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Mondak · 01-29-2004, 07:11 PM

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Originally posted by Sparhawk
As for "Why Kerry?" I like the idea of a commander-in-chief who has actually seen combat deciding when to send military forces overseas, as opposed to the chickenhawlks we have today. I'm curious, Mondak where does your hatred of this guy come from?

This just doesn't sound like enough to draw a man's hate to me...

You know the big problem comes from being mostly a cynic anyway. Politicians make me feel so helpless to change anything. Most if not all of them are bought and paid for long before you would ever see them on TV or the news. When folks tell us what they think will get them to where they need to be rather than what they truely believe, it sucks. That goes for everyone from every political walk of life so lets not start a flame war.

As for Kerry, maybe it is not his fault, he just aggrivated my own issues. When I continue to listen to him on TV and read what he has to say, it seems he has identified a lot of problems with this country and really has not given a lot of concrete solutions. Again - lets not make this flame bait - you asked and I answered. I am not saying I am right or that this is isolated to Kerry. They all do it. I just saw a lot lately from him since he gets a lot of airtime.

That same reason is what made me want to start this thread. I like to know why folks are attracted one way or another so I can make sure I weigh what others feel or have to say. I see lots of folks attracted to Kerry and wonder why. BTW, if Edwards or one of the others was doing well in the polls, I might have started this thread about him instead.

Superbelt · 01-29-2004, 07:29 PM

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If you like John Kerry I'd expect you to learn about him, how he married a rich girl, left her when she had depression, and even tried to have the marriage annulled despite having 2 children with her while he moved on the next even richer widow.

See, Kerry is Catholic. If you have much experience with the Catholic church you would know how intensely they frown upon divorce.
You are made a pariah if you divorce and then remarry in the Catholic Church. You are not permitted to hold any positions of importance with the church, not Usher, not fundraiser. You are not allowed to receive communion and your marriage is not recognized by the church whatsoever.

A Catholic who wishes to remain an active part of his church must get an annulment before they allow him to get married again.

I am saddened by your lack of intellectual effort in this matter. You have the temerity to bring up him wanting an annulment, but you fail to inform us what happens to a practicing Catholic if he does not get one before he gets married. That is an important part of the issue that you leave out.
The way you phrased it, you make him look like a monster who wants only to hurt the woman who fathered his first two children.
But maybe that was your intent. I really didn't expect much from you. But I always have hope.

Superbelt · 01-29-2004, 07:33 PM

Additionally, his ex-Wife's Depression was starting to pull Kerry down with her. They would be at social or political functions, Kerry would speak a little and his wife would quip in with harsh and nasty criticisms that would thoroughly embarass him.
It's all documented in her book. Example after example of the many things that her depression did to drive Kerry away from her.

Do I like that he divorced her over that? No, it isn't something I would do or approve of. It was 22 years ago though. And people aren't perfect. Presidential History is full of flawed men. Lord knows Clinton and Bush have their character flaws.

mml · 01-30-2004, 10:54 AM

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Originally posted by Mondak
You know the big problem comes from being mostly a cynic anyway. Politicians make me feel so helpless to change anything. Most if not all of them are bought and paid for long before you would ever see them on TV or the news. When folks tell us what they think will get them to where they need to be rather than what they truely believe, it sucks. That goes for everyone from every political walk of life so lets not start a flame war.

As for Kerry, maybe it is not his fault, he just aggrivated my own issues. When I continue to listen to him on TV and read what he has to say, it seems he has identified a lot of problems with this country and really has not given a lot of concrete solutions. Again - lets not make this flame bait - you asked and I answered. I am not saying I am right or that this is isolated to Kerry. They all do it. I just saw a lot lately from him since he gets a lot of airtime.

Mondak, this is pretty perceptive of you. I think much of the Dean backlash began because all we heard from the media was how this guy was it and he was everywhere. Now, it is Kerry's turn at the helm and we will see how well he stands up. The fact is that Kerry is a traditional politician and that often turns people off. Add the fact that you can't seem to go a half hour without seeing him or hearing him or hearing about him and it gets irritating - and remember, he's the guy I've liked all along.

I respect that you have taken the time to see what he is all about, and I wish more people would do the same.

