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Kurant · 05-18-2004, 06:48 PM

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Originally posted by G5_Todd

even stern who supports kerry hard core.....because of the whole fcc thing hasnt said anything good about kerry other than he isnt bush

Good enough reason for me.

I swear, I read someone in another thread say no one around here supported Kerry. Guess they were wrong.

G5_Todd · 05-18-2004, 07:03 PM

well it isnt a good enought reason for me....

i think bush has done a good job the last 4 years....

i think he could have done better ...but im not gonna vote for someone who has nothing to bring to the table just because i dont agree with the current president....

i mean he handled this war as good as can be expected

the economy is heading up steadily....

under the bush......i got two jobs...left the first one for more money at my current.......

and am in the process of purchasing my first house......

Kurant · 05-18-2004, 08:19 PM

I didn't say Bush didn't do a good job, I never said that. He's done things I don't think anyone could have expected.

However, the way he handled the war so far is acceptable? Yeah, I suppose, to some people. I think it's ludicris to call it acceptable. The whole situation there is out of control. Not that it's not expected to have a little turmoil. It is a war.

I just think the entire Bush administration sucks. Not that any other politician would, but I just don't think he's been 100% honest with himself, or the American people, or the members of congress funding this freak show.

Kurant · 05-18-2004, 08:42 PM

oops double post blah

JBX · 05-19-2004, 03:40 AM

The rumor is indeed true. No one wants to vote for Kerry, just against the President for their perception of his job at this point of his administration that has been filtered through the media they choose to follow. Actually I feel bad for Kerry, no one "wants" to vote for him.

Kadath · 05-19-2004, 04:58 AM

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Originally posted by JBX
The rumor is indeed true. No one wants to vote for Kerry, just against the President for their perception of his job at this point of his administration that has been filtered through the media they choose to follow. Actually I feel bad for Kerry, no one "wants" to vote for him.

Don't feel that badly. More people wanted Davis out than wanted Schwarzenegger in, and he got elected. Sometimes being the lesser of two evils is all it takes. I don't think it's that I don't want Kerry. It's that I dislike Bush so very much more than I want Kerry that it's ceased to become an issue. I don't dislike Bush because I think he's doing a bad job. I dislike him because I disagree with just about every one of his beliefs.

HarmlessRabbit · 05-19-2004, 06:29 AM

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Originally posted by Kadath
Don't feel that badly. More people wanted Davis out than wanted Schwarzenegger in, and he got elected. Sometimes being the lesser of two evils is all it takes. I don't think it's that I don't want Kerry. It's that I dislike Bush so very much more than I want Kerry that it's ceased to become an issue. I don't dislike Bush because I think he's doing a bad job. I dislike him because I disagree with just about every one of his beliefs.

Ditto. I like Kerry, I just don't love him. But I really, really, really dislike Bush. As I said before, if a potted plant was electable, I would be voting for it against Bush.

Sparhawk · 05-19-2004, 08:23 AM

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Originally posted by HarmlessRabbit
Ditto. I like Kerry, I just don't love him. But I really, really, really dislike Bush. As I said before, if a potted plant was electable, I would be voting for it against Bush.

I like potted plants.

Peetster · 05-19-2004, 09:15 AM

I'm another 40+ GWB fan. Finally, we have a president with a moral compass that actually does what he says he is going to do.

Dostoevsky · 05-19-2004, 12:40 PM

I'm voting for Bush. That being said, I don't really like Bush all that much. I would never vote for a liberal because they push for increasing amounts of government control over the every day functions of society and private citizens. Eventually, they will try to turn us all into subjects. Laugh now, cry later. Also, I like what Bush has done in Afghanistan and Iraq as well as turning the economy around after Clinton's blundering.

mml · 05-19-2004, 01:13 PM

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Originally posted by JBX
The rumor is indeed true. No one wants to vote for Kerry, just against the President for their perception of his job at this point of his administration that has been filtered through the media they choose to follow. Actually I feel bad for Kerry, no one "wants" to vote for him.

