State Avg. IQ and who they voted for in 2000 - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

Publius · 05-27-2004, 12:38 PM

Don't know if anyone else has seen this yet but I thought it would be an interesting subject for discussion. First of all, what does everyone make of these "average state IQ" scores, and secondly what if anything do they have to do with the way in which people vote?

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This list was created by combining Ravens Advanced Progressive Matrices of Average IQ with each state's election results from the 2000 presidential election.
1 Connecticut 113 Gore
2 Massachusetts 111 Gore
3 New Jersey 111 Gore
4 New York 109 Gore
5 Rhode Island 107 Gore
6 Hawaii 106 Gore
7 Maryland 105 Gore
8 New Hampshire 105 Bush
9 Illinois 104 Gore
10 Delaware 103 Gore
11 Minnesota 102 Gore
12 Vermont 102 Gore
13 Washington 102 Gore
14 California 101 Gore
15 Pennsylvania 101 Gore
16 Maine 100 Gore
17 Virginia 100 Bush
18 Wisconsin 100 Gore
19 Colorado 99 Bush
20 Iowa 99 Gore
21 Michigan 99 Gore
22 Nevada 99 Bush
23 Ohio 99 Bush
24 Oregon 99 Gore
25 Alaska 98 Bush
26 Florida 98 Bush
27 Missouri 98 Bush
28 Kansas 96 Bush
29 Nebraska 95 Bush
30 Arizona 94 Bush
31 Indiana 94 Bush
32 Tennessee 94 Bush
33 North Carolina 93 Bush
34 West Virginia 93 Bush
35 Arkansas 92 Bush
36 Georgia 92 Bush
37 Kentucky 92 Bush
38 New Mexico 92 Gore
39 North Dakota 92 Bush
40 Texas 92 Bush
41 Alabama 90 Bush
42 Louisiana 90 Bush
43 Montana 90 Bush
44 Oklahoma 90 Bush
45 South Dakota 90 Bush
46 South Carolina 89 Bush
47 Wyoming 89 Bush
48 Idaho 87 Bush
49 Utah 87 Bush
50 Mississippi 85 Bush

noahfor · 05-27-2004, 12:41 PM

I thought forest gump was like an 85?

^Ice_Bat^ · 05-27-2004, 12:45 PM

This info is bogus. Where did you get this from? Theonion.com?

fernweh · 05-27-2004, 12:57 PM

I'm left-wing and all, but if I may play devil's advocate, this whole thing seems pretty specious to me.
First of all, the idea behind an IQ test is finding a way to measure an individual's reasoning ability against the population average. If you use it to compare different populations, the most you'd be doing is showing the societal bias behind the particular IQ test you were using. The states that scored higher, on average, seem to be more urban states with more college towns; in other words, the people who designed this quasi-experimental study in the first place.
And anyway, whatever your IQ is, you're equally entitled to vote for whomever you think represents you the best. Even if this test were really some way of showing one state as being "smarter" than another, so what?

assilem · 05-27-2004, 01:18 PM

Publius, are you trying to piss off all of the republicans and conservatives here? You’re doing a great job. Do you really believe that we are all just a bunch of dumb fuck hicks? Can you please post the link that these "numbers" came from?

reconmike · 05-27-2004, 01:25 PM

You have to be kidding with this right?

Let's go to the map.

Seems to me that the areas that voted for Gore have the highest HOOD (edited due to the liberal spelling police) population. Did your little site take into account their IQ's?
Unless Crack dealing is on the test I think its alittle wacked out.

rsl12 · 05-27-2004, 01:26 PM

as much as I'd like to believe that your average Bush supporter is not as intelligent as your average Gore supporter, I have a hard time believing that the average IQ of Mississippi is 85!! That is an extraordinarily low number. I've never been to Mississippi for any extended period of time, but to think that, over such a large area that the average could be that low is hard to believe. I would love to see the source of this list. Sample IQ questions would also be nice to see--I don't really buy into this 'urban-white' bias business, but seeing the questions would definitely help prove your point, at least in my eyes.

rsl12 · 05-27-2004, 01:28 PM

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Originally posted by reconmike
Seems to me that the areas that voted for Gore have the highest GETTO population.

While we're talking in stereotypes, the red areas on that map have the highest trailer trash/redneck population.

