docbungle

I agree with Seretogis, exept I don't think Depp is moronic. Being different than you does not make him moronic. Having a different viewpoint than others does not make him moronic. Hating someone or calling them retarded for speaking their mind is somewhat moronic, imo.

That his statements were on display for the public to view needs to be taken into consideration when criticising him. If half the statements we ourselves make on a daily basis, as humans, were revealed to the general public, imagine the hatred that would begin spewing in our direction. Of course, said hatred would originate in the minds of individuals who don't take the time to think before they lash out at something different. Individuals who are too blind to see that they, themselves, make controversial comments every single day of their lives, without even realizing it, because it is said amongst freinds, who usually all agree with them.

By being true to ourselves, and taking a moment to think before we act, and respecting others right to be as free as we ourselves are, the hatred over issues like this would never even begin.

No one likes judgemental people, yet we are all so quick to judge. Every last one of us.

That is the problem. Not Jonny Depp.

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Silvy

I'm not saying the French are holy (though they would think so )
I'm saying that the changing of "e-mail" has a at least some 'pure-language' background. In addition: you give the impression that the French have been doing that for a long time. (my knowledge of French is minimal). So there was probably no special occasion that started it. Whereas the 'freedom' issue occured over a single disagreement in foreign policy.
The second 'email' comment made by Jcl, however negates the need for my 'rant' (sorry about that). So I'm leaving the discussion at that.

A side note: In US french classes do you get European-french or Canadian-french? Because the Canadian-french is seriously ancient compared to Eurpopean-french as the french-canadians are language purists like no-one else.
(the reason I'm asking is that "Spanish" classes are often "Mexican" classes. And there are some big differences between Spanish and Mexican too.)

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krd913

It does not matter to me if he never comes back I don't know of a good movie he has ever been in.

Cowman

How about Blow, Edward Scissorhands, Sleepy Hollow, Fear and Loathing in Los Vegas, and the up-coming Once Upon a time in Mexico?

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reconmike

A day later and it seems that good ole Johnny is back pedaling a bit.

Johnny's PR people doing damage control here.

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Mojo_PeiPei

Oh, thats cute.

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Double D

So the magazine *Stern,* is an entirely reputable single source for this discussion?
Depp made his feeling of discouragement/disapointment in re: the U.S. known in the magazine *GQ,* that I bought in July of this year. He said all the same stuff, just different phraseology.

Thanks for the quote. If you read several posts above yours, you'll see that it's yesterday's news as well.

rodgerd

That and, you know, the Congress cafeteria, with your reps lining up for photo ops.

splck

Sounds to me more like a clarification rather than back pedaling.
I agree with you calling him "good ole Johnny"...he seems to have a good grasp on your national situation.

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floonine

bah, people get so mad at a person for speaking their opinions, especially if he/she is famous. if he meant it, so what? if he was mis-quoted? that's fine too, who cares? most famous people are idiots, we all know that... no surprise... but when they voice their opinion about something it is because they are using their popularity to an advantage.

any mega star you see that actually wants to make an anti-bush or anti-government message, and actually does so, is taking the chance of losing their jobs. it is more logical for Depp to have been the victim of miscommunication than for him to want to throw his entire career down the proverbial toilet.

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docbungle

Do we?

What, because they're successfull? How are most famous people idiots? Just because you hear a lot of things they say in the press? Let's see everything the average person says printed in the daily paper and see how much "smarter" we all are.

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RaGe2012

For the most part, all I have seen in this thread is exactly what Mr. Depp was talking about in his statement. Where do most of you get your news?....Fox?

For the record, I'd like to say that I love my country. I like being an American. There is a huge difference between loving your country and loving your government. My love for my country stops with my government. It didn't take long working for them to find out the hard way about how bad our government really is.

I happen to agree with Johnny Depp in his opinion. Most Americans are childish slobs who whine about everything and do nothing to help the situation - then the majority points a finger of blame at another country or individual when all they have to blame is themselves.

In fact, our President made it quite clear from the beginning of his "great crusade" that either you are with us or you are against us. If we truely want to promote democracy throughout the world, we should learn to practice it ourselves by letting other nations make their own decisions without fear of retaliation, verbal or otherwise. The second we, as a people, start criticizing others for what we deem as their stupidity, we abandon all that democracy stands for. Everyone has a right to their opinion, no matter how "right" or "wrong" they may be.

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debaser

I agree with every thing you say, more or less, with the exception of this:
Moral relativism is one of the major problems with this country today. There are some opinions that should not be tolerated, and certainly not given equal billing. Believe it or not there is still right and wrong in the world.

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smooth

That may sound like a morally relativistic statement but it could also be taken to mean that, while there is a right and a wrong, we recognize that no one particular world view knows where the line is.

As a liberal democracy built on reason we are supposed to value the ability to discuss opinions and actions and weigh the benefits against the costs without fear of retaliation. Then the population can decide in an informed manner about where the center of the ideas are.

debaser

True, but my point is that one nut-job does not a minority make.

NAMBLA, militant religious groups, doomsday cults. Do these peoples opinions really merit parity?

EDIT: We may not know where the line is, but we surely know on which side of it some things lie.

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Mojo_PeiPei

Only when it suits someones agenda...

