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pan6467 · 09-18-2004, 06:33 AM

After reading this and knowing Kerry's gone pretty much a week focusing on issues and keeping quiet and his poll #'s are increasing, I had to shake my head.

I have now come to the conclusion that some higher up Dems in the DNC want Kerry to lose or the RNC is playing Mcauliffe and some others like a violin.. They want to keep the focus where it doesn't hurt Bush it hurts Kerry. Kerry's gaining soooo guess what throw cheap scandal at Bush and Kerry's numbers will drop again.

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Records Show Commander Wrote to Bush Sr.

By MATT KELLEY, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - The latest records to surface from President Bush (news - web sites)'s service in the Texas Air National Guard show that one commander took an unusual interest in the congressman's son during his basic training.

The officer in charge of the unit where Bush took his basic training wrote to then-Rep. George H.W. Bush in 1968. The officer's letter was not released Friday, but the elder Bush's reply was: "That a major general in the Air Force would take interest in a brand new Air Force trainee made a big impression on me."

Bush, who was elected president 20 years later, wrote that his son "will be a gung-ho member" of the Air Force, and its instructors had "helped awaken the very best instincts in my son."

Democrats called the exchange proof of preferential treatment.

The letter and other material were the latest in a stream of documents released about President Bush's service three decades ago during the Vietnam War. His critics say Bush received preferential treatment as the son of a congressman and U.N. ambassador. Critics have also questioned why Bush skipped a required medical examination in 1972 and failed to show up for drills during a six-month period that year.

The Pentagon uncovered the documents during a search in response to a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit by The Associated Press seeking all Bush's records from the Texas Air National Guard. A federal judge ordered the Defense Department on Wednesday to hand over to the AP all newly discovered Bush records by next Friday.

The AP lawsuit also led to the release this month of previously undisclosed flight logs for the years Bush spent as a trainee and pilot, mostly on the F-102A fighter.

The White House has said repeatedly that all Bush's Guard records have been disclosed, only to be embarrassed when new documents have turned up. The long-running story took an unusual turn when CBS broadcast documents purportedly showing that Bush refused orders to take a physical examination in 1972, but the documents' authenticity came under doubt.

In his first public comment on the CBS documents controversy, the president told The Union Leader of Manchester, N.H., "There are a lot of questions about the documents, and they need to be answered."

In the telephone interview published Saturday, Bush said "I don't know" when asked whether the White House had evidence the campaign of Democratic rival John Kerry or the Democratic Party were involved in releasing the disputed papers.

White House communications director Dan Bartlett said the newly released documents provided additional proof that Bush fulfilled his military obligations. "It also demonstrates we are fulfilling the president's request to release all the documents regarding his military service," he said.

The Democratic National Committee said that releasing the documents at the end of the work week showed Bush had something to hide.

"If the president was truly proud of his service he wouldn't be releasing these documents on a Friday night," DNC chairman Terry McAuliffe said in a statement. "These documents demonstrate yet again that George Bush was a fortunate son who received special consideration unavailable to the average American."

Besides the letter from Bush's father, the latest documents contain news releases that the Texas Air National Guard sent to Houston newspapers in 1970 about young Bush, then a second lieutenant and new pilot. "George Bush is one member of the younger generation who doesn't get his kicks from pot or hashish or speed," the news release said. "Oh, he gets high, all right, but not from narcotics."

Three decades later, a new book by Kitty Kelley alleges that Bush used cocaine while he was a student at Yale University and later at Camp David, Md., while his father was president. Bush spokesmen have denied the charges.

The letter written by Bush's father, former President Bush, was addressed to Maj. Gen. G.B. Greene Jr., commander of the training center at Lackland Air Force Base, Texas, where Bush took his basic training.

The new packet of documents also contained two single-page orders documenting Bush's Guard training in May and June 1973 after he returned from Alabama. Those documents note that Bush was not allowed to fly. He lost his flying status in August 1972 because of his failure to take the medical exam.

"I was surprised and very, very pleased to receive your letter of Aug. 27th," Bush wrote.

"Naturally, as a father I was pleased to read your comments about George," Bush wrote. "He is anxiously looking forward to going to flight school and with parental pride, I do have the feeling that he will be a gung-ho member of the U.S. Air Force. I think that he will make a good pilot as well."

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LINK http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...d=694&ncid=716

rukkyg · 09-18-2004, 07:20 AM

Disclaimer: I hate Bush.