And you spelled Ghetto wrong. Not that that means anything.

nanofever · 05-27-2004, 01:30 PM

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Originally posted by fernweh
I'm left-wing and all, but if I may play devil's advocate, this whole thing seems pretty specious to me.
First of all, the idea behind an IQ test is finding a way to measure an individual's reasoning ability against the population average. If you use it to compare different populations, the most you'd be doing is showing the societal bias behind the particular IQ test you were using. The states that scored higher, on average, seem to be more urban states with more college towns; in other words, the people who designed this quasi-experimental study in the first place.
And anyway, whatever your IQ is, you're equally entitled to vote for whomever you think represents you the best. Even if this test were really some way of showing one state as being "smarter" than another, so what?

My thoughts exactly.

reconmike · 05-27-2004, 01:36 PM

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Originally posted by rsl12
While we're talking in stereotypes, the red areas on that map have the highest trailer trash/redneck population.

And you spelled Ghetto wrong. Not that that means anything.

No stereotyping at all, the largest gHetto population is in these areas.

Why would democrats have to bus people to the polls?

rsl12 · 05-27-2004, 01:39 PM

reconmike--your implication is that people who live in ghettos are less intelligent than average. Tell me if this isn't what you were implying.

stldickie · 05-27-2004, 01:44 PM

No way any state, even Mississippi, has an average IQ as low as 85

rsl12 · 05-27-2004, 01:45 PM

side note: It's interesting to see on the map the line of blue following along the mississippi river. Just a random thought.

seretogis · 05-27-2004, 01:59 PM

/palmforehead

Zeld2.0 · 05-27-2004, 01:59 PM

Great way to start stereotyping

So all Gore supporters are now crack addicts and all Bush supporters are rednecks and trailer trash?

And FYI most of those blue areas on the map consist of far more people than maybe a lot of the red areas combined so it means little

lordjeebus · 05-27-2004, 02:30 PM

Hoax

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/comments/960/

matthew330 · 05-27-2004, 02:49 PM

Is anyone else thinking "I wonder what state [random tfp'er] is from"?

matthew330 · 05-27-2004, 02:49 PM

im from Maryland by the way.

Publius · 05-27-2004, 05:21 PM

Can I just say DOH! Thats what I get for not checking a source before posting it here. Had a friend show these figures to me today while I was at work and found them interesting wanted to post them so that I would have something to talk about tonight once I got home.....shit. Well anyway looks like we got lots of responses and thats always good. Oh btw, according to Mensa the average IQ on most tests is suppose to be around 90 - 100 so this list seems if anything a little top heavy. Course, I personally dont put any credit into IQ tests because I view them as a tool of the establishment to keep people down, and with a supposed IQ in the 160's I should know. (sarcasim for those who take me literaly)

assilem · 05-27-2004, 05:42 PM

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Originally posted by Publius
Can I just say DOH! Thats what I get for not checking a source before posting it here. Had a friend show these figures to me today while I was at work and found them interesting wanted to post them so that I would have something to talk about tonight once I got home.....shit. Well anyway looks like we got lots of responses and thats always good. Oh btw, according to Mensa the average IQ on most tests is suppose to be around 90 - 100 so this list seems if anything a little top heavy. Course, I personally dont put any credit into IQ tests because I view them as a tool of the establishment to keep people down, and with a supposed IQ in the 160's I should know. (sarcasim for those who take me literaly)

What in the hell are your talking about? The reason for your post was to illustrate some kind correlation between being republican and being RETARDED! Go back and read the rules. I've been an asshole sometimes here on the TFP, but come on man.

And it’s not about how many replies you get?

*Shakes head sorrowfully*

charms · 05-27-2004, 05:53 PM

Unfortunately, this has been making the rounds of the left wing blogs and mailing lists. Liberals will sit back smugly asserting that they are intellectually superior, making it all the more ironic that they had to make up the data to support it.

Steven Sailer has exhaustively debunked this here.

Zeld2.0 · 05-27-2004, 06:46 PM

Yawn more trashing and insults

This thread needs to be locked

Publius · 05-27-2004, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by assilem
What in the hell are your talking about? The reason for your post was to illustrate some kind correlation between being republican and being RETARDED! Go back and read the rules. I've been an asshole sometimes here on the TFP, but come on man.

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Originally posted by charms
Unfortunately, this has been making the rounds of the left wing blogs and mailing lists. Liberals will sit back smugly asserting that they are intellectually superior, making it all the more ironic that they had to make up the data to support it

Hmm ... well again like I said I got suckered on this one because I didn't check the source and it was an email sent to my friend, so mistake on my part. Second, and just so I make this clear, it was not my intention to blame republicans for being "retarded" unless of course you think voting for Bush was a retarded thing to do., in which case I would fit that catagory as well. (oh here is a big shocker for some, I voted for BUSH! damn now dont that beat all?) I honesty thought this would be a good discussion topic but since it has turned out now to be, I say let it die... (a slow and long whiny death now doupt)

boatin · 05-27-2004, 11:44 PM

The bogus poll is useless. But I'm curious about the point of the map. There is no questions that the land mass is mostly red. But Gore did win the popular vote. Do we care more about the empty space than numbers of people?

reconmike · 05-28-2004, 04:27 AM

Here are some numbers from the map:
Population of counties won Bush 143 million, Gore 127 million.