As far as Ustwo, I understand you get frustrated when people zip off one-liners and press releases, just make sure you don't do the same. Most Americans, regardless of party, are too busy or lazy to do the research necessary. I respect that you generally do your due diligence before posting but before labeling Senator Kerry as "unfit" for some of his personal foibles and private life decisions, you should consider some the life choices made by President Bush. (This is not meant to start a thread war, it is just a statement that EVERYONE has things in their past they may not be proud of. Those things don't necessarily prohibit them from being good, successful people in the future.)

Mondak · 01-30-2004, 04:01 PM

mml - I am super glad you did not get all pissed at me for saying I did not agree with Kerry that much. I was afraid of starting a flame war with some folks who don't understand civil conversation.

Just because I don't agree with his politics does not mean he (or you for that matter) is a bad guy. It also does not mean that I should not look deeper into what he has to say. I mean if people think he is a decent guy, then I owe it to myself to at least find out why . . . right or wrong in my eyes.

I noticed your new avatar. good for you. As I mentioned in another thread, it has been a long time since I followed someone I believed in rather than the "lesser of two evils". Glad you found someone you liked enough. If you ever want to expand on why you like this fellow in paticular vs. some of the other dems, I would love to hear it.

I can assume that we would find common ground over some brews that our current leadership lacks some things. . .

hammer4all · 01-30-2004, 10:14 PM

Here is Kerry on the issues:
http://www.issues2000.org/John_Kerry.htm

Here is a profile of the younger Kerry:
http://www.democracynow.org/article..../01/28/1623208
http://www.democracynow.org/article..../01/29/1549203

Kerry, along with Bush, is also a member of Yale's now infamous secret society: Skull & Bones...
http://www.democracynow.org/article....=thread&tid=25

Sparhawk · 02-01-2004, 02:57 PM

From the horse's mouth, so to speak:

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“At a Republican pep rally today, the RNC's cheerleader in chief attacked John Kerry on national defense.

“John Kerry looks forward to a very vigorous debate with President Bush on the many failings of the Bush Administration from national defense to failed health care policy and more. John Kerry welcomes this discussion and looks forward to this debate. We await this debate and we look forward to it—Bring it on."

Fact Check on the RNC & Ed Gillespie’s Rhetoric

Why Has the RNC All of a Sudden Begun Putting Out False Negative Attacks on John Kerry? Maybe the Truth is in the Numbers…

John Kerry – 49%

George Bush – 46%

[Newsweek Poll, 1/25/04]

This afternoon, Republican National Committee Chairman, Ed Gillespie, in a blatant attempt to involve himself in the Democratic Primary unleashed a false negative attack on John Kerry’s record on National Security. Below is a summary of Gillespie’s rhetoric along with the real record that the Republican lobbyist-turned-attack-dog, Gillespie selfishly left out:

Republican Rhetoric: In 1984 he called for a freeze on testing, production and deployment of nuclear warheads, missiles, and other delivery systems.

Reality: John Kerry campaigned on a strong support for a nuclear freeze, knowing that the Reagan-era Star Wars, Mutually Assured Destruction policies were not the right course for the country and which violated international agreements such as Nixon’s ABMK Treaty. Kerry believed there were better uses for Defense funds than the ridiculous build up of nuclear arms under the Reagan Administration. Kerry also voted for the international ban on the testing on nuclear weapons. The treaty was supported by former chairs of the Joint Chiefs of Staff including now-Secretary of State Colin Powell and has repeatedly called for an end to the Bush Administration’s desire to build new bunker busting nuclear weapons. [Congressional Record, 6/24/93; 10/13/99, #325]

Republican Rhetoric: In 1985, he introduced a Comprehensive Nuclear Freeze Bill, and sponsored two amendments to freeze SDI-related nuclear development until the Soviet Union tested a nuclear weapon.

Reality: John Kerry has, was, in fact, a strong opponent of Reagan’s ill-advised, risky Star Wars defense scheme. Kerry rightly questioned the lack of science behind the laser-shooting satellites Reagan proposed and, instead, favored shifting those funds to the War on Drugs and care for our nation’s Veterans—two areas which were repeatedly overlooked in the Reagan Administration budgets.

