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View Poll Results: Vote For California Governor Now. | |||
Cruz Bustamante "D" | 27 | 28.42% | |
Arnold Schwarzenegger "R" | 41 | 43.16% | |
Larry Flynt "U" | 8 | 8.42% | |
Tom McClintock "R" | 5 | 5.26% | |
Arianna Huffington "I" | 4 | 4.21% | |
Peter Ueberroth "R" | 3 | 3.16% | |
Peter Camejo "Green" | 6 | 6.32% | |
Audie Bock "D" | 1 | 1.05% | |
Voters: 95. You may not vote on this poll |
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09-02-2003, 01:59 PM | #1 (permalink) |
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Vote For Governor Now!
Let's see how the TFP'ers rate compared to the October 7th Gubernatorial elections in California:
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09-02-2003, 02:55 PM | #3 (permalink) |
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Yo Dood. Bustamente is a racist pile of shit.
I think all of them suck....... If forced to pick I'll take the Terminator. |
09-02-2003, 03:10 PM | #4 (permalink) |
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Go U!
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09-02-2003, 03:37 PM | #5 (permalink) | |
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If you'd like, I'll happily post pointers to the debunking of your so-called evidence of racism. But your argument is not only specious, it is also tremendously hypocritical. And that, as they say, is that.
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09-02-2003, 03:50 PM | #7 (permalink) |
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I don't(thank god) live in California, but my vote would be no on recall - yes for Bustamante, and let's be real - what either of the two major candidates did in the mid 1970's should really have no bearing on the current election. It seems simple to me that in this time of crisis in California, turning the reins over to someone who has ZERO experience may not be the brightest idea. Arnold may actually be a decent governor, it is just not the time for Califorinia to gamble.
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09-02-2003, 04:02 PM | #9 (permalink) | |
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09-02-2003, 04:10 PM | #10 (permalink) |
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...I thought about adding Gray Davis to the poll, but being unable to make the poll two parts, made the assumption that part one happened and Davis was recalled.
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09-02-2003, 04:23 PM | #11 (permalink) |
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I dont think this election is about which candidate wins, rather on which party wins.
As a liberal, I would have to support the democratic party, regardless of the candidate.
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09-02-2003, 04:33 PM | #12 (permalink) | |
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09-02-2003, 04:59 PM | #13 (permalink) | |
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09-02-2003, 06:16 PM | #15 (permalink) |
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Raises hand for Arianna and for actually being a Californian who can vote in this election.
here's some info on her past: http://alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=16695 I do have to do some searching, however, because I think Bustamante came from a working past.
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Maybe now you see my point. You reacted to my post precisely the way I thought you would, and in so doing exposed the hypocrisy of your stance. I'm still waiting for any real evidence to support your claim that Cruz Bustamante is a racist. Meanwhile, I'd love to know why you, a drug-free person, choose to support someone who has bragged about using hashish and other drugs.
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09-02-2003, 07:09 PM | #20 (permalink) | |
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This election is not candidate centered (Arnold hasnt readily come out and declared his platform). It's a fight over which party gets to keep the governor's office.
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09-02-2003, 07:16 PM | #21 (permalink) | |
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I love how people get all pissed off about what I have to say. Obviously you haven't read everything about Bustamante. You gave me no evidence that he isn't a part of the group that was in the article I posted. I don't take back what I said about the Middle East. It's not an issue about race. It's about terrorism!!!! So don't even say it's an issue about race. Maybe it is for you, not me. I don't agree with many things that Arnold or any of the other candidates have done. I get pissed when people bash him when most people have done many of the things he has done. BTW, just because someone does drugs doesn't mean that I can't be friends with them. I have many friends who are lazy ass stupid fucking pothead christians. Do you really think that anyone who grew up in the 60's & 70's didn't fuck like rabbits, smoke weed, and take acid? That includes many current politicians.... and weed smoking Clinton. Plus, he was fucking interns while he was the president, and you probably supported him and still do. Arnold was a fucking young high bodybuilder and to say that someone is the same person they were 26 years ago is completely crazy. |
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You can read the constitution of MEChA at http://www.brownmecha.org/doc_mnc.html. I note that it makes no mention of exclusion of membership based upon race. As far as MEChA being some sort of hate group or racist organization, one of the leading authorities on that sort of thing is Tolerance, a project of the Southern Poverty Law Center. They don't list MEChA as a racist or hate-mongering organization. A former member of MEChA said, "There were many Mexican gangs in the area, and MEChA counseled to Get an education. Stay away from gangs. Stay away from drugs. Dont drink. Be responsible. Make something of yourself." Now, as far as La Voz de Aztlan, they certainly are a hate organization. All twelve members or so (according to Southern Poverty Law Center) seem to dislike Jews quite strongly. That group had this to say regarding the election: Quote:
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09-02-2003, 08:16 PM | #23 (permalink) |
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I could pull up many more racist things about the group, but it's late and I need to get to bed so I'll keep it simple.
The motto of MEChA: "Por La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada (For the Race, everything. For those outside the Race, nothing)." Just try and tell me that isn't racist. I do want many/all Middle Easterners dead!! I could give a shit less if all of them die. I'll tell you why. If they/any Middle Eastern country had the military power of America they would have blown us to bits a long long time ago. An example needs to be made to change the way things are done. I know my way of dealing with it is extreme, but I don't run things so what I say doesn't really matter now does it? I don't think you get it. I don't support any of these assholes. If I had to vote for one it would be Arnold. The reason I would vote for him is because he is a winner. He succeeds at everything he does. I have stated in many treads, this one included, that I trust no politicians, but as you've been doing, you only see what you want. Bustamante still supports this fucking group. He still is the same fucking racist that he always has been. I'm sure you'll turn your cheek to that also since you have a habit of only seeing what you want. Good night. |
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Remember David Duke? He was the KKK guy who ran for President a while back. A guy named Mike Foster paid Duke quite a bit of money for his mailing lists. He didn't report this to election officials and was fined for it, but that's beside the point. Mike Foster was George W. Bush's campaign manager in Louisiana for the 2000 election. George W. Bush has never repudiated his ties to Foster. This is, by the way, just an example. I also haven't seen Arnold repudiate his father's Nazism. I haven't seen George W. Bush repudiate his father's business ties with those same Nazis. Schwarzenegger has not repudiated his drug use of so many years ago, nor his blatant homophobia. George W. Bush kicked off his South Carolina campaign at Bob Jones University, which is famous for its ban of interracial dating (since revoked). He also laid a wreath at the tomb of Jefferson Davis (I assume you know who he was). Do you have any comment on that? Now, the thing is, Cruz Bustamante is a well-regarded public servant, a moderate Democrat, with 30 years of service under his belt. Not until two weeks ago has anyone ever accused him of being a racist. They are doing so now, now that he has passed Schwarzenegger in the polls. The only thing they have to justify that ludicrous position is his thirty-years-past membership to a group that may or may not have ever espoused the ideal they claim it does. And you yourself said that what happened so long ago is in no way indicative of a man's character now. Did you ever think that this entire episode is nothing more than an attempt to make Bustamante say something negative about an organization that has chapters at 300 colleges and universities around the country, in an attempt to distance him from his base? So now who's got his head in the sand, sixate? You've quoted one article from a blatantly biased source. You've provided no proof of your ridiculous assertions. You can rail about that all you want, but the base fact is that you've been misled by conservatives with an axe to grind. Sorry, dude, and I mean that honestly. I'm very sorry to have to disabuse you of your notions like this, but on this issue, you're wrong.
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09-02-2003, 09:45 PM | #25 (permalink) | |
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09-02-2003, 10:29 PM | #27 (permalink) |
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I voted for Arnold and I will vote for Arnold in this upcoming election.
The Mecha thing aside, I don't have much faith in Bustamante. He was part of this administration thats been failing the state, perhaps its not his fault to any degree but I certainly don't have any great confidence in his record. Idealogically I indentify a good deal with Arnold, who remains liberal on social issues and conservative on fiscal... Sounds good to me. What about Gary Coleman?
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09-02-2003, 11:50 PM | #28 (permalink) |
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I don't know what Arnold's position is on anything, much less fiscal policy. He hasn't said anything and the only thing we know down here has come from either the media or his spokespeople.
I don't understand why he's running as a man of and for the people but he won't come out and talk to us. Arianna is having a free pizza meet and greet tomorrow night. She is very intelligent and actually did pull herself up by the bootstraps. Arnold didn't come over here as a poor immigrant as the media seems to imply. He was a sponsored body builder. Both he and Arianna literally rose to the top on their own merits: "The details of Arianna's young life are not well-documented, but she was born Arianna Stassinopoulos in Greece on July 15, 1950, the elder of two daughters, lived in Athens, and studied comparative religions at age 16 at Shantiniketan University near Calcutta. Her mother, Elli, served in the Greek resistance against the Nazis. But Elli couldn't stomach the then-insurgent Greek Communists either, impressing on Arianna a lifelong mistrust of totalitarian ideologies and urging her to read Greek mythology. Arianna's father, Constantine, edited a resistance newspaper, Paron, was interned in a Nazi concentration camp, and after the war started a raft of publishing enterprises, none of them overly successful. After separating from him, Elli took Arianna, then 16, and her younger sister, Agapi (author of "Conversations with the Goddesses"), to England. Entering Cambridge on a scholarship, Arianna basically took the place by storm with her good looks and blazing intellect. She studied Keynesian economics at Girton College and earned a masters degree, and at 21 forced herself to confront her heavily accented English by becoming the first foreign-born woman to be the president of the celebrated debating society, the Cambridge Union. One of her tutors was the Maoist economist Joan Robinson. She is remembered there, according to a recent article in the London Telegraph, as sporting around in an Alfa Romeo and literally romancing conservative ideals, dating a young member of Parliament, John Selwyn Gummer, who later became vice-Chairman of the Conservative Party. She later had dinner with Times of London writer Bernard Levin, one of the most influential columnists of the time, and ended up in an eight-year relationship with him." I wonder how much ideology they actually share but both of us are only guessing until he tells us. She has been writing political columns for years, books, and even debated in campaigns in lieu of her husband. So I know what her issues and stances are. I looked at Arnolds web page and there isn't much there: basically a donation link and a news article. He promises more to come. Arianna's page has issues, positions, and past columns she had penned that have her pov in black and white--no equivocation.
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That was just a section of the article. I don't know about you but I've never accidentally said that word. Wouldn't you agree that only racist people who hate blacks say that word? Or maybe it's different where you come from. Lastly, Arnold is losing almost all support that I once had because he is dodging every issue. He shoulda been more organized than what he is. He's beginning to look just as dumb as everyone else. |
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09-03-2003, 05:34 PM | #33 (permalink) |
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I caught part of the debate today, and I have to say Tom McClintock came off as the best choice. Very well spoken, didn't dodge questions and was very clear about what he intended to do if he won.
I honestly can't see how Arnold will win unless McClintock backs out and right now I see McClintock moving in on Arnolds numbers. I'm to the point that I hope Arnold fucks up the one debate he plans on attending and puts his support behind McClintock. |
09-03-2003, 06:54 PM | #34 (permalink) |
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Bustamante was on Fox last week, in an interview with Tony Snow. In it, he was asked if he agreed with the 'supposed' slogan of Mecha. He would not answer the question when asked point blank 3 or 4 times.
Arnold on the other hand has said the 70s were crazy times, and he also says that he lied somewhat in the article in order to hype up body building, as his movie Pumping Iron was coming out soon or something. Now, I wouldn't hold anything someone did 20 years ago against them - but Bustamante isn't exactly denouncing the slogan in the here and now, in the present. And I can hold that against him.
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Bustamante, who has an excellent record in affirmative action and excellent relations with the African-American community in California, makes a mistake and then spends the next several weeks apologizing for it. And this somehow makes him a racist? If he hadn't apologized - at length and great political expense, I might add - then you might have a point. But he did everything humanly possible to set the issue aright. Far more than you have done, in fact, on the issue of your own racial opinions. [i](On edit: long, profanity-laden tirade against sixate removed on reassertion of good judgement. Anyone who wants to know what I was going to say (and it *was* quite witty, if highly offensive, can PM me.) Bustamante a racist. What the hell next?! It's time for you to face facts and admit that you're dead, flat, fucking wrong.
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