Uhhh, apparently no one reads my posts - much saddness I am ignored

Actually, I am pro Kerry, I even volunteered for him during the Arizona primaries and will do so again this summer and leading up to the general election.

debaser · 05-22-2004, 02:56 AM

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Originally posted by Dostoevsky
I'm voting for Bush. That being said, I don't really like Bush all that much. I would never vote for a liberal because they push for increasing amounts of government control over the every day functions of society and private citizens.

*cough* DHS *cough*

Warf Rat · 05-22-2004, 05:33 AM

I will be voting for Bush, and dancing at the inaugural ball, just like last time.

I would love to see a good libritarian though.

Hwed · 05-22-2004, 01:21 PM

I'm shocked at how many people are actually willing to vote for Kerry. This is the same man who wants to turn our national security over to the UN Security Council... yes, the same group that was nice and comfy in Saddam's back pocket taking billions of bribes in the oil-for-food scandal. Kerry wants to entrust America's safety to those goons? No thanks.

People get angry at Bush for Iraq, and I can understand that, but when those same people start claiming that he should have done more before 9-11, I have to do a double take. Action in Iraq is preventing the next 9-11, and it's part of a larger strategy that will eliminate terrorists at their roots.

Bush all the way.

Stompy · 05-22-2004, 06:29 PM

I'd have to say Kerry.

I dislike Bush. I voted for him the first time because his platform was a lot better than Gore's, however, he hasn't really done anything positive for this country. He's simply too scary to have in power. I don't mean that we should turtle ourselves in our country, but goddamn Bush is going about things the WRONG way.

He has to be the most hated leader in allf the world right now, and there's a reason for it.

Voting anything other than the primary two is just a waste of a vote. 3rd party will NOT win. I know we'd like to think the possibility is there, but let's face the facts here.. it's not gonna happen. I'm willing to bet my next year's worth of paychecks on that one, too. Anyone care to bet?

If you're voting for Nader, you might as well not vote at all, because the winner will be either Bush or Kerry. If you don't like those two choices, by all means, don't just throw your vote away. You have a chance in swaying the outcome.

Sparhawk · 05-22-2004, 08:42 PM

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Originally posted by Hwed
I'm shocked at how many people are actually willing to vote for Kerry. This is the same man who wants to turn our national security over to the UN Security Council... yes, the same group that was nice and comfy in Saddam's back pocket taking billions of bribes in the oil-for-food scandal. Kerry wants to entrust America's safety to those goons? No thanks.

People get angry at Bush for Iraq, and I can understand that, but when those same people start claiming that he should have done more before 9-11, I have to do a double take. Action in Iraq is preventing the next 9-11, and it's part of a larger strategy that will eliminate terrorists at their roots.

Bush all the way.

The chasm between your worldview and mine should be properly named the Grand Canyon.

I'm voting for John Kerry, because he will bring dignity and honor back to the White House.

filtherton · 05-22-2004, 09:00 PM

I'm voting kerry because i think four years of a lame duck bush would truly be a frightening thing.

HeAtHeN · 05-22-2004, 09:06 PM

I wish there was a better 3rd option. OK so I'm not American.... but the choice is not a great one. However... I don't understand how anyone could vote for Bush after what he's done.

Paq · 05-22-2004, 09:21 PM

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Originally posted by Dostoevsky
I'm voting for Bush. That being said, I don't really like Bush all that much. I would never vote for a liberal because they push for increasing amounts of government control over the every day functions of society and private citizens. Eventually, they will try to turn us all into subjects. Laugh now, cry later. Also, I like what Bush has done in Afghanistan and Iraq as well as turning the economy around after Clinton's blundering.

see...i see the republican party as exerting more control over private lives, monitoring what you're doing, becoming 'Big brother,' if you will...
Also, i consider the clinton economic status to be pretty high, i was making great money for a college student, was able to work for a new business that popped up, ate out, had money, school was doing much better, budget cuts weren't happening as often as have since 2001, etc.
republicans wtih the war on drugs, war on terror, pornography, music, everything seems so determined to make everyone follow a certain rule. Gay rights? Choice? Certain parts of the patriot act? And this is the party that is supposed to stay out of personal lives?

