02-16-2010, 04:06 PM | #81 (permalink) |
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I just want to know one thing, if Beck has such great ratings and is so popular and blah blah blah...... why does he do commercials for toenail fungus? I've never heard Limbaugh do them.
Does he actually have toenail fungus and believes in this doctor with lasers or is it he'll do anything for a buck? And if that is the case then wouldn't his show be all about making money and not the product? If he believes in the product and is doing the commercial for that reason, why doesn't he just say, "Hi, if you are like me and suffer from toenail fungus....." So which is it Beck do you do the commercial for the money or do you do the commercial because you use the product and believe in it? Your credibility rests with your answer and proof of the fungus and treatments you have received.
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02-16-2010, 04:18 PM | #82 (permalink) |
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One potential answer to your question, pan, is the fact that there has been on ongoing campaign to strip Beck of corporate sponsors. He's lost a lot of them in America, and even more in the UK. Recently, Glen Beck's show aired in the UK without commercials, because they didn't have anyone willing to buy commercial time during the show.
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02-16-2010, 05:18 PM | #84 (permalink) |
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I have not seen any recent 'official' poll numbers, but judging from the talk on local radio stations here, it's only enhanced her status.
even today on one of the shows, the host made Beck look like a complete hypocrite by playing an excerpt of a Sep 2009 interview he did with a truther group called 'jersey girls' and at the end of the interview, he said nearly the exact same words that Medina answered to him.
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02-16-2010, 05:25 PM | #85 (permalink) |
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I've never liked Beck. As Will pointed out earlier, he sells himself as a libertarian while consistently upholding policies which are in direct, diametric opposition to the Non Aggression Principle. Additionaly, again as WR pointed out, he went out of his way to frame Ron Paul supporters as "domestic terrorists," even insinuating at one point that such people should be "handled" by the military: Neo-Con-speak for "Gitmo-ing" a person. However, his scattershot approach to most political issues (while it raises a lot of Birther-esque crap as well) has shone light into a lot of neglected (and VERY dirty) areas of the FedGov's operation. So, if for no other reason than that even a blind pig finds an acorn now and again, I think he should be left free to ask his questions. He should not be surprised, however, to occasionally find himself hoist on his own petard.
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02-16-2010, 06:36 PM | #87 (permalink) | |
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I remember being on here, wow, 6 years ago during the '04 campaign bitching about Beck and people said "WHO?" Funny how he's gotten so big. I remember when on Fridays he did football games and would call convenience stores in Monday night games and have them answer 5 questions. The one who guessed best would be predict to live in the winning city. Beck back then was political first, BUT he had some good humor and skits that made him a bit easier to tolerate than Limbaugh. What amazes me most I guess is that people say the Neo Con movement is dead and talk about how hated Bush is and yet, Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, Levin, FAUX News and so on show ratings higher than they have ever had. To me, that says something about the belief in the Dem party. "We hate the greedy NeoCons but the Dems scare us more." Is what seems to be the feeling out there among the masses.
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02-16-2010, 06:46 PM | #88 (permalink) |
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It's not that the Dems are scary, pan, it's that they're incompetent. I'd rather have incompetent people who have generally decent ideas than competent people who have terrible ideas though. That said, I understand why someone would be unenthused about either.
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02-17-2010, 07:28 AM | #90 (permalink) |
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Rassmussen from Feb 2:
Perry 44%, Hutchison 29%, Medina 16% Medina was 4% in November, 12% January, 16% Feb 2nd. I place this here, so we can see what the numbers are next publication...
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lest it somehow goes missing in this thread that beck is a significant mouthpiece for the neo-poujadisme that's been taking shape on the far right.
and lest if somehow goes missin in this thread that this movement is not single, it is not real coherent---but i think it is dangerous. Quote:
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02-17-2010, 08:45 AM | #92 (permalink) |
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roachboy, that's surreal. And a bit frightening, but only if it is indeed as widespread as is implied.
The recession needed a scapegoat, and so it is the government. There had to be a casualty, and it was reason.
