Al Qaida commander 'anticipates' 100,000 Americans dead in attack - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

JBX · 11-13-2003, 04:36 PM

I really fucking hate these guys. If they even come close to pulling this off, it will be the end of their pre-historic religion.
Linky

Quote:

Al Qaida commander 'anticipates' 100,000 Americans dead in attack

Special to World Tribune.com
MIDDLE EAST MEDIA RESEARCH INSTITUTE
Thursday, November 13, 2003
Al-Qal'a (The Fortress) an Islamist Internet forum, posted the first of a two-part interview with a person who introduced himself as Abu Salma Al-Hijazi, one of the Al Qaida commanders closest to Osama bin Laden.(1) The interview was conducted in Iraq, south of Faluja. The article notes that Al-Hijazi was surrounded by five masked men carrying missiles as well as personal weapons. The following are excerpts from the interview:

In regard to rumors about a large-scale attack against the U.S. during the month of Ramadan, Al-Hijazi said that "a huge and very courageous strike" will take place and that the number of infidels expected to be killed in this attack, according to primary estimates, exceeds 100,000. He added that he "anticipates, but will not swear, that the attack will happen during Ramadan."

He further stated that the attack will be carried out in a way that will "amaze the world and turn Al Qaida into [an organization that] horrifies the world until the law of Allah is implemented, actually implemented, and not just in words, on His land... You wait and see that the balance of power between Al Qaida and its rivals will change, all of a sudden, Allah willing."

Regarding Al Qaida detainees, Al-Hijazi said: "We follow their situation closely... the collaborating governments will pay the price for capturing these heroes who want to revive the glory of their nation and shake off the dust of humiliation and disgrace."
Al-Hijazi added that the "collaborating and treacherous" governments should know that Al Qaida has a long reach and its members enjoy popularity that will not end just because apostate governments detain hundreds of Al Qaida's members. "As soon as the governments detain one of our people, ten like him join us... this is no secret."

Al-Hijazi said that Al Qaida instructed its members not to confront the governments of Islamic countries and clarified that Americans are the main target of the organization, wherever they may be, in order to cause their disintegration and collapse, even if it takes a long time. "We are patient," he added, "our patience will only end with the collapse of America and its agents."

Al-Hijazi also said: "There is no doubt that the demise of America and its collapse will lead to the collapse of these fragile regimes that depend on it... We will not stop until we establish the Islamic Caliphate and until Allah's law is implemented in His land."

When asked about the recent bombing in Riyadh, Al-Hijazi referred to Saudi media reports — which claimed that in the attack Muslim women and children were killed — as "merely media deceit." He added: "This place was under surveillance for many months. Following a thorough investigation, it became perfectly clear to us that the people living there were at least 300 Americans and a large group of Lebanese Christians who had tortured Muslims there, in Lebanon, during the civil war. After consultation, we decided it was appropriate to attack this place and destroy it, including the people who lived there, because it housed Americans and a large majority of Christians holding Lebanese citizenship.

"Since the Saudi government is aware of the sensitivity of this place and that it is a declared target for Al Qaida, it surrounded it with very heavy security. However, we gave our people in Riyadh a green light to destroy it on top of those inside. Allah facilitated breaking into the place and bombing the part in which mostly Americans stayed. As a result, praise Allah, at least 40 Americans were killed, as well as 27 Christians from Lebanon, and a group of citizens who were Muslim; also, at least 70 Americans were injured, as well as more than 30 citizens of other countries, most of them Christians from Lebanon."

According to Al-Hijazi, a Saudi religious scholar who is wanted by Saudi authorities will claim responsibility in a televised communiqué for the bombing "and for other operations to come." He added that the wills of the attackers will be published, apparently, in the month of Shawwal — the month following Ramadan according to the Muslim calendar - when Al Qaida's main website, Al-Nida, is due to be reactivated.

spived2 · 11-13-2003, 04:51 PM

Fuck I really really really hope that this is all a bluff. It sounds like they intend to use gas, which really would be a hellacious way to kill us. I kinda wish I hadn't read this at all...

Peetster · 11-14-2003, 06:19 PM

It's propaganda, similar to the party line put out by Baghdad Bob as tanks rolled into his fair city. "There are no Americans, millions will die at the hand of Allah, there is no spoon, etc." Terrorists spout this stuff constantly.

The source is also highly suspect. See the following partial excerpt.
Link to entire article

Quote:

MEMRI Gains a Foothold

By Delinda C. Hanley

wrmea.com, 11/14/03

Still another shocking development, first reported by IslamOnline.net, is causing consternation in Iraq. Israel opened a "center for Middle Eastern studies" in a heavily guarded building on Baghdad's Abu Nawaas Street. The center is affiliated with the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI). Some of MEMRI's cofounders have worked in Israeli military intelligence.

