OpieCunningham

Where did you come up with this information?

The majority of people in the U.S. are pro-choice for non-late term abortions. The majority of people in the U.S. are not anti-abortion for late term abortions which are deemed necessary for the safety of the mother.

The majority of the people in the U.S. do not even know what "partial birth abortion" is - do you know what it is? It's so vague as to be essentially undefinable or omni-definable. The only thing that is certain is that it has nothing to do with BIRTH - it has to do with the location of the fetus at the stage of abortion. I imagine that the majority of the people in this country do not believe Congressmen and Clergy should define what is and what is not a medical necessity.

The majority of people in the U.S. are opposed to any type of Constitutional amendment to define marriage. The majority of people in the U.S. believe that the legalities of marriage should be left up to the States.

The VAST majority (over 70% according to polls in the weeks running up to the war) of people in the U.S. did NOT support the war on Iraq WITHOUT U.N. authorization.

I think this is the majority that smooth is referring to.

Mojo_PeiPei

http://www.pollingreport.com/civil.htm

Gay Marriage:Just about every poll people vote they are opposed to gay marriage. Weak pluralites favor some legal recognition, goes back and fourth on that note in just about all of the polls taken.

Abortion: Early term seems to go back and fourth with weak pluralities. Every major party opposes late term abortion (6 months +).

Iraq: I'll concede that support has significantly decreased so that it is about even. But you are wrong about the pre-war UN support thing. Way I remember it, and too lazy to check right now, but 60% still favored without UN support.

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pedro padilla

it sucks to be voting against someone rather than for someone but it´s basically anyone but bush.

smooth

I'll need you to correct if I'm wrong, because Kerry isn't my candidate, but did he grow up monied or did he marry into it? I thought he was one of the candidates that grew up middle class. I agree with your reluctance to believe that a billionaire can champion the middle class. But why does that translate into support for Bush? He has done everything you listed as negatives and reasons for your not voting for kerry. I don't understand why you support him over one of the other 3d parties?

Please explain that to me, because it has me very confused why you would castigate one candidate for being a billionaire, yet support the other billionaire, one for not possibly understanding the average joe, yet support an equally unlikely person, and claim that he doesn't stand firm on anything, but Bush has waffled on some things he spoke about during his first campaign.

Most important, you claim that you aren't satisfied with Bush. But your vote ratifies his presidency. How is he supposed to know that you aren't satisfied with him. Your vote is the same anonymous vote as the person who is totally thrilled by his actions. Even if he wanted to change his position if he felt that the US public didn't want it, he wouldn't know to change it because people claiming to not agree with him are still voting for him. There isn't any support more clear cut than a vote.

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smooth

I told you that I wasn't going to get into this discussion with you because the issues are too complex to be shouting out figures to one another.

I will remind you, however, that I was setting up a syllogism for you. If you have concluded adequately in your mind that the polls represent your position, and that kerry does not represent your position, then you must conclude that kerry does not sail with the polls. That's a republican talking point that your own decisions cast doubt upon. I don't mind that you have determined that the polls represent your position, because that proves my point:

(for the sake of example I stipulate the following; I'm open to discussing the full implication of those polls in another thread)

Polls show, to your mind, that the public and you overwhelmingly share viewpoints.

Kerry does not share your viewpoints.

Therefore, kerry does not base his convictions on the polls.

If he did base his beliefs on the polls, he would share your positions because you think the majority of the people share your beliefs.

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OpieCunningham

I see a rather consistent MOE that eliminates anything approaching a majority on this issue, when viewed personally. When viewed as a Constitutional amendment vs. State laws, I see a relative split in polls with majorities favoring one over the other. So we're both wrong.
http://www.pollingreport.com/abortion.htm
By far, the number of polls that show a majority support pro-choice outweighs the number of polls that show a majority support pro-life.
You remember incorrectly. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America...of_war_on_Iraq

Cynthetiq

I don't like professional politicians, and since there is no write in section for this poll i will just abstain.

I have voted as a write in for presidents since 1988.

as far as I'm concerned those "voting for the lesser of two evils" still voted for the person that they didn't want to be in the white house.

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