Food Eater Lad

To which I reply, "Where the hell have you been hiding?"

You don't call the rise of Islamofacism substantial? These people want you to shred the constitution and convert to their religion to live under islamic law or DIE.

That's pretty damned substantial, in my humble opinion.

As for where we lead them. Hmmm... Perhaps I can suggest a little light reading? Start with the Declaration. See how we applied it in the Constitution. For a bit of backround, you might try reading the Federalist Papers.

If after absorbing that you can't figure out where we should be leading the world, then I suggest you look for another line of work.

Mojo_PeiPei

Wesley is a joke and he has basically dropped out of the scene as far as front running dems go.

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gabshu

Strongly disagree, I think he's one of the candidates at the front but that's just my opinion.

As to him making stupid comments, not to make this an excuse but every candidate and Bush himself make stupid remarks. I think that they just try to say something that is so confusing and makes so little sense that people will nod and think that they are smart for saying such things.

I really think it would be an improvement for politics all over the world if people would talk more clearly, because frankly I had to read that one a couple of time before it made sense.

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filtherton

What is the point of this thread? Is it a "lets debate whether wesley clark is a moron" thread? Because that seems rather trollish.
Maybe we could start a thread and quote all of the nonsensical things bush or clinton said and then just argue back and forth about who is the bigger moron, all the while proving that it is we who are the biggest morons.

reconmike

I read this interview in Maxim magazine, he seems like a very bright guy, if a dem wins in '04 please let it be clark.

I would not mind having a former general as the commander in chief.

I might even vote for him in the primary....

Thats right I am a registered dem.

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Sparhawk

I'd like to see the context before I submit judgement on what appears to be a rhetorical question he was probably about to answer himself.

And if I don't get it, then I'll just start posting Bushisms...

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dragon2fire

he is more then a bright guy he is a genius


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o yea and he is a gernal

Macheath

I dunno, maybe if he'd said "Today there is no substantial challenge to American security." I'd agree that it was wrong - but I don't see Islamic fundamentalism as a challenge to American (let's say classical liberalism for arguments sake) ideals in the same way that things like Communism and fascism were.

It's not even in the same ideological ballpark. Osama is far from being some Lenin figure enticing the kids of america to a specific set of ideals. (aside from the occasional JW Lind nutjob). No American ideals are challenged if nobody in America is tempted to follow the alternative set of ideals. So it's NOT a stupid remark.

Islamofascism seems to be much more just a reactionary medieval throwback and a "spolier" ideology set up in opposition to the far more ideologically interesting secular pan-Arabism/Arab Nationalism.

Oh c'mon. He's not saying he has no clue or interest in leading mankind. That's an absurd interpretation. It's a mildly inspiring RHETORICAL QUESTION - like this one:

"Oh God, Kennedy's asking US if he can forge this alliance. He doesn't know if he can do it or not, I can't believe it. He's uncertain about the future and therefore incompetent. He should look for another line of work."

Food Eater Lad

One who wanted to fire on allied troops while in Kosovo.

Food Eater Lad

The purpose of this thread is to allow readers to see that the top Democratic canditate fails to see the most present danger to Americans in the new centery thus far. Islamofacism IS the new communism, and has already killed 3000 Americans, disrupted our economy, and unless taken seriously, as Clark clearly doesnt as evidenced by his comments, will be just as bad as communism was.

Zeld2.0

Geez you sure can pick a bone with everything thats not in your political ballpark.

Seriously though, I think Clark can do a fine job, and as Macheath posted, its most likely a rhetorical question meant to inspire.

And yes, every politician says things that sound stupid regardless.

Food Eater Lad

Pick a bone? Excuse me if I think failure to recongise the greatest threat to American lives as a big deal for a potential American President.

Zeld2.0

Thats your perception, as others have pointed out above, its not necessarily the same perception or the same thing he's trying to get at here.

I don't see why any form of arguing is needed here if its simply your perception, and not his.

Mephisto2

Islamofascism?!!

Sheesh...

Let me guess? You watch Fox News a lot?


Mr Mephisto

seretogis

Uh. You have to question anyone that doesn't take this testimonial seriously.

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ROFL

Food Eater Lad

Yes, you know, those guys that killed 3000 Americans in New York a few years ago? Those same guys that took over a nation and beheaded and tortured anyone that did not conform to their belief system. The same ones that would have no problem with killing YOU if they could. Those Islamofascists.

eple

That word sounds like some villains from a cartoon, makes me giggle. Now I don't like oppressing Nations building their beliefes on Islam either, but there are a good, much shorter and less cartoonish word for them already: Fanatics. The use of the word facism just seems misplaced. Killing people isn't all it takes to be labelled fascists. Fascism is an ideology of its own. Saddam based his power off a secular communist party, was he an islamocommunist? Did Khomeini create a corporate state? Religious dictatorships, fanatics. Those terms are more than good enough.

filtherton

Why isn't clark talking about what will happen when the islamofascists team up with the feminazis and the Z.O.G.?