Kerry Sought to Shift Funds from Star Wars to Drug War and Care for Vets – “…the Senate, amid dire warnings about turmoil in the Middle East, defeated efforts to make much deeper defense cutbacks and rejected an amendment by Sen. John Kerry to transfer $ 400 million from the Strategic Defense Initiative to the war on drugs and medical care for veterans. [Boston Globe, 8/5/90]

Kerry: Star Wars Lacking in Hard Science and Sound Defense – “Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass. and another SDI opponent, said the [American Physical Society] report marks "further evidence that the Reagan administration's more interested in rushing ahead with some kind of SDI deployments than it is in hard science or sound defenses. I suspect the report will be a significant factor in raising skepticism as Congress considers the SDI budget.” [The Record, 4/26/87]

Republican Rhetoric: In 1991, he acknowledged Saddam Hussein's possession of WMD, but voted against military action.

Reality: “I did indeed vote the way I voted in 1991. I thought we ought to kick Saddam Hussein out of Iraq. I said so on the floor of the Senate. But with the memories of Vietnam, I also thought we ought to take a couple of months more to build the support in the country.” [Fox News Sunday, 1/25/04]

Kerry, Grassley, Nunn, Others Oppose 1991 Gulf War Resolution – Urge More Time for Sanctions – John Kerry joined Republican Senator Charles Grassley (IA), then Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Sam Nunn (GA), Medal of Honor winners Bob Kerry (NE) and Daniel Inouye (HI), and Marine test pilot John Glenn in opposing the Senate’s Authorization of Use of Force against Iraq in 1991. [102nd Congress, Senate Roll Call Vote #2]

Kerry Says Bush in “Rush to War” – “Bush's Democratic opponents insisted they are not opposed to using force against Iraq but feel that Bush is too eager to abandon the sanctions policy. ‘There is a rush to war here,’ complained Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.). ‘There is a rush to get this thing over.’ ” [Los Angeles Times, 1/12/91]

Republican Rhetoric: “In 1993, Sen. Kerry introduced a plan to: cut the number of Navy submarines and their crews; reduce the number of light infantry units in the Army down to one; reduce Air Force tactical fighter wings; terminate the Navy's coastal mine-hunting ship program; and force the retirement of no less than 60,000 members of the Armed Forces in one year”

Reality: Kerry Strongly Supported the Military, Introduced a Plan to Reduce the Deficit Without Sacrificing Military - John Kerry has always supported the US. Military—apart from his two tours in U.S. Navy in Vietnam, Kerry has repeatedly supported military budgets and military construction. In contrast to an Administration that has turned the largest surplus in history into a $455 billion deficit, John Kerry was also willing to take the tough steps to reduce budget deficits. Kerry’s legislation, the Deficit Reduction Act of 1993, sought to cut wasteful spending including “wasteful defense programs” as Kerry stated in the Congressional Record. Like many other broad-based deficit reduction packages, Kerry’s bill took funding away from wasteful spending on pork barrel items and expensive space programs which have little benefit to the nation and transfers those saving to the general treasury to produce a balanced budget and a better economy for the country. [103rd Congress S.1163]

Kerry’s Deficit Reduction Package Similar to Those Introduced by Republicans- Certainly the RNC Wouldn’t be Attacking Their Own Members? But House Majority Whip Tom DeLay, R-Texas, said, "We are going to look at our own budgets and we're going to eliminate 1.4% of waste out of Congress, and we are asking all the other government to do the same." [USA Today 10/25/1999] Representative John R. Kasich of Ohio, chairman of the House Budget Committee, said the departments and agencies would be subjected to the kind of budgetary discipline that every successful business applies. One item that will not be affected is the $4,600 Congressional pay increase that Congress approved in July, raising senators' and representatives' salaries by 3.4 percent, to $141,300 a year. In budget terminology, this falls into the category of mandatory and not discretionary spending. [NY Times, 10/23/1999] But House Republican Conference Chairman J.C. Watts Jr. (Okla.), House Majority Whip Tom DeLay (Tex.) and other Republicans argued yesterday that the government was awash in wasteful spending--from a $ 1 million outhouse at Glacier National Park in Montana to two misplaced Defense Department tugboats--and said the government easily could find savings equivalent to one penny on every dollar of spending. [Washington Post, 10/27/1999]