This is just W's CO trying to get an "in" with a prominent politcian. When I read the story on CNN, I got no inkling that it was a sign of preferential treatment.

Ustwo · 09-18-2004, 09:25 AM

Things that make you go *yawn*.

OpieCunningham · 09-18-2004, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pan6467

After reading this and knowing Kerry's gone pretty much a week focusing on issues and keeping quiet and his poll #'s are increasing, I had to shake my head.

I have now come to the conclusion that some higher up Dems in the DNC want Kerry to lose or the RNC is playing Mcauliffe and some others like a violin.. They want to keep the focus where it doesn't hurt Bush it hurts Kerry. Kerry's gaining soooo guess what throw cheap scandal at Bush and Kerry's numbers will drop again.

Did you zone out that whole 60 Minutes/National Guard/Fake Memos thing? That has clearly been the focus of the past week - to his credit, Kerry didn't go there - so if his numbers are "increasing" (but really, it was just Bush's bounce evaporating), they did so while the attention was being placed on an issue that, according to you, "hurts Kerry".

pan6467 · 09-18-2004, 02:02 PM

The WHOLE reason Kerry's numbers went up was because he didn't focus on the papers, he focussed on issues.

My point is that the DNC isn't letting up and IMO it will come back and bite Kerry again.

The DNC just needs to let it go. The papers that came out should not and did not need to be commented on by the DNC or Mcauliffe. They just add more fuel to the fire by bringing them up.

The papers didn't really show me anything negative about Bush. However the DNC comments made me wonder why they would bring attention to them. To me it looks like sabotage because Kerry was building up steam and Mcauliffe wasn't being quoted enough anymore.

Hopefully he doesn't do anything about them and keeps pounding the issues.

Ustwo · 09-18-2004, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OpieCunningham

Did you zone out that whole 60 Minutes/National Guard/Fake Memos thing? That has clearly been the focus of the past week - to his credit, Kerry didn't go there - so if his numbers are "increasing" (but really, it was just Bush's bounce evaporating), they did so while the attention was being placed on an issue that, according to you, "hurts Kerry".

The DNC ran adds showing exerpts from the CBS show, including the memos.

Saying its to his credit, is rather laughable

Edit: Who wants to bet those adds were made BEFORE CBS ran their show.

seretogis · 09-18-2004, 09:08 PM

Well, Kerry has several Clintonistas (thanks Rush) on his staff making decisions for him, so I wouldn't be at all surprised if they were planning to torpedo Kerry's campaign in order to make a run for Hillary in 2008 possible.