Economic growth Bush 14% Gore 5%

Murder per 100,000 people in counties won Bush 2.1, Gore 13.2

What I care about is that the big cities do not control who runs this country.

Viking1064 · 05-28-2004, 05:32 AM

It is extremely obvious that this is a hoax just by using some logic. If Mississippi has an AVERAGE IQ of 85, that mean 50% of the population there is below 85. I have never been to Mississippi, but I do not have to be an idiot to realize there is no way that is possible.

123dsa · 05-28-2004, 06:54 AM

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Originally posted by Viking1064
It is extremely obvious that this is a hoax just by using some logic. If Mississippi has an AVERAGE IQ of 85, that mean 50% of the population there is below 85. I have never been to Mississippi, but I do not have to be an idiot to realize there is no way that is possible.

Not entirely true... if Mississippi simply had a huge population of mentally retarded individuals the average would be lowered without half of the state population being lower than 85. You are correct in saying that they're obviously bogus though.

Random thought: anybody else having trouble believing that Publius has an IQ of 160.

"Hmm ... well again like I said I got suckered on this one because I didn't check the source and it was an email sent to my friend, so mistake on my part. Second, and just so I make this clear, it was not my intention to blame republicans for being "retarded" unless of course you think voting for Bush was a retarded thing to do., in which case I would fit that catagory as well. (oh here is a big shocker for some, I voted for BUSH! damn now dont that beat all?) I honesty thought this would be a good discussion topic but since it has turned out now to be, I say let it die... (a slow and long whiny death now doupt)"

Brillant!
Lsd

analog · 05-28-2004, 07:14 AM

Closed due to bullshit "information" that didn't even come from a source.

Also, the flaming nonsense that afterwards ensued.

Link to your sources, people. If i'd caught this eariler, it'd have never stayed.

05-27-2004, 12:45 PM	#3 (permalink)
^Ice_Bat^ Insane Location: Southpark, Colorado	This info is bogus. Where did you get this from? Theonion.com? __________________ If you ever catch on fire, try to avoid looking in a mirror, because I bet that will really throw you into a panic. - Jack Handy

05-27-2004, 12:57 PM	#4 (permalink)
fernweh Crazy Location: San Francisco	I'm left-wing and all, but if I may play devil's advocate, this whole thing seems pretty specious to me. First of all, the idea behind an IQ test is finding a way to measure an individual's reasoning ability against the population average. If you use it to compare different populations, the most you'd be doing is showing the societal bias behind the particular IQ test you were using. The states that scored higher, on average, seem to be more urban states with more college towns; in other words, the people who designed this quasi-experimental study in the first place. And anyway, whatever your IQ is, you're equally entitled to vote for whomever you think represents you the best. Even if this test were really some way of showing one state as being "smarter" than another, so what? __________________ f-e-r-n-w-e-h is actually a gross misspelling of the name "gregory"

05-27-2004, 01:18 PM	#5 (permalink)
assilem Insane Location: Eternity	Publius, are you trying to piss off all of the republicans and conservatives here? You’re doing a great job. Do you really believe that we are all just a bunch of dumb fuck hicks? Can you please post the link that these "numbers" came from? __________________ The mother of mankind, what time his pride Had cast him out from Heaven, with all his host Of rebel Angels

05-27-2004, 01:25 PM	#6 (permalink)
reconmike Thank You Jesus Location: Twilight Zone	You have to be kidding with this right? Let's go to the map. Seems to me that the areas that voted for Gore have the highest HOOD (edited due to the liberal spelling police) population. Did your little site take into account their IQ's? Unless Crack dealing is on the test I think its alittle wacked out. __________________ Where is Darwin when ya need him? Last edited by reconmike; 05-27-2004 at 01:30 PM..

05-27-2004, 01:26 PM	#7 (permalink)
rsl12 On the lam Location: northern va	as much as I'd like to believe that your average Bush supporter is not as intelligent as your average Gore supporter, I have a hard time believing that the average IQ of Mississippi is 85!! That is an extraordinarily low number. I've never been to Mississippi for any extended period of time, but to think that, over such a large area that the average could be that low is hard to believe. I would love to see the source of this list. Sample IQ questions would also be nice to see--I don't really buy into this 'urban-white' bias business, but seeing the questions would definitely help prove your point, at least in my eyes. __________________ oh baby oh baby, i like gravy.

