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Old 09-02-2003, 09:40 PM   #24 (permalink)
ctembreull
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Originally posted by sixate
I could pull up many more racist things about the group [...] The motto of MEChA:

"Por La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada (For the Race, everything. For those outside the Race, nothing)."

Just try and tell me that isn't racist.
Y'know, that is racist. Unfortunately, it's also a rather poor translation - more akin to what you'd get out of Babelfish than out of an actual Spanish speaker. I'll present for you here the analysis of David Neiwert:

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A more accurate translation of the slogan would recognize that though "Por" translates to the English "For," it is used in a very specific sense of the word -- namely, "On behalf of" or "In the service of". "Fuera" is not "for those outside" but rather refers to the speaker, and means "Apart from." So what the slogan actually says is this:

In the service of the race, everything
Apart from the race, nothing
So now you've got that mistranslated meme coming from a lot of people like Michelle Malkin and Joseph Farah, both conservative pundits, and from sites like Conservative Crust and Capitalist magazine. But you don't have it coming from anyone or any site associated with MEChA. You can look for yourself at http://www.brownmecha.org. It's got tons of documents and links and forums and all sorts of resources. If you find it, tell me, 'kay? If you see anything at all that says that Latinos should be promoted at the expense of others, you just shout it right out.

(Edit: modified to correct my own error.)

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I do want many/all Middle Easterners dead!! I could give a shit less if all of them die. I'll tell you why. If they/any Middle Eastern country had the military power of America they would have blown us to bits a long long time ago.
You can't possibly expect to prove that. I note, however, that the Middle East is composed predominantly of non-Caucasians. And you advocate killing them all simply because you don't like what you think they might do if they ever had power. Go ahead and tell me that's not racist. Then, once I've stopped laughing, tell me how you have any moral authority whatsoever to make claims of racism against Cruz Bustamante, who, by the way, has NEVER been accused of racism in thirty years of dignified public service in California.

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Bustamante still supports this fucking group. He still is the same fucking racist that he always has been. I'm sure you'll turn your cheek to that also since you have a habit of only seeing what you want.
Well, now. Isn't this a fine example of the pot calling the kettle black. Fine, you want to play it that way? I'll rely on and paraphrase the work of Ted Barlow here.

Remember David Duke? He was the KKK guy who ran for President a while back. A guy named Mike Foster paid Duke quite a bit of money for his mailing lists. He didn't report this to election officials and was fined for it, but that's beside the point. Mike Foster was George W. Bush's campaign manager in Louisiana for the 2000 election. George W. Bush has never repudiated his ties to Foster. This is, by the way, just an example. I also haven't seen Arnold repudiate his father's Nazism. I haven't seen George W. Bush repudiate his father's business ties with those same Nazis. Schwarzenegger has not repudiated his drug use of so many years ago, nor his blatant homophobia. George W. Bush kicked off his South Carolina campaign at Bob Jones University, which is famous for its ban of interracial dating (since revoked). He also laid a wreath at the tomb of Jefferson Davis (I assume you know who he was). Do you have any comment on that?

Now, the thing is, Cruz Bustamante is a well-regarded public servant, a moderate Democrat, with 30 years of service under his belt. Not until two weeks ago has anyone ever accused him of being a racist. They are doing so now, now that he has passed Schwarzenegger in the polls. The only thing they have to justify that ludicrous position is his thirty-years-past membership to a group that may or may not have ever espoused the ideal they claim it does. And you yourself said that what happened so long ago is in no way indicative of a man's character now. Did you ever think that this entire episode is nothing more than an attempt to make Bustamante say something negative about an organization that has chapters at 300 colleges and universities around the country, in an attempt to distance him from his base?

So now who's got his head in the sand, sixate? You've quoted one article from a blatantly biased source. You've provided no proof of your ridiculous assertions. You can rail about that all you want, but the base fact is that you've been misled by conservatives with an axe to grind.

Sorry, dude, and I mean that honestly. I'm very sorry to have to disabuse you of your notions like this, but on this issue, you're wrong.
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