Kerry is a Strong Supporter of America’s Military & Voted for “Largest Increase in Defense Spending Since the Early 1980’s” - John Kerry is a strong supporter of the U.S. Armed Services and has consistently worked to ensure the military has the best equipment and training possible. In 2002, John Kerry voted for a large increase in the defense budget. This increase provided more than $355 billion for the Defense Department for 2003, an increase of $21 billion over 2002. This measure includes $71.5 billion for procurement programs such as $279.3 million for an E-8C Joint Stars (JSTARS) aircraft. Kerry’s vote also funded a 4.1% pay increase for military personnel, $160 million for the B-1 Bomber Defense System Upgrade, $1.5 billion for a new attack submarine, more than $630 million for Army and Navy variants of the Blackhawk helicopter, $3.2 billion for additional C-17 transports and more than $800 million for Trident Submarine conversion. The current chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, John Warner (R-VA) stated:

Republican Rhetoric: In 1995, Sen. Kerry voted to freeze Defense spending for 7 years, cutting over $34 billion from Defense."

Reality: In the post-Cold War effort, it was necessary for the Department of Defense to eliminate waste and pork barrel projects. Kerry voted along with other strong on Defense Democrats such as Bob Kerrey and Carl Levin to eliminate waste and pork from the Defense budget and use the post Cold War defense savings (which started under then Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney and the first Bush Administration to invest in education. As the numbers break down, it equals $4.97 billion a year for seven years, or 1.9% of the annual Defense budget at the time. [Senate Roll Call Vote 1995, # 181]

Republican Rhetoric: His long Senate record belies his assertion that his approach to national security will make us safer as a nation.

Reality: John Kerry Has “Strong National Security Credentials” – [Wall Street Journal 9/5/02]

“McCain Gives Nod to Kerry Campaign” – “He's smart, he's tough and he's experienced. He has the capability.'' – U.S. Senator John McCain (R-AZ) [Boston Herald, 6/30/03]

Kerry is Working to Ensure the U.S. America’s Military Remains the Best in the World– John Kerry is working to ensure the United States maintains the best equipped and best trained military in the world. Kerry has called for a strong national security plan base upon technological advancement to combat terror across the globe. John Kerry was a key part of the group which determined that, “A strong, technologically superior defense is the foundation for US global leadership. The US must speed up the ‘revolution in military affairs’ that uses our technological advantage to project force in many different contingencies involving uncertain and rapidly changing security threats -- including terrorism and information warfare.” Additionally, Kerry set the ambitious goal of creating a “modernized military equipped to deal with emerging threats to security, such as terrorism, information warfare, weapons of mass destruction, and destabilizing regional conflicts.” In order to maintain the U.S. military’s dominance into the 21st Century, Kerry would later say, “We must provide the training, equipment and technology that allow our Armed Forces to successfully meet the daunting security challenges of the 21st Century.” [Dem. Leadership Council 8/1/00; Website of the U.S. Senator John Kerry; accessed 7/1/03]

Kerry’s “Military Record Gives Him Latitude to Criticize Bush's Stewardship of the War on Terrorism” [Thomma, Knight Ridder Tribune 1/13/03]

John Kerry: Working to Improve America’s Intelligence Capability and National Security

Kerry is an Experienced Leader in the Intelligence Field – John Kerry served on the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence is the former Vice Chairman of the Committee. Kerry joined the Committee in early 1995 and served until early 2001. Among the areas closely investigated by John Kerry and the Intelligence Committee include global terrorism, world wide threats to U.S. national security, international espionage, weapons of mass destruction, drug trafficking, arms trafficking and nuclear security. John Kerry is also the former Chairman of the Subcommittee on Terrorism, Narcotics and International Operations and conducted several high profile Intelligence and International Security investigations. Additionally, Kerry is the author of the 1997 book ‘The New War’ which addressed the challenges of global terrorism and has served on the Foreign Relations Committee for more than eighteen years. One observer of Kerry wrote that, “Kerry plunged himself into the study of international crime and its implications for America.” In fact, the Kerry Commission uncovered the drug smuggling and arms trading in the Oliver North, Iran Contra scandal. “As chairman and then ranking Democrat on the Senate subcommittee on terrorism, narcotics, and international operations, John Kerry has been out front in pushing three presidential administrations to take seriously what is going on in the international underworld.” [Cleveland Plain Dealer, 11/6/96, 7/20/97; Boston Globe 6/28/97; The Guardian, 6/19/96]