05-27-2004, 12:41 PM	#2 (permalink)
noahfor Addict	I thought forest gump was like an 85?

05-27-2004, 01:39 PM	#11 (permalink)
rsl12 On the lam Location: northern va	reconmike--your implication is that people who live in ghettos are less intelligent than average. Tell me if this isn't what you were implying. __________________ oh baby oh baby, i like gravy.

05-27-2004, 01:44 PM	#12 (permalink)
stldickie Addict	No way any state, even Mississippi, has an average IQ as low as 85

05-27-2004, 01:45 PM	#13 (permalink)
rsl12 On the lam Location: northern va	side note: It's interesting to see on the map the line of blue following along the mississippi river. Just a random thought. __________________ oh baby oh baby, i like gravy.

05-27-2004, 01:59 PM	#14 (permalink)
seretogis Huggles, sir? Location: Seattle	/palmforehead __________________ seretogis - sieg heil perfect little dream the kind that hurts the most, forgot how it feels well almost no one to blame always the same, open my eyes wake up in flames

05-27-2004, 01:59 PM	#15 (permalink)
Zeld2.0 Cherry-pickin' devil's advocate Location: Los Angeles	Great way to start stereotyping So all Gore supporters are now crack addicts and all Bush supporters are rednecks and trailer trash? And FYI most of those blue areas on the map consist of far more people than maybe a lot of the red areas combined so it means little

05-27-2004, 02:30 PM	#16 (permalink)
lordjeebus ‚±‚Ìˆó˜U‚ª–Ú‚É“ü‚ç‚Ê‚© Location: College	Hoax http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/comments/960/

05-27-2004, 02:49 PM	#17 (permalink)
matthew330 Banned	Is anyone else thinking "I wonder what state [random tfp'er] is from"?

05-27-2004, 02:49 PM	#18 (permalink)
matthew330 Banned	im from Maryland by the way.

05-27-2004, 05:21 PM	#19 (permalink)
Publius Crazy Location: Never Never Land	Can I just say DOH! Thats what I get for not checking a source before posting it here. Had a friend show these figures to me today while I was at work and found them interesting wanted to post them so that I would have something to talk about tonight once I got home.....shit. Well anyway looks like we got lots of responses and thats always good. Oh btw, according to Mensa the average IQ on most tests is suppose to be around 90 - 100 so this list seems if anything a little top heavy. Course, I personally dont put any credit into IQ tests because I view them as a tool of the establishment to keep people down, and with a supposed IQ in the 160's I should know. (sarcasim for those who take me literaly)

05-27-2004, 05:53 PM	#21 (permalink)
charms Upright	Unfortunately, this has been making the rounds of the left wing blogs and mailing lists. Liberals will sit back smugly asserting that they are intellectually superior, making it all the more ironic that they had to make up the data to support it. Steven Sailer has exhaustively debunked this here.

05-27-2004, 06:46 PM	#22 (permalink)
Zeld2.0 Cherry-pickin' devil's advocate Location: Los Angeles	Yawn more trashing and insults This thread needs to be locked

05-27-2004, 11:44 PM	#24 (permalink)
boatin Psycho	The bogus poll is useless. But I'm curious about the point of the map. There is no questions that the land mass is mostly red. But Gore did win the popular vote. Do we care more about the empty space than numbers of people?

05-28-2004, 04:27 AM	#25 (permalink)
reconmike Thank You Jesus Location: Twilight Zone	Here are some numbers from the map: Population of counties won Bush 143 million, Gore 127 million. Economic growth Bush 14% Gore 5% Murder per 100,000 people in counties won Bush 2.1, Gore 13.2 What I care about is that the big cities do not control who runs this country. __________________ Where is Darwin when ya need him?

05-28-2004, 05:32 AM	#26 (permalink)
Viking1064 Insane Location: New Jersey	It is extremely obvious that this is a hoax just by using some logic. If Mississippi has an AVERAGE IQ of 85, that mean 50% of the population there is below 85. I have never been to Mississippi, but I do not have to be an idiot to realize there is no way that is possible.

05-28-2004, 07:14 AM	#28 (permalink)
analog Banned	Closed due to bullshit "information" that didn't even come from a source. Also, the flaming nonsense that afterwards ensued. Link to your sources, people. If i'd caught this eariler, it'd have never stayed.