MEMRI translates inflammatory newspaper articles it finds in the Arab press into Hebrew, English, German, French and Italian and circulates them to subscribers. According to Brian Whitaker in his Guardian article "Selective MEMRI" (reprinted in the Nov. 2002 Washington Report, p. 22), "The stories selected by MEMRI for translation follow a familiar pattern: either they reflect badly on the character of Arabs or they in some way further the political agenda of Israel."

nirol · 11-14-2003, 06:45 PM

These guys are a riot. The hyperbole increases along with their desparation.
There is an old British saying: "Kill them all, let God sort it out."

Conclamo Ludus · 11-14-2003, 06:46 PM

I'm not going to lose sleep over this. I agree with Peetster, I think that this is just more of their own propaganda. At least I hope...

ARTelevision · 11-14-2003, 08:11 PM

In any event it is always helpful to gather information on the nature of the enemy and of the sources and methods of dissemination of propaganda.

Sun Tzu · 11-14-2003, 08:48 PM

THis article inspired me to construct a response to send back to them this is what I came up with:

The devil made me do it. Im all better now.

MSD · 11-14-2003, 08:54 PM

"As soon as the governments detain one of our people, ten like him join us... this is no secret."

That is one pathetic, deluded guy.

eple · 11-15-2003, 01:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sun Tzu
THis article inspired me to construct a response to send back to them this is what I came up with:

Yes let us by all means kill millions of muslims because of the actions of a few terrorist groups.

Dilbert1234567 · 11-15-2003, 01:56 AM

not that i suport anythign that they stand for, to call them a prehistoric religion shows ignorance, that is why they hate us, becuase we dont know what isgoing on. islam started around 500 AD it is not prehistoric in the slightest.

bparker805 · 11-15-2003, 02:58 AM

That some scary shit but SUN TZU's picture is killing me!

Sun Tzu · 11-15-2003, 03:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by eple
Yes let us by all means kill millions of muslims because of the actions of a few terrorist groups.

No give them a 20 minute warning, that’s more than any of their targets, will ever get.

In seriousness I don’t advocate killing the world's Muslim population. What I do see is this: Saudi Arabia in general disliking the US. Sadly I see a line being drawn in the sand. IMO the Arab countries that are "helping" in the fight against terrorism are doing a dog and pony show for the time being. I have doubts that if things escalated globally; few if any of the Middle East (ex Israel) would be fighting on our side. This could include an attack on Israel to which the US would become involved. I don’t see the Arab countries that are cooperating are exactly happy about it. Which again IMO means they are buying time and waiting.

I not saying which direction is right or wrong as far as reasons for anyone’s actions that could turn into a frictional debate, what I will say is this: there are two ideals sparring on the battlefield Earth. Other powers are sitting in the shadows watching events unfold. Its said were at war; a new kind of war while that may be true it seems to me that sadly the only way things are going to be solved ( or destroyed) is with a major conventional conflict.

As far as my reply card to them: of the millions of Muslims that you’re referring to what percentage of them do you think would protect Osama if they could? How many do you think would turn him in because of their love and devotion to the US? Why hasn’t he been turned in?

I had this idea that a "bluff ?" be created that if another 9/11 happened we would give the appropriate parties notification that they need to clear out of Mecca now because that’s our first retaliation strike. Knowing the consequences perhaps not so many would be keen on helping Osama.

Of course it’s a dumb idea, just like it’s a dumb picture I made; but so is killing 100,000 innocent people.

eple · 11-15-2003, 03:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sun Tzu
No give them a 20 minute warning, thats more than any of their targets will ever get.

My point may have been that among the millions of people gathered in Mecca, only a vast minority are crazy terrorist people. Stop trolling plz.

Sun Tzu · 11-15-2003, 03:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by eple
My point may have been that among the millions of people gathered in Mecca, only a vast minority are crazy terrorist people. Stop trolling plz.

I got your point it was simplistic, straightforward, and a little cliché'

What does trolling mean, could you define? Please don’t let it be something you may be guilty of in another person's interpretation from a simple search on all of your past posts.

I do keep in mind that everyone has an opinion, there’s allot in the past that I could have probably labeled, but being that I’m not one to stand above and judge I kept myself in check.