Ralvek · 05-25-2004, 07:47 PM

Easiest question I've been asked in years!

MooseMan3000 · 05-25-2004, 09:38 PM

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Originally posted by Stare At The Sun
Im going to vote for kerry. Lesser of two evils i think. even though i would like to see a libertarian president....

"Libertarian president?" Can that exist?

No offense, of course.

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Originally posted by Giltwist
Neither. I am going to vote for Ralph Nader. Here's why. I may be a registered Republican, but I, for one, am sick of GW. If a different Republican were to run, I might vote for him, but its a bit late for that isn't it. So, do I vote for Kerry? Heck no. I am not in any way convinced that Kerry will do any better a job than GW. If you look at some of the recent polls you will see that I am not alone. The majority of people are dissatisfied with Bush's handling of the war. HOWEVER, the polls are practically 50/50 between Bush and Kerry. This means, although they don't like Bush, people don't see a reason to shift their vote to Kerry.... However, I am not so blind as to see that the US is not quite ready for an independant candidate to win, but if nobody votes for them now, there will never be a victorious independant candidate.

When did we stop voting for the best candidate and start voting for the candidate who will do the least damage?

Well, consider that GW is an incumbent... so that "50/50" is more like "50/25/25 who just vote incumbent 'because he's doing a good job' "

And while I agree on principle with voting independent or Green, I just don't see a third party candidate EVER becoming president with our current system. Sorry. Maybe I'm jaded. Heh.

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I'm another 40+ GWB fan. Finally, we have a president with a moral compass that actually does what he says he is going to do.

Does what he says he is going to do? "We WILL find weapons of mass destruction." (among others...) Sorry, I'm not convinced.

Also, when doing what you say you're going to do means ignoring the will of the general populace... is that a GOOD thing? Er.

Delvid · 06-02-2004, 08:12 AM

Kerry. Bush wants to turn this country into a theocracy. Scary.

dogzilla · 06-03-2004, 07:35 AM

I expect to vote for Bush. I don't care for much of the Democratic party agenda and don't like what I've read about Kerry's absentee record in Congress or his flip flops on issues.

Wax_off · 06-03-2004, 08:34 AM

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Originally posted by dogzilla
I expect to vote for Bush. I don't care for much of the Democratic party agenda and don't like what I've read about Kerry's absentee record in Congress or his flip flops on issues.

So whay exactly do you think the democratic party agenda is? Big govt? How could you increase the size of govt. more than Bush has? Tax and spend? Worse than borrow and spend? Big brother? C'mon now, you claiming that Bush has increased you personal liberties and freedoms?

No really. What do you think the Dem. agenda is?

I'll vote Kerry because Bush's moral compass is being warped by the neo-cons and that's just SCARY. I mean it. I'm scared for my country, it's going the wrong way. Bush was voted in to office as a moderate republican. Along the way he has turned into a radical, not holding republican views anymore. Where is his mandate from the public for turning the country so sharply? He wasn't even voted in by a majority. And that's why he has to go.

Kadath · 06-03-2004, 09:31 AM

http://www.theonion.com/news/index.p...2&n=1&bypass=1

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Poll: Many Americans Still Unsure Who To Vote Against

WASHINGTON, DC—According to Gallup Poll results released Monday, 6 percent of Americans are still undecided about whether to vote against President Bush or Democratic challenger John Kerry in November's presidential election.
"At first, I was really leaning toward voting against Kerry, because the way he tried to hide his ambivalence about his military service made him seem like a political operator," poll participant and Trenton, NJ resident Amber Barthelme said. "But then, the Bush Administration's mishandling of the Iraqi prisoner-abuse scandal got me thinking that there's a lot to not like about the current administration. It's almost impossible to decide which side I don't want to be on."

According to the poll, 46 percent of the registered voters surveyed would vote against Bush if the election were held tomorrow, while 45 percent said they were ready to vote against Kerry. Factoring in the 2 percent margin of error, the two candidates are essentially deadlocked in the race to determine which candidate America doesn't support.

Researcher Jack Harmon, an analyst for the independent Beltway think tank the Dewey-Markham Institute, said these undecided Americans will be crucial in deciding the next election.