09-18-2004, 06:33 AM	#1 (permalink)
pan6467 Lennonite Priest Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA	Things like this make me go hmmmm After reading this and knowing Kerry's gone pretty much a week focusing on issues and keeping quiet and his poll #'s are increasing, I had to shake my head. I have now come to the conclusion that some higher up Dems in the DNC want Kerry to lose or the RNC is playing Mcauliffe and some others like a violin.. They want to keep the focus where it doesn't hurt Bush it hurts Kerry. Kerry's gaining soooo guess what throw cheap scandal at Bush and Kerry's numbers will drop again. ========= Records Show Commander Wrote to Bush Sr. By MATT KELLEY, Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON - The latest records to surface from President Bush (news - web sites)'s service in the Texas Air National Guard show that one commander took an unusual interest in the congressman's son during his basic training. The officer in charge of the unit where Bush took his basic training wrote to then-Rep. George H.W. Bush in 1968. The officer's letter was not released Friday, but the elder Bush's reply was: "That a major general in the Air Force would take interest in a brand new Air Force trainee made a big impression on me." Bush, who was elected president 20 years later, wrote that his son "will be a gung-ho member" of the Air Force, and its instructors had "helped awaken the very best instincts in my son." Democrats called the exchange proof of preferential treatment. The letter and other material were the latest in a stream of documents released about President Bush's service three decades ago during the Vietnam War. His critics say Bush received preferential treatment as the son of a congressman and U.N. ambassador. Critics have also questioned why Bush skipped a required medical examination in 1972 and failed to show up for drills during a six-month period that year. The Pentagon uncovered the documents during a search in response to a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit by The Associated Press seeking all Bush's records from the Texas Air National Guard. A federal judge ordered the Defense Department on Wednesday to hand over to the AP all newly discovered Bush records by next Friday. The AP lawsuit also led to the release this month of previously undisclosed flight logs for the years Bush spent as a trainee and pilot, mostly on the F-102A fighter. The White House has said repeatedly that all Bush's Guard records have been disclosed, only to be embarrassed when new documents have turned up. The long-running story took an unusual turn when CBS broadcast documents purportedly showing that Bush refused orders to take a physical examination in 1972, but the documents' authenticity came under doubt. In his first public comment on the CBS documents controversy, the president told The Union Leader of Manchester, N.H., "There are a lot of questions about the documents, and they need to be answered." In the telephone interview published Saturday, Bush said "I don't know" when asked whether the White House had evidence the campaign of Democratic rival John Kerry or the Democratic Party were involved in releasing the disputed papers. White House communications director Dan Bartlett said the newly released documents provided additional proof that Bush fulfilled his military obligations. "It also demonstrates we are fulfilling the president's request to release all the documents regarding his military service," he said. The Democratic National Committee said that releasing the documents at the end of the work week showed Bush had something to hide. "If the president was truly proud of his service he wouldn't be releasing these documents on a Friday night," DNC chairman Terry McAuliffe said in a statement. "These documents demonstrate yet again that George Bush was a fortunate son who received special consideration unavailable to the average American." Besides the letter from Bush's father, the latest documents contain news releases that the Texas Air National Guard sent to Houston newspapers in 1970 about young Bush, then a second lieutenant and new pilot. "George Bush is one member of the younger generation who doesn't get his kicks from pot or hashish or speed," the news release said. "Oh, he gets high, all right, but not from narcotics." Three decades later, a new book by Kitty Kelley alleges that Bush used cocaine while he was a student at Yale University and later at Camp David, Md., while his father was president. Bush spokesmen have denied the charges. The letter written by Bush's father, former President Bush, was addressed to Maj. Gen. G.B. Greene Jr., commander of the training center at Lackland Air Force Base, Texas, where Bush took his basic training. The new packet of documents also contained two single-page orders documenting Bush's Guard training in May and June 1973 after he returned from Alabama. Those documents note that Bush was not allowed to fly. He lost his flying status in August 1972 because of his failure to take the medical exam. "I was surprised and very, very pleased to receive your letter of Aug. 27th," Bush wrote. "Naturally, as a father I was pleased to read your comments about George," Bush wrote. "He is anxiously looking forward to going to flight school and with parental pride, I do have the feeling that he will be a gung-ho member of the U.S. Air Force. I think that he will make a good pilot as well." ======= LINK http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...d=694&ncid=716 __________________ I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"

09-18-2004, 09:25 AM	#3 (permalink)
Ustwo Pissing in the cornflakes	Things that make you go yawn. __________________ Agents of the enemies who hold office in our own government, who attempt to eliminate our "freedoms" and our "right to know" are posting among us, I fear.....on this very forum. - host Obama - Know a Man by the friends he keeps.

09-18-2004, 02:02 PM	#5 (permalink)
pan6467 Lennonite Priest Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA	The WHOLE reason Kerry's numbers went up was because he didn't focus on the papers, he focussed on issues. My point is that the DNC isn't letting up and IMO it will come back and bite Kerry again. The DNC just needs to let it go. The papers that came out should not and did not need to be commented on by the DNC or Mcauliffe. They just add more fuel to the fire by bringing them up. The papers didn't really show me anything negative about Bush. However the DNC comments made me wonder why they would bring attention to them. To me it looks like sabotage because Kerry was building up steam and Mcauliffe wasn't being quoted enough anymore. Hopefully he doesn't do anything about them and keeps pounding the issues. __________________ I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"

09-18-2004, 09:08 PM	#7 (permalink)
seretogis Huggles, sir? Location: Seattle	Well, Kerry has several Clintonistas (thanks Rush) on his staff making decisions for him, so I wouldn't be at all surprised if they were planning to torpedo Kerry's campaign in order to make a run for Hillary in 2008 possible. __________________ seretogis - sieg heil perfect little dream the kind that hurts the most, forgot how it feels well almost no one to blame always the same, open my eyes wake up in flames

09-18-2004, 07:20 AM	#2 (permalink)
rukkyg Loser Location: RPI, Troy, NY	Disclaimer: I hate Bush. This is just W's CO trying to get an "in" with a prominent politcian. When I read the story on CNN, I got no inkling that it was a sign of preferential treatment.