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Nizzle

Fair enough. I don't think we she tolerate your opinion, because it chills the notion of free thought. I think it's wrong.

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<b>Top 10 reasons to support celebrities in opposition to war.</b>

10. Two weeks of basic training before filming "Saving Private Ryan" is more military experience than Condoleeza Rice, Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Dick Cheney (5 deferments), Tom Delay & Dennis Hastert combined.

9. Don Rumsfeld went to Iraq while Hussein used our chemical weapons on Iranian soldiers (and civilians along the border) and secured the additional shipments to the Iraqi dictator. Sean Penn visited Iraq, but has only used chemicals on himself.

8. Martin Sheen has been arrested 70 times in his pursuit of peace and social justice. George W. Bush's three documented arrests: drunk driving, theft of a Christmas wreath & football hooliganism.

7. MSNBC (General Electric & Microsoft) canceled Donahue, it's highest-rated show, because it offered alternative views.

6. The Pope, a man of some celebrity and moral authority (and an actor in his youth) is against the war.

5. Brit Hume, Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh are celebrities, not elected officials or diplomats (incidentally, all avoided service in Vietnam) who make their livelihood shilling for war. Garofalo, Damon et al. risk their livelihoods by opposing it.

4. There is no such thing as apolitical art.

3. "Apocalypse Now!" took 5 years to complete and Martin Sheen saw it all the way through, disease, monsoons and all. George W. Bush skipped the last 17 months of his National Guard service in Texas.

2. Are award shows asking pro-war celebrities to keep their remarks "neutral?"

1. It's their First Amendment right!

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Double D

Thanks, Bill O' Rights.
This was an entertaining way to get a valid point across.

stldickie

Let's all remember that Depp is an acter. That means he is used to having his thoughts and comments scripted for him. He is now residing in a stinky weeny of a country, and is spouting their mantra...no surprise! Thanks for the pics of his chick, she is one hot piece of ass

SkanK0r

Sigh, the French bashing gets so old. They don't have air conditioners - for the most part, they don't need them. So when it gets hot, people have nothing. The government could've done more, but the U.S. could've done more to prevent Sept. 11. So stop looking for wounds to stab and drop the nationalist bullshit.

Double D

Thank you Skank0r.
What is the word, enthnocentrism?
Even Canada lagged behind the States in air conditioning by about 10 years.
A few Yanks think the whole rest of the world is just like here. :Sigh:

Marius1

Its only in recent years that Brittish cars have Air Condiontioning as an option.

It will be quite some time before homes do. Rip off Britain means such things are just way too expensive.

Its supply and demand. Its cheap in the US as the profits are spread across higher demand.

Low depend means you have to hike the price up to make a living. Higher the price also means that less places can afford it.

XenuHubbard

I don't know anybody who has airconditioning in Sweden.
Everybody has it in Taiwan.

Ooooh, I guess Sweden is just a poor country with a stupid stupid government.

*snore*

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Charlatan

I don't know why people to continue to waste their time on a) dissing celebrities who have an opinion and b) arguing with idiots that diss celebrities.

In order for a democracy to funtion a myriad of opinions of opinions should be welcome. If you have a problem with what someone has to say, assasinating their character (i.e. Depp is an idiot, etc.) doesn't help. Why not defend your position (as some have done here).

Otherwise just STFU... You aren't adding anything.

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SkanK0r

And where's yours? I didn't know you needed one to comment. Silly me.

almostaugust

He really has a point with the fries thing.

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He should have specified, calling Bush a stupid, aggressive puppy dog, would've been more accurate.

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cowlick

Not actually reading this entire thread...
Isn't stupid and agressive the same thing the movie critics called Johnny's last two movies?

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Conclamo Ludus

Johnny Depp is one of the greatest young american actors. I don't care if I disagree with him. He makes good movies. I don't care if the guy at Krispy Kream thinks I'm a moron, they make good donuts. Who cares.

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DownwardSpiral

I could care less what Depp called America, Johnny Depp kicks ass!

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filtherton

I agree with Depp. America is an aggressive widdle puppy. Apparently very thin-skinned too. And now it seems as if this puppydom has helped us wedge ourselves in between a rock and a hard place in our very own occupied territories.

LewisCouch

Yawn.

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debaser

Did everyone miss the part where he didn't actually say it?

For the love of God, end this thread...

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desdes

Hehe.. more actors taking time between their cocain sessions to put in their two cents.

hunnychile

Johnny Depp has balls. Bravo! We who have traveled the world over revel in those who are American and can openly criticize her without fear of payback from the right. No one said Johnny was a political genious, but I bet he'd still do a better job for us than old "Shrub" and Company (i.e. Enron, haliburton and all the Oil and energy companies) have done for us. We need to remove the Republicans on every level of government and fast or else life as you and I know it will be a thing of the past. They own the media. All the slants therein and funny how so many radical and true soundbites "bite the dust" and fats.
How long before they crush wonderful sites such as TFP for some lame excuse or whatever? Let's enjoy these people who aren't afraid of the truth.

Seen "Bowling for Columbine" yet......see?

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josobot

I saw Johnny Depp on either Letterman or Leno...someone tell him he's not Jim Morrison in France and that France has no business being on the Security Council, nor in giving advice on anything more complicated than cooking.

BigGov

Except that's "documentary" is a piece of crap.

http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html