"As the messy occupation of Iraq drags on, Bush's approval rating continues to drop, strengthening the position of the anti-Bush voting bloc," Harmon said. "This trend is offset by the Bush camp's $80 million anti-Kerry ad campaign, which has cemented anti-Kerry sentiment in several key swing states. As the election approaches, it's becoming more and more difficult to determine the likely loser."

Harmon said voters are conflicted, wanting to cast environmental and antiwar votes against Bush, but wishing also to oppose Kerry's position on taxation.

"The two major parties face a tough struggle," Harmon said. "As the election approaches, both must convince undecided voters that the opposing party's candidate is worse than their own. As both parties take more moderate positions in an election year, it's getting harder to convince citizens that there's a reason to get out there and vote against anyone."

Brad Thomas, a Louisiana machinist, is one of many Americans who have yet to decide whom they'll vote against.

"I'd like to say I'm against Bush because he lied about weapons of mass destruction," Thomas said. "On the other hand, Kerry's lack of substantive positions really disgusts me, as well."

Tina Schalek, a Branson, MO theater manager, said she is also undecided.

"John Kerry's only virtue is that he hasn't been in a position to make any major mistakes," Schalek said. "On the other hand, I hate Bush's views on abortion. My only consolation is that a vote against either candidate is a vote against Nader."

In spite of such ambivalence among swing voters, surveys reveal that the majority of Americans have determined which candidate they will vote against.

"It's time to trim the Bush from the White House," Akron, OH resident Doug Hamm said. "In 2004, it's time for Bush to get bushwhacked!"

Pressed to elaborate on his views, Hamm said, "To be honest, Kerry could be a guy with a paper bag over his head, for all I care. I'd vote for anybody as long as he wasn't Bush."

Karla Barr of Chicago had similarly strong opinions about Kerry.

"Kerry is a wishy-washy flip-flopper, changing his tune every time the wind blows," Barr said, repeating a phrase she'd heard on The Rush Limbaugh Show. "Can I trust a man who can't make up his mind about Communism? I don't think so."

Added Barr: "We have to remember how close the 2000 election was, when we voted against Gore. Actually, to be fair, when I voted against Gore, I was voting against Clinton."

dogzilla · 06-03-2004, 04:06 PM

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Originally posted by Wax_off
So whay exactly do you think the democratic party agenda is? Big govt? How could you increase the size of govt. more than Bush has? Tax and spend? Worse than borrow and spend? Big brother? C'mon now, you claiming that Bush has increased you personal liberties and freedoms?

No really. What do you think the Dem. agenda is?

My view is Democrats favor welfare entitlement programs and programs such as affirmative action. Granted, they have gotten better with welfare programs, but not enough for me.

View Poll Results: Bush or Kerry?
Bush	59	28.78%
Kerry	128	62.44%
Other (ie 3rd Party Candidate)	12	5.85%
Not going to vote. Why bother?	6	2.93%
Voters: 205. You may not vote on this poll

05-18-2004, 07:03 PM	#42 (permalink)
G5_Todd Junkie Location: Reichstag	well it isnt a good enought reason for me.... i think bush has done a good job the last 4 years.... i think he could have done better ...but im not gonna vote for someone who has nothing to bring to the table just because i dont agree with the current president.... i mean he handled this war as good as can be expected the economy is heading up steadily.... under the bush......i got two jobs...left the first one for more money at my current....... and am in the process of purchasing my first house...... __________________ "....and when you men get home and face an anti-war protester, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend, because she knows she's dating a pussy." -General Franks

05-18-2004, 08:19 PM	#43 (permalink)
Kurant Junkie Location: Don't worry about it.	I didn't say Bush didn't do a good job, I never said that. He's done things I don't think anyone could have expected. However, the way he handled the war so far is acceptable? Yeah, I suppose, to some people. I think it's ludicris to call it acceptable. The whole situation there is out of control. Not that it's not expected to have a little turmoil. It is a war. I just think the entire Bush administration sucks. Not that any other politician would, but I just don't think he's been 100% honest with himself, or the American people, or the members of congress funding this freak show. Last edited by Kurant; 05-18-2004 at 08:43 PM..