Terrorism is the greatest threat to american lives? I think not. Terrorism is only the most dramatic threat to the living. Smoking cigarettes is a greater threat to american life than OBL and his rough and tumble gang of misfits. According to imentalhealth.com 440,000 deaths are linked to the use of tobacco products annually. Considering estimates of the hiroshima death toll range between 42,000 and 130,000 it would take at least three or four equivalent size nuclear bombs being detonated in major metropolitan areas to equal the amount of people who are killed from cigarette smoke each year. Your "islamotastical" friends would have to have a pretty productive year to pull in numbers like that.

Do you honestly think that clark is whimisical and uncaring about terrorism? From 3 rhetorical sentences you can divine that clark doesn't recognize the importance of efforts to protect americans from terrorism? Yowsers! Maybe you should be a political analyst for cnn.

Conclamo Ludus

Cigarettes are a secret islamofascist communist weapon. So are SUV's and PCB's and fires in California.

Alright in all seriousness I agree with Mac Heath on this one. Islamic fundamentalism isn't quite the same as communism et al. It is a threat to our security maybe, but not a threat to our ideals. I don't see the majority of muslims jumping over to being fanatics. I used to be impressed with Wesley Clark until he decided to run. Its been one disappointment after another the way he has flip-flopped on things. He may still have a better run than some of the others.

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mml

Everything I wanted to say has been said, but I just had to weigh in on the "Islamofafascists". FEL, this is simply the dumbest, made up, political/propaganda term I have heard in quite a while. Thanks for the laugh.

NOTE: Using made up words seriously weakens your arguement.

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Food Eater Lad

They are muslim, and they are facists, hence islamofacists. Dont like the term, cool, but they still want you dead.

Kadath

I guess I'm just a Christopacifist, or something. Don't like the term, cool, but I still don't want to kill you.

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Moskie

Wooo boy some funny things have been said in this thread. And for the record, I guess I'm agnostobertarian.

Anyway, my addition to the thread: I also don't interpret terrorism ("islamofacism?"...*blech*) to be a great threat to American ideals or whatever. But I think the reverse might be true. Terrorist organisations probably feel that American ideals are threatening (hm... infringing might be a better word) certain "islamofacist" countries. Goddamit, I can't think of a different word to use besides "islamofacist" now. So anyway, my point is that this can be tossed in as one of the many reasons why terrorism is what it is today.

Just some food for thought...

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eple

We need to put more loaded words in here. What about "Islamocommienazifascist" or "paedophilerapisthitlerjugendmuslims"?

Conclamo Ludus

I like that last one but we should come up with a buzzword shortened version of it too. I like "paedo-lims". I'm sure it will test well with the focus groups.

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Ustwo

Actually Islamofascist isn't a bad description. Its a fascist like government run under the guise of Islamic law.

It also sounds 100% better then Fascousslim.

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Moskie

But the fact that they are islamic is irrelevant.

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eple

I guess the word Fascist being used is a bit strange too. Although many Islamic countries are led by dictators, they aren't really fascists. It takes more then lack of democratic strucutre to be fascist. The only reason the word fascist is added, is that it adds dramatic effect (omg fascist).

eple

On the pre-islamofascistnazi-topic:


OMG he presented an interesting question regarding the future of American foreign policy. MORAN!

Tman144

Why does everybody think 3000 is a lot of people? On the list of things that can kill you, the one that kills only a few thousand in the past decade seems to be pretty low. Just because your argument is weak, don't make up words.

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Conclamo Ludus

3000 is about 3000 too many from an unprovoked terrorist attack. I don't think its the number as much as the event that has more significance for people. The outrage would be the same if it was 4000 or 5000 or 2000.

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Ustwo

While I basicly agree with you, they still fit the book definition nicely.

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eple

probably, but don't tell me this is anything but another partisan play on loaded words.

Food Eater Lad

So its our fault for having a successful culture that they are trying to kill us?

Food Eater Lad

Thats correct cause the Hindofacists have made so many terrorist attacks agains us, as did the Buddofacists.

eple

Hehehe, yes they want to kill you to steal your Big Macks and make their own hollywood films. The supposed hate agains the US is solely based on envy. I think you just summed up the entire situation.

Food Eater Lad

Yes you are correct, 3000 murdered for the crime of going to work is no big deal. Lets just hug those misunderstood killers and see why they are so angry, I mean gosh darn it, we must have done something to deserve it, right?

Food Eater Lad

No they want to kill us cause we wont conform to their idea of religon and way of life. They are within their rights to hate us, even to wish us dead, but when they plot to kill Americans, Americans have the right to wipe them out. Just as if they plotted to kill Norwegiens, you guys can defend your self.