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02-17-2010, 08:53 AM | #93 (permalink) |
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so the blossoming movement that is tired of mainstream politics from both sides of the aisle is now the new neo-group to be feared and ridiculed? They've lost all reason?
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With these particular people, however, it just might be the case. This doesn't necessarily apply to all within the Tea Party movement, but it appears there is a certain contingent that is a bit worrisome. This is the kind of person that hangs on the words of Glenn Beck.
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Might I point out that not a single act of violence has occurred at a tea party event. Oh, except when the anti-tea party protestors beat up two guys in (I think it was) Ft. Lauderdale. It's just exceedingly difficult to accept this boogeyman fearmongering when, in the 100s of events that have occurred around the nation, not one car has been overturned, window broken, tear gas canister dispensed, etc.
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02-17-2010, 09:11 AM | #96 (permalink) |
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dk--let's not be disengenuous. it is not the case that all movements which work in opposition to the existing order are the same simply because they're in opposition. and you don't believe it yourself--were this a movement from the left, you'd be jumping up and down about it and buying more canned goods for your bunker.
conditions are now such that it's hard to even have a discussion about this. it's like there are separate planets and folk who support this teapartiers live on one and other folk live on another. things which are axiomatic on the teaparty planet--like the gubment is evil by definition--are surreal in their simplemindedness on the other planet--but there's no common ground to have a discussion. this erosion of the basis for a debate seems to me to be the result of a long effort on the part of the populist right to carve out for itself a space of self-confirming short bromides which shape what passes for a coherent politics amongst the demographics which find such stuff to be appealing. it's the self-confirming nature of the statements that indicates the problem. then you start adding to that the particular political orientations of segments of this coalition. the militia movement. who the fuck wants the militia movement getting itself into power? the xenophobia set. the social reactionaries. the only thing holding this movement together is some incoherent sense of having been fucked over that's been channeled by folk like beck into some strange political movement. so yeah, i think it's dangerous. i think neo-fascism is always dangerous.
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I have been to several TEA party events. I have never once heard a call to arms. It is emphasized that the solutions lie at the ballot box. Could it be that those in the media who fear the power the TEA party now holds target the extremists in their interviews to further their pre-determined point (which is to marginalize the movement as extremist)? Did you READ the 11 page NYT article on the TEA party?!? It was 11 pages of, "These people are going to burn the C@p!t@l to the ground and r@pe the 0b@m@ d@ughters." It was so ridiculously slanted.
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02-17-2010, 09:39 AM | #99 (permalink) |
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The media is the propaganda tool of the mainstream political power. of course we're going to be painted as white racists and neo nazis or fascists. But lets not let anything get in the way of maintaining the status quo, so long as people keep getting their government money
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02-17-2010, 09:46 AM | #100 (permalink) |
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The Canadian media has no stake in American political power. I get the impression from it that the Tea Party movement is at once amorphous and sometimes risking being yet another political party a la Republican, if it doesn't get folded into simply being Republican voters. Bottom line: it is volatile.
Are you denying that there is a contingent of Teapartiers who don't fit the bill? Can you speak directly to the article above? Is Pam Stout, Richard Mack, and their ilk a figment of our imagination? Is this not a threat to the Tea Party movement?
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02-17-2010, 10:11 AM | #102 (permalink) |
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notice that there's no attempt to present or defend arguments, only complaints about "media portrayals" when the fact is that thanks to faux news and people like glenn beck this incoherent far right "movement" has managed more television exposure than left political organizations have been able to get from the same media outlets at any point since the rise of television. and the teabaggers owe everything to this coverage. it's the reason there is a "movement"---because it appears that there is one, now there is one. doesn't matter that it's incoherent. doesn't matter that groups right libertarians with milita movement people--you know like those fine fellows from stormfront---with "promise keepers" (rebrand) with isolationists (so 30s) with xenophobes (so republican) with petit bourgeois types who have watched capitalism reorganize itself away from providing for anything remotely like what they expected for themselves and who know that something is really really wrong but haven't got the political tools to be able to articulate what that might be except that something Bad has happened and ideological mercenaries on the order of roger ailes and the faux news combine are more than happy to tell these people what it is that they're afraid of and in the process to help shift the republican brand away from its own record of disaster, positioning them as some kind of independent movement.
but that's how neo-fascism works as a tactic. these groups are always right there to tell you what it is that you are afraid of. it cant be capitalism. it cant be privatization. it cant be class stratification. it cant be the american preference for diverting massive resources into technological systems that kill others in great number. it cant be the unhinging of stock performance from anything remotely like a socio-economic well being for most people (hell EVERYONE is a holder of capital, right?) so it has to be the state. wait no. it has to be illegal immigrants. wait no. it has to be terrorism. wait no. it has to be taxes because that is taking my shit and giving it to someone else. probably a parasite. no wait. it has to be some Outside Force that Persecutes the Salt of the Earth and Doesn't Respect Nations or Flags or other symbols of the outmoded good ole days. it has to be change. anything that seems out of control. so we're gonna mobilize and say: we're pissed and afraid. and we're going to say these things from some old-school nativist isolationist reactionary position even though no-one can quite say what it is. neo-fascism kids. like it or not. so clearly the thing to do is to deny that it's neo-fascism. because what matters is appearance, not reality. o yeah, and stop showing the people who are part of the tea party thing. stop letting them talk. they make the rest of us look bad. whatever They say we are, we aren't. sheesh.
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02-17-2010, 10:25 AM | #103 (permalink) |
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your entire opinion is completely discredited when your entire outlook is based upon slander.
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02-17-2010, 10:37 AM | #104 (permalink) |
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whatever They say we are, we aren't.
compare the tea party movement to others which are not locked into the tiny spectrum of american politics. things get ugly. the teapartiers are somewhere to the right of organizations like the front national. the strictest parallel is poujadisme. Pierre Poujade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia but with television coverage. like i say, dk, it doesn't matter if you don't like the name that it's reasonable to attach to the tea party movement as a whole. and it isn't to say that every person who finds that movement compelling is necessarily a neo-fascist. alot, seemingly like yourself, probably don't know what the word means. but that changes very little about the nature of the movement. and nothing about what it amounts to.
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02-17-2010, 10:46 AM | #105 (permalink) |
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again, your condescension and disdain for anything right of absurdly left leaves your opinions wanting credibility it cannot possibly find. not that it matters much. I've known your position for quite some time and know that you're never going to change it.
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02-17-2010, 11:06 AM | #106 (permalink) |
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dk...like i said, i find it curious that no-one who's sympathetic with the teapartiers accepts the way in which they characterize themselves, accepts the responsibility for what holds the movement together to the extent that anything does. they disavow people like glenn beck, who are among the biggest cheerleaders for the movement, such as it is, and who is responsible for giving it ALOT of (conservative) television exposure.
it's not my problem that as the teapartiers surface more publicly in recent weeks that embarrassment seems to mount along with them. i think it's funny. but i do think it's past time that the teabaggers stop playing the game of political 3-card monty they have been playing---and that you (and to a lesser extent cimmaron) are playing in this thread.
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I'm sorry, but this whole "the tea party are not what the media portray them to be" is a bit silly, no? I mean, they are promoted and/or sponsored by Fox News and pajamas media (home of joe the plumber). As is this "they are fed up with both parties" claim. Their keynote speaker at the convention was Sarah Palin. The biggest sponsors for the convention are:
- the judicial watch (founded by former republican senate candidate Larry Klayman, funded mostly by Richard Melon Scaife, and which has a list of "top 10 corrupt" politicians that includes 9 democrats), - the leadership institute (founded and presided by Morton Blackwell, member of the executive committee of the RNC), - Vision America (hosts of the "war on Christians conference" about how the "gay agenda" and the "secularists" are driving Christ out of public life, and presided by Rick Scarborough, who, by his own accounts, is Tom Delay's "closest friend"), - the Young Americans for Freedom (creators of the 'Catch an Illegal Immigrant Day' contest, 