seretogis

Well, as illustrated in the all-caps two-page thread below, Bush has been attacked by CBS (allegedly with a "document" provided by the Kerry campaign), and now Dems are going after Bush, claiming that he never served in the Air Force and calling him a liar. Lo and behold, Drudge obstains evidence that he did serve in the Air Force for 120 days -- the same time period that Kerry was a "hero" in Vietnam.

What happened to being above it all and sticking to the issues? Didn't Kerry, and Dems by association, call on Bush to stop the negative campaigning? I'm sorry but with Kerry already down in the polls by double-digits, I don't see how their mud-slinging is going to do much damage when it is proven inaccurate and outright fraud within 24 hours.

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Lebell

That sounds like desperation to me.

It also sounds like they are trying to take away attention from Kerry's Vietnam service questions.

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Ustwo

Muddy the waters, confuse the vote, 'Sure Kerry was a schumck, but so was George!'

Pathetic, really really pathetic.

But remember HOPE IS ON THE WAY

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Journeyman

Did Bush do that? As a general rule, turnabout is fairplay.

Ustwo: Kerry was not a schmuck.

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Journeyman: 'WINTER SOLDIER', nuff said.

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OpieCunningham

That's Courier, a monospace font.

I could easily create that on my computer. Total forgery.

This whole thing smacks of depseration from the GOP due to their fear of their complete failure of a record for the past 4 years and the fact that Bush's poll bounce has already disappeared.

What a bunch of schmucks!

filtherton

OMGOMGOMG I CAN"T BELIEVE WHAT TEH KERRY HAS DONE NOW??!?!??!
You're a fool if you can't acknowledge your side's foibles. This is really some quality political discussion. Let's have another go at the whole, "My candidate is less of a jackass than your candidate" thread. It has always been so productive in the past.

Fred181

That is a from that all (Air) Guardsmen sign when they enlist in the Guard. It simply says that as a requisite of joining the Natl. Guard you most be put on "active duty orders" It is essentially a paperwork matter that means nothing in regard to the branch of service you are serving in. George W Bush was never in the US Air Force.

Having said that I agree that bringing up a claim that he made in a campaign decades ago is pretty week.

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seretogis

Bush isn't my candidate, but thanks for contributing nothing to the thread.

Why does Bush have to take responsibility for or denounce any third-party group's advertisement and yet the Kerry campaign can (allegedly) pass along forged documents to CBS and have them build a story around it? Why isn't Kerry denouncing CBS and the DNC's attack on decades-old campaign literature? Is there some sort of justification for this double-standard?

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filtherton

So you're not pro-bush, just anti kerry? In some ways those are the same things. I think they're both tools, but it has been a long time since i went out of my way to attack one for doing something that the other is also guilty of, namely lacking integrity.

What double standard? Are you honestly asking where the integrity is in a presidential race? You know that the easter bunny doesn't exist, right. Not trying to insult you. It's just that you often seem cynical enough so that i find it hard to believe that you don't understand that politics have little to do with integrity and honesty. Especially presidential politics. In short, why ask a question when you already know the answer? As for thread contribution, i'm still trying to figure out if it is possible to contribute to a thread whose sole purpose is to partisanly point out one guy's inconsistencies while seemingly ignoring the other guy's.

Here goes anyway: Why isn't kerry denouncing this? Well, i guess he's probably getting to the point where gaining political capital is more important than clinging to integrity in a race where integrity is a liability. Since the american people understand talking points far more easily than they understand the complexity of any political issue that's probably a worthwhile way to go. In short, he probably thinks he has something to gain by doing what he is doing. Bush has been doing it for a while now with little complaint from many of the antikerry folks who posted above me.

roachboy

i oppose bush because i oppose everything--and i mean everything--he stands for.
i dislike kerry, but much less so than i do bush.
this is not the best place to be in, in many ways.
i say this to note up front that i am not among those whose votes are going to be swayed by the campaigning at this point, so i look at it as if from a distance.

i do not understand why rove et al chose the tack of introducing the relation or non relation to vietnam into the election--well, maybe i do---obviously the bushites felt threatened by the chickenhawk accusation as a potential political liability, but frankly i do not understand why the questions at stake in this election have come to condense around this.

the sad thing is that it has forced both candidates into a quibble about tactics (when and how to withdraw, mostly) on the question of iraq, when the problems that surround this foul little colonial adventure are far more fundamental and should be extremely damaging to the administration. so maybe this is why the distraction of personal involvement with vietnam got thrown into the mix. it also serves the general cause of right revisionist "history" of the war in vietnam in that it makes the war itself neutral at best--actually, it legitimates the war--and forces positioning to occur against that set of assumptions.

there were many many legitimate, powerful reasons to have opposed vietnam outright--it means nothing to me that this kind of dissent horrifies the right--but their horror at dissent does make me wonder what exactly they want of america, what kind of place they want--whether they would be happy at some level if the occaision arose and bush followed the path putin is presently charting in russia using the same set of excuses to do it.

i also imagine--but would be pleased to see this falsified in practice, maybe even here, that the right has nothing to say about this matter, given that the idea that vietnam was legitimate because it occurred and that unthinking support of all state actions when it involves the military (but not when it comes to making the states a coherent capitalist social system) is a matter decided in advance for them.

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powerclown

lol!

Unbelievably strange tack for Kerry to take. He still has a chance to attack Bush where it matters most to Dems: Iraq/911/Terrorism. Why isn't he dredging up all matter of inconsisteny/controversy/conspiracy for the swing voters regarding Bush's strongest quality - his hawkish stand on terrorism??
Another tactical error on Kerry's part.

Because its a sound, proven political tactic in winning an election.

joellp

Am I the only voter on the planet that could give two shits about what Kerry and Bush did 30 years ago? The amount of time spent on this issue absolutely floors me. Both sides need to spend more time convincing people that their candidate's life experiences have shaped them into men that are capable of making logical decisions in an often upside-down world and leading the country with passion and integrity.

roachboy

powerclown: well if that was true in any rational sense, bush would be in deep trouble, dont you think?

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