2004, 03:13 AM	#6 (permalink)
Lebell Cracking the Whip Location: Sexymama's arms...	I'll let this stay here for the nonce, but it seems like paranoia to me as well. __________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." – C. S. Lewis The ONLY sponsors we have are YOU! Please Donate!

10-13-2004, 04:11 AM	#7 (permalink)
Pacifier undead Location: Duisburg, Germany	sounds like paranoia, but I think bush could be moronic enough to try such BS __________________ "It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously. I also cannot imagine some will or goal outside the human sphere. Science has been charged with undermining morality, but the charge is unjust. A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death — Albert Einstein

10-13-2004, 04:40 AM	#8 (permalink)
pan6467 Lennonite Priest Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA	I think Bush will invade Iran the second he can. He doesn't truly care what happens. He has people telling him what to do and he does it. But when we invade Iran, they will use a nuke and Bush will be done so fast his head will spin, yet all those he listened to will quietly disappear and say, "we knew nothing, we saw nothing, we say nothing." __________________ I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"

10-12-2004, 04:22 PM	#2 (permalink)
Kalibah Insane Location: Padded Playhouse	After elections win or lose Iran goes down Before isnt good poltics

10-12-2004, 04:37 PM	#3 (permalink)
kutulu Junkie	I could possibly see it happening after the elections, win or lose. If Bush lost the elections, it would be his last attempt to implement his brand of national security and at teh same time, give Kerry one hell of a cluster-fuck situation to inherit. It would make absolutely no sense to do this before the elections. There are enough people frustrated with the Iraq situation as it is. Adding a revamped Iran into the mix would stretch us even thinner. It would ensure his defeat in the election.

10-13-2004, 12:54 AM	#4 (permalink)
Locobot is awesome!	complete paranoia from an unnamed source. A war with Iran would make the Iraq war look like a Sunday walk in the park. I think even the neo-con chicken hawks would hesitate to attack Iran, otherwise you can expect a visit from the draft board.

10-13-2004, 06:56 AM	#11 (permalink)
Rekna Junkie	shit canada.... damnit now where am I going to go when the draft board calls?

10-13-2004, 07:16 AM	#12 (permalink)
Mojo_PeiPei Kiss of Death Location: Perpetual wind and sorrow	Big difference between what Israel did in Iraq and what this "article" is accusing the Bush admin. of plotting to do. Iran already has nukes, or at the very least the capability to make and deliver them, Iraq didn't. As brash as Israel is, they rushed to blow the Osiriak reactor because it wasn't operational, there is no way in hell they would consider bombing a juiced nuclear facility which is conviently located in a densely populated area. __________________ To win a war you must serve no master but your ambition.

10-13-2004, 07:35 AM	#13 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	at one point, during the halcyon days for the project for the new american century crew--while they were still in opposition and the delerium that comprises their view of the world was still harmless--the invasion of iran was on the agenda. now it would just be lunacy. __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite

10-13-2004, 08:57 AM	#14 (permalink)
kutulu Junkie	This "source" cannot be real. That information would be highly classified and I highly doubt that anyone would risk national security to leak it.

10-13-2004, 10:00 AM	#15 (permalink)
gyroscope Tilted	it sounds credible too me.sooner or later the iran will be attacked,and it is possible that israel will help to attack the iran.it is only a question of time,but sooner or later it will be comming.after the iraaq,the only logical consequence will be the iran.but we will see. but imusst say that you are right,kutulu,the information catn't be leaked that easy.i think that the next country the us will attack is the iran,but i would have thought that withou this "information".we will see.

10-13-2004, 04:03 PM	#16 (permalink)
ObieX Pickles Location: Shirt and Pants (NJ)	The last few operations in Iraq went right to some border towns with syria. I bet they're shittin themselves too. It wont be long until a US boot crosses that border. __________________ We Must Dissent.

10-13-2004, 04:20 PM	#17 (permalink)
Mephisto2 Junkie	Paranoia. I don't think even the Republicans will get involved in another war in the Middle East, unless attacked first. Just look at the mess in Iraq. Will an armed conflict arise at some stage? Possibly. But the "leak" mentioned above is just nonesense. Mr Mephisto