05-19-2004, 03:40 AM	#45 (permalink)
JBX Unfair and Imbalanced Location: Upstate, NY	The rumor is indeed true. No one wants to vote for Kerry, just against the President for their perception of his job at this point of his administration that has been filtered through the media they choose to follow. Actually I feel bad for Kerry, no one "wants" to vote for him. __________________ "Youth and Strength is no match for Age and Treachery"

05-19-2004, 12:40 PM	#50 (permalink)
Dostoevsky Psycho Location: Macon, GA	I'm voting for Bush. That being said, I don't really like Bush all that much. I would never vote for a liberal because they push for increasing amounts of government control over the every day functions of society and private citizens. Eventually, they will try to turn us all into subjects. Laugh now, cry later. Also, I like what Bush has done in Afghanistan and Iraq as well as turning the economy around after Clinton's blundering. __________________ Pride is the recognition of the fact that you are your own highest value and, like all of man’s values, it has to be earned. It is not advisable, James, to venture unsolicited opinions. You should spare yourself the embarrassing discovery of their exact value to your listener. Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

05-18-2004, 08:42 PM	#44 (permalink)
Kurant Junkie Location: Don't worry about it.	oops double post blah

05-19-2004, 09:15 AM	#49 (permalink)
Peetster Right Now Location: Home	I'm another 40+ GWB fan. Finally, we have a president with a moral compass that actually does what he says he is going to do.

05-22-2004, 05:33 AM	#53 (permalink)
Warf Rat Psycho Location: Philadelphia	I will be voting for Bush, and dancing at the inaugural ball, just like last time. I would love to see a good libritarian though. __________________ A day late, and a dollar short.

05-22-2004, 01:21 PM	#54 (permalink)
Hwed Tilted	I'm shocked at how many people are actually willing to vote for Kerry. This is the same man who wants to turn our national security over to the UN Security Council... yes, the same group that was nice and comfy in Saddam's back pocket taking billions of bribes in the oil-for-food scandal. Kerry wants to entrust America's safety to those goons? No thanks. People get angry at Bush for Iraq, and I can understand that, but when those same people start claiming that he should have done more before 9-11, I have to do a double take. Action in Iraq is preventing the next 9-11, and it's part of a larger strategy that will eliminate terrorists at their roots. Bush all the way.

05-22-2004, 06:29 PM	#55 (permalink)
Stompy Banned from being Banned Location: Donkey	I'd have to say Kerry. I dislike Bush. I voted for him the first time because his platform was a lot better than Gore's, however, he hasn't really done anything positive for this country. He's simply too scary to have in power. I don't mean that we should turtle ourselves in our country, but goddamn Bush is going about things the WRONG way. He has to be the most hated leader in allf the world right now, and there's a reason for it. Voting anything other than the primary two is just a waste of a vote. 3rd party will NOT win. I know we'd like to think the possibility is there, but let's face the facts here.. it's not gonna happen. I'm willing to bet my next year's worth of paychecks on that one, too. Anyone care to bet? If you're voting for Nader, you might as well not vote at all, because the winner will be either Bush or Kerry. If you don't like those two choices, by all means, don't just throw your vote away. You have a chance in swaying the outcome. __________________ I love lamp.

05-22-2004, 09:00 PM	#57 (permalink)
filtherton Junkie Location: In the land of ice and snow.	I'm voting kerry because i think four years of a lame duck bush would truly be a frightening thing.

05-25-2004, 07:47 PM	#60 (permalink)
Ralvek Crazy Location: MN	Easiest question I've been asked in years! __________________ Ban country music, it promotes inbreeding.

06-02-2004, 08:12 AM	#62 (permalink)
Delvid Insane Location: Missouri	Kerry. Bush wants to turn this country into a theocracy. Scary.

06-03-2004, 07:35 AM	#63 (permalink)
dogzilla Junkie Location: New York	I expect to vote for Bush. I don't care for much of the Democratic party agenda and don't like what I've read about Kerry's absentee record in Congress or his flip flops on issues.