Kerry Strongly Supports Increased Intelligence Funding – Including $200 Billion in the Previous 7 Years – A 50% Increase Since 1996 – John Kerry, a former member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, has strongly supported recent increases in Intelligence funding, and, in the wake of 9/11, has supported the bipartisan call for an even larger increase in intelligence funding. According to a report issued by the Center for Defense Information entitled “Intelligence Funding and the War on Terror” John Kerry has supported approximately $200 billion in Intelligence funding over the past seven years alone. The report concludes that Kerry has supported a 50% increase in intelligence funding since 1996. Recently, Kerry stressed the need for greater intelligence in order to protect the country from terrorism: "The best single defense we have today, the most important weapon in the war against terrorism, is intelligence, good intelligence. We're way behind the curve in terms of human intelligence-gathering capacity as well as mutual legal-assistance efforts. You've got to know who they are, where they are what their plans are and hit them before they hit you. That's intelligence." [Senate Intelligence Authorization Funding voice votes 9/25/02, 12/13/01, 12/6/00, 11/19/1999, 10/8/98 & 9/25/96; 1997, Senate Roll Call vote # 109; Jewish News Bulletin of Northern California, 4/5/02]

John Kerry is Holding the Bush-Cheney Administration Responsible for Using Flawed Intelligence – John Kerry is working to ensure the Bush-Cheney Administration is held responsible for their use of flawed intelligence leading up to the war in Iraq. Kerry, “was unusually blunt in saying of Bush that ‘he misled every one of us.’ ” Kerry went on to say that, “Bush had relied on at least two flawed pieces of intelligence in pressing for war, including a since-discredited report saying that Iraq had sought uranium from Niger.” John Kerry believes the Bush-Cheney Administration should take responsibility for their mistake and level with the people of the United States: "George W. Bush is responsible for his administration and needs to take responsibility for using flawed intelligence… George W Bush's credibility gap is growing. The president needs to be straight with the American people." [International Herald Tribune, 6/20/03; Scripps Howard News Service, 7/24/03]

John Kerry Worked in the Senate to Support CIA-Trained; Vietnam War Veterans – Kerry worked in the Senate to include funding for CIA-trained commandos during the Vietnam War. Kerry’s bipartisan legislation was offered in order to “reimburse these commandos for their years of incarceration in North Vietnamese prisons…the United States, through the CIA and later the Defense Department, provided training and funding including salaries, allowances, bonuses and death benefits. Together, U.S. and South Vietnamese officials determined where and when the commandos, organized into teams, would be inserted into North Vietnam. Many were dropped by parachute but some were sent in by sea or over land. Some also conducted counterintelligence activities against North Vietnam from Laos.” [104th Congress, S.Amdt. 4055 & S.Amdt. 4451; Federal Document Clearing House – Kerry Testimony to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, 6/19/96]

John Kerry’s Support for Increased Intelligence Funding:

FY03 Intel Authorization $39.3-$41.3 Billion* [2002, Unanimous Senate Voice Vote 9/25/02]

FY02 Intel Authorization $33 Billion* [2001, Unanimous Senate Voice Vote 12/13/01]

FY01 Intel Authorization $29.5-$31.5 Billion* [2000, Unanimous Senate Voice Vote 12/6/00]

FY00 Intel Authorization $29-$30 Billion* [1999, Unanimous Senate Voice Vote 11/19/1999]

FY99 Intel Authorization $29.0 Billion* [1998, Unanimous Senate Voice Vote 10/8/98]

FY98 Intel Authorization $26.7 Billion* [1997, Senate Roll Call Vote #109]

FY97 Intel Authorization $26.6 Billion* [1996, Unanimous Senate Voice Vote 9/25/96]

* [Authorization levels are classified. Levels are an estimate based upon the Center for Defense Information Terrorism Project, Intelligence Funding and the War on Terror, http://www.cdi.org/terrorism/intel-funding.cfm]

John Kerry: On the Record for National Security and Intelligence

Kerry: “Most Important Weapon in War on Terror” is “Intelligence” - "The best single defense we have today, the most important weapon in the war against terrorism, is intelligence, good intelligence. We're way behind the curve in terms of human intelligence-gathering capacity as well as mutual legal-assistance efforts. You've got to know who they are, where they are what their plans are and hit them before they hit you. That's intelligence." [Jewish News Bulletin of Northern California, 4/5/02]

John Kerry Has “Strong National Security Credentials” – [Wall Street Journal 9/5/02]