Sun Tzu · 11-15-2003, 04:04 AM

Trolling: looked it up. www.urban75.com/Mag/troll.html

Well I guess that’s a matter of perspective right? I’m not sorry to say that I don’t spend hours hunched over my PC doing my best to get TFP worked up. That Photoshop image took me 10 minutes and as is everything else I post here is; an opinion. I agree with others and disagree. I’m probably wrong about allot of things and I’ve done a few open apologies to everyone when I saw they were warranted. Usually from topics that I have allot of passion about and got a little worked up over. When I did so I knew I was wrong and didn’t hesitate in saying so. One thing that pisses me off though and fits I thought trolling was when took their posts to a personal level with fellow posters--that was obviously wrong, but something that can be annoying. When someone has the notion and choice to cast a label on me I'll assume they have a wealth of valid and sought after knowledge. If that person is truly enlightened enough to cast that form of judgment I have to assume they have allot to teach so I apologize if I offended you with my image; I will be looking forward to and reading with great detail everything you have to say about everything you have to talk about. Thank you for pointing out my level of global awareness, I’m indebted to you.

eple · 11-15-2003, 04:07 AM

his whole post is wrong on so many levels....

You are advocating a religoius war, a war on Islam. Bombing Mecca has nothing to do with preventing terror.

Quote:

Its said were at war; a new kind of war while that may be true it seems to me that sadly the only way things are going to be solved ( or destroyed) is with a major conventional conflict.

Didn't people say the exact same things about the war on communism during the cold war?

Quote:

I had this idea that a "bluff ?" be created that if another 9/11 happened we would give the appropriate parties notification that they need to clear out of Mecca now because that?s our first retaliation strike. Knowing the consequences perhaps not so many would be keen on helping Osama.

You are moving into dangerous territory: religious war. Go ahead, fight terror, but don't start messing with places sacred to hundreds of millions of people. Also, stop talking about terrorists, Muslims in general and citizens of ME countries as one gruop.

Quote:

As far as my reply card to them: of the millions of Muslims that you?re referring to what percentage of them do you think would protect Osama if they could? How many do you think would turn him in because of their love and devotion to the US? Why hasn?t he been turned in?

So ever muslim knows the location of Osama, but they won't turn him in because they wub him?

eple · 11-15-2003, 04:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sun Tzu
blahblahblah massive "I didn't troll"-derail

Sure sure, i am sorry, I'll withdraw it. Please stay on topic.

Sun Tzu · 11-15-2003, 04:23 AM

That’s your interpretation of what I’m saying—understand? Even if that were what I was viewing in my interpretation of world events it doesn’t mean I agree with them.

1. This is a semi religious war; explain how it isn’t.

2. Why did you include the sentence after that one?

3. You’re right of course the threat of having Mecca bombed would not deflect any terrorist attacks. Could you please share what your ideas are?

4. I definitely will be reading all of your posts with a black and white interpretation. It will be refreshing to read someone that communicates in that manner. Let me rephrase that: no I don’t think all Muslims know where Osama is at. That would mean a Palestinian friend of mine has been keeping a huge secret. Im on listening mode now so comment how you will you've made your point no use it taking up anymore space outside of what this thread was created for.

eple · 11-15-2003, 04:35 AM

Quote:

1. This is a semi religious war; explain how it isn?t.

You are changing the subject. I never said this isn't a SEMI-religious war. It might be, beacuse many of the terrorists have been using religion to justify their actions. The point is that Us educated western separating-politics-and-religon people should be able to spot the difference between a member of Al-Quida and the average muslim. It is our responsibility to stop this from becoming a war between religions.

Quote:

3. You?re right of course the threat of having Mecca bombed would not deflect any terrorist attacks. Could you please share what your ideas are?

My ideas on what? My ideas on stopping Al-Quidas supposed 100 000-people-dead-scheme? Being an 18 year old Norwegian, I don't really have the strongest grasp on the details of terror-prevention in the USA, but I guess trying to stop Israel from building walls and killing kids and somehow get through with operation Iraqi oil without creating too much more hate might be some pretty general actions that might help. Pretty gullible, I know, but probably better than threatening to bomb Mecca.

Quote:

4. I definitely will be reading all of your posts with a black and white interpretation. It will be refreshing to read someone that communicates in that manner. Let me rephrase that: no I don?t think all Muslims know where Osama is at. That would mean a Palestinian friend of mine has been keeping a huge secret.

It's not black and white, I think the problem lies more in the way you express yourself than in the way I interpret your opinions.

Peetster · 11-15-2003, 04:38 AM

OK, We're done with this one.

11-13-2003, 04:51 PM	#2 (permalink)
spived2 Desert Rat Location: Arizona	Fuck I really really really hope that this is all a bluff. It sounds like they intend to use gas, which really would be a hellacious way to kill us. I kinda wish I hadn't read this at all... __________________ "This visage, no mere veneer of vanity, is it vestige of the vox populi, now vacant, vanished, as the once vital voice of the verisimilitude now venerates what they once vilified. However, this valorous visitation of a by-gone vexation, stands vivified, and has vowed to vanquish these venal and virulent vermin vanguarding vice and vouchsafing the violently vicious and voracious violation of volition. The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous. Verily, this vichyssoise of verbiage veers most verbose vis-à-vis an introduction, and so it is my very good honor to meet you and you may call me V." - V

11-14-2003, 06:45 PM	#4 (permalink)
nirol Crazy Location: South East US	These guys are a riot. The hyperbole increases along with their desparation. There is an old British saying: "Kill them all, let God sort it out." __________________ 'Tis better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than open one's mouth and remove all doubt. Samuel Johnson (1709 - 1784)

11-14-2003, 06:46 PM	#5 (permalink)
Conclamo Ludus Modern Man Location: West Michigan	I'm not going to lose sleep over this. I agree with Peetster, I think that this is just more of their own propaganda. At least I hope... __________________ Lord, have mercy on my wicked soul I wouldn't mistreat you baby, for my weight in gold. -Son House, Death Letter Blues

11-14-2003, 08:11 PM	#6 (permalink)
ARTelevision I change Location: USA	In any event it is always helpful to gather information on the nature of the enemy and of the sources and methods of dissemination of propaganda. __________________ create evolution

11-14-2003, 08:48 PM	#7 (permalink)
Sun Tzu Conspiracy Realist Location: The Event Horizon	THis article inspired me to construct a response to send back to them this is what I came up with: The devil made me do it. Im all better now. __________________ *To confine our attention to terrestrial matters would be to limit the human spirit.- Stephen Hawking* Last edited by Sun Tzu; 11-15-2003 at 04:29 AM..

11-14-2003, 08:54 PM	#8 (permalink)
MSD The sky calls to us ... Super Moderator Location: CT	"As soon as the governments detain one of our people, ten like him join us... this is no secret." That is one pathetic, deluded guy.

11-15-2003, 01:56 AM	#10 (permalink)
Dilbert1234567 Devils Cabana Boy Location: Central Coast CA	not that i suport anythign that they stand for, to call them a prehistoric religion shows ignorance, that is why they hate us, becuase we dont know what isgoing on. islam started around 500 AD it is not prehistoric in the slightest. __________________ Donate Blood! "Love is not finding the perfect person, but learning to see an imperfect person perfectly." -Sam Keen

11-15-2003, 02:58 AM	#11 (permalink)
bparker805 is KING! Location: On the path to Valhalla.	That some scary shit but SUN TZU's picture is killing me!

11-15-2003, 04:04 AM	#15 (permalink)
Sun Tzu Conspiracy Realist Location: The Event Horizon	Trolling: looked it up. www.urban75.com/Mag/troll.html Well I guess that’s a matter of perspective right? I’m not sorry to say that I don’t spend hours hunched over my PC doing my best to get TFP worked up. That Photoshop image took me 10 minutes and as is everything else I post here is; an opinion. I agree with others and disagree. I’m probably wrong about allot of things and I’ve done a few open apologies to everyone when I saw they were warranted. Usually from topics that I have allot of passion about and got a little worked up over. When I did so I knew I was wrong and didn’t hesitate in saying so. One thing that pisses me off though and fits I thought trolling was when took their posts to a personal level with fellow posters--that was obviously wrong, but something that can be annoying. When someone has the notion and choice to cast a label on me I'll assume they have a wealth of valid and sought after knowledge. If that person is truly enlightened enough to cast that form of judgment I have to assume they have allot to teach so I apologize if I offended you with my image; I will be looking forward to and reading with great detail everything you have to say about everything you have to talk about. Thank you for pointing out my level of global awareness, I’m indebted to you. __________________ *To confine our attention to terrestrial matters would be to limit the human spirit.- Stephen Hawking* Last edited by Sun Tzu; 11-15-2003 at 04:12 AM..

11-15-2003, 04:23 AM	#18 (permalink)
Sun Tzu Conspiracy Realist Location: The Event Horizon	That’s your interpretation of what I’m saying—understand? Even if that were what I was viewing in my interpretation of world events it doesn’t mean I agree with them. 1. This is a semi religious war; explain how it isn’t. 2. Why did you include the sentence after that one? 3. You’re right of course the threat of having Mecca bombed would not deflect any terrorist attacks. Could you please share what your ideas are? 4. I definitely will be reading all of your posts with a black and white interpretation. It will be refreshing to read someone that communicates in that manner. Let me rephrase that: no I don’t think all Muslims know where Osama is at. That would mean a Palestinian friend of mine has been keeping a huge secret. Im on listening mode now so comment how you will you've made your point no use it taking up anymore space outside of what this thread was created for. __________________ *To confine our attention to terrestrial matters would be to limit the human spirit.- Stephen Hawking* Last edited by Sun Tzu; 11-15-2003 at 04:30 AM..

11-15-2003, 04:38 AM	#20 (permalink)
Peetster Right Now Location: Home	OK, We're done with this one.