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Originally posted by sixate
I love how people get all pissed off about what I have to say.
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What gave you the idea that I'm pissed?
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Obviously you haven't read everything about Bustamante. You gave me no evidence that he isn't a part of the group that was in the article I posted.
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I would posit that it's impossible to read everything there is to read about Bustamante. Therefore your assertion is valueless, as
you likely haven't read everything about him either. I will state here: Cruz Bustamante was a member of MEChA. He was not and is not a member of La Voz de Aztlan, MEChA's racist and anti-semitic splinter group. I have yet to see you post any evidence to state that he is part of La Voz. Nor, I think, will you be able to do so.
Now, as to this supposedly racist group:
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"It's bizarre to assume this is some kind of radical group, seeking to overthrow part of the United States [...] It was part of the Brown Beret and Chicano studies movement, but it's mainly a social group and has been for years. To suggest it's involved in paramilitary training or some underhanded conspiracy is ludicrous."
Mike Madrid, Latino Affairs consultant, California Republican Party
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You can find out more about El Plan de Aztlan at
http://www.angelfire.com/sd/mcdsd/ElPlanDeAztlan.html
A few choice excerpts:
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"Brotherhood unites us, and love for our brothers makes us a people whose time has come and who struggles against the foreigner "gabacho" who exploits our riches and destroys our culture. With our heart in our hands and our hands in the soil, we declare the independence of our mestizo nation. We are a bronze people with a bronze culture. Before the world, before all of North America, before all our brothers in the bronze continent, we are a nation, we are a union of free pueblos, we are Aztlan."
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"El Plan Espiritual de Aztlan sets the theme that the Chicanos (La Raza de Bronze) must use their nationalism as the key or common denominator for mass mobilization and organization. Once we are committed to the idea and philosophy of El Plan de Aztlan, we can only conclude that social, economic, cultural, and political independence is the only road to total liberation from oppression, exploitation, and racism. Our struggle then must be for the control of our barrios, campos, pueblos, lands, our economy, our culture, and our political life. El Plan commits all levels of Chicano society - the barrio, the campo, the ranchero, the writer, the teacher, the worker, the professional - to La Causa."
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There's lots more, but I think I'll let you read it for yourself. The base fact is that there's no racism there. Pride, yes. Anger, yes. Identity, yes. Why is it that you equate these things with racism?
You can read the constitution of MEChA at
http://www.brownmecha.org/doc_mnc.html. I note that it makes no mention of exclusion of membership based upon race. As far as MEChA being some sort of hate group or racist organization, one of the leading authorities on that sort of thing is Tolerance, a project of the Southern Poverty Law Center. They don't list MEChA as a racist or hate-mongering organization. A former member of MEChA said, "There were many Mexican gangs in the area, and MEChA counseled to “Get an education. Stay away from gangs. Stay away from drugs. Don’t drink. Be responsible. Make something of yourself."
Now, as far as La Voz de Aztlan, they certainly are a hate organization. All twelve members or so (according to Southern Poverty Law Center) seem to dislike Jews quite strongly. That group had this to say regarding the election:
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…Once again, Mexican-Americans are caught in a quandary within the two party dictatorship. Cruz Bustamante of the Democratic Party does not seem to be a viable alternative. He appears to be a mere hispanic “replica” of the incompetent and crooked Gray Davis who is called “Our Jewish Governor” by the Jews of California.
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…There is no question that the incompetent and corrupt Gray Davis will be ousted. Most Californians would like to recall the entire current legislature as well. We are fed up with the entire bunch of sleazy politicians. They have sold out the interests of the people to greedy special interests. It is time to “terminate” all of them. Perhaps, “The Terminator” who is already a millionaire and not a professional politician can accomplish this on behalf of the people.
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Wow. You'd think that if Bustamante was part of La Voz, they'd have nicer things to say about him.
Instead, they support the same candidate that you do. Hmmm.
There's a lot more out there, too. Would you like me to keep going?
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I don't take back what I said about the Middle East. It's not an issue about race. It's about terrorism!!!!
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I get it now! You want to kill everyone in the Middle East because they're
all terrorists! I understand what you're saying now, sixate, and I have to say that you are one sick person. Please provide proof that all Middle Easterners are terrorists, and that this somehow provides justification for genocide.
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and weed smoking Clinton. Plus, he was fucking interns while he was the president,
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Ooooh, a Clinton crack! Funny, isn't it, that Clinton gets dragged out to explain away the peccadilloes of the politicians you do support? I also note for the record that yours is the first invocation of the Clenis™ in this debate.
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to say that someone is the same person they were 26 years ago is completely crazy.
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Now you're contradicting yourself. EVEN IF everything you said about Bustamante is somehow true - and it isn't - then how does this statement not exonerate him for his college-years involvement with MEChA?
You're still being inconsistent.