John Kerry Wants the Bush Cheney Administration to “Be Straight with the American People” About Flawed Intelligence - "George W. Bush is responsible for his administration and needs to take responsibility for using flawed intelligence…George W Bush's credibility gap is growing. The president needs to be straight with the American people." [Scripps Howard News Service, 7/24/03]

Kerry’s National Security Credentials “Give Him Credibility in Age of Terrorism” – “John Kerry is a Vietnam War hero with the national-security credentials that give him credibility in the age of terrorism.” [USA Today, 7/18/03, Shapiro]

“Kerry Says Credibility of Bush, Agencies at Stake Over Weapons” [Des Moines Register, 5/31/03]

Kerry’s “Military Record Gives Him Latitude to Criticize Bush's Stewardship of the War on Terrorism” [Thomma, Knight Ridder Tribune 1/13/03]

John Kerry Calls for Greater Intelligence Effort Across the Globe – “Kerry believes the United States is sorely lacking in intelligence efforts in ‘many of the parts of the world where we're threatened.’ He traveled to several of these sites in the Mideast recently in a little-publicized fact-finding trip.” [Jewish News Bulletin of Northern California, 4/5/02]

Ustwo · 02-01-2004, 06:42 PM

If is on John Kerry's web site, how could anyone dispute it or its intent?

Sparhawk · 02-01-2004, 07:45 PM

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Originally posted by Ustwo
If is on John Kerry's web site, how could anyone dispute it or its intent?

Dispute it all you want, but the intent is clear: rebut the republican attack dogs. It's also a nice change of pace, what with providing sources and quotes.

Lebell · 02-01-2004, 08:28 PM

I read it and several times the responder dodges the charge by saying, look what Kerry did vote for.

01-30-2004, 04:01 PM	#45 (permalink)
Mondak Industrialist Location: Southern California	mml - I am super glad you did not get all pissed at me for saying I did not agree with Kerry that much. I was afraid of starting a flame war with some folks who don't understand civil conversation. Just because I don't agree with his politics does not mean he (or you for that matter) is a bad guy. It also does not mean that I should not look deeper into what he has to say. I mean if people think he is a decent guy, then I owe it to myself to at least find out why . . . right or wrong in my eyes. I noticed your new avatar. good for you. As I mentioned in another thread, it has been a long time since I followed someone I believed in rather than the "lesser of two evils". Glad you found someone you liked enough. If you ever want to expand on why you like this fellow in paticular vs. some of the other dems, I would love to hear it. I can assume that we would find common ground over some brews that our current leadership lacks some things. . . __________________ All truth passes through three stages: First it is ridiculed Second, it is violently opposed and Third, it is accepted as self-evident. ARTHUR SCHOPENHAUER (1788-1860)

02-01-2004, 06:42 PM	#48 (permalink)
Ustwo Pissing in the cornflakes	If is on John Kerry's web site, how could anyone dispute it or its intent? __________________ Agents of the enemies who hold office in our own government, who attempt to eliminate our "freedoms" and our "right to know" are posting among us, I fear.....on this very forum. - host Obama - Know a Man by the friends he keeps.

02-01-2004, 08:28 PM	#50 (permalink)
Lebell Cracking the Whip Location: Sexymama's arms...	I read it and several times the responder dodges the charge by saying, look what Kerry did vote for. __________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." – C. S. Lewis The ONLY sponsors we have are YOU! Please Donate!

01-29-2004, 07:33 PM	#43 (permalink)
Superbelt This vexes me. I am terribly vexed. Location: Grantville, Pa	Additionally, his ex-Wife's Depression was starting to pull Kerry down with her. They would be at social or political functions, Kerry would speak a little and his wife would quip in with harsh and nasty criticisms that would thoroughly embarass him. It's all documented in her book. Example after example of the many things that her depression did to drive Kerry away from her. Do I like that he divorced her over that? No, it isn't something I would do or approve of. It was 22 years ago though. And people aren't perfect. Presidential History is full of flawed men. Lord knows Clinton and Bush have their character flaws.

01-30-2004, 10:14 PM	#46 (permalink)
hammer4all Insane	Here is Kerry on the issues: http://www.issues2000.org/John_Kerry.htm Here is a profile of the younger Kerry: http://www.democracynow.org/article..../01/28/1623208 http://www.democracynow.org/article..../01/29/1549203 Kerry, along with Bush, is also a member of Yale's now infamous secret society: Skull & Bones... http://www.democracynow.org/article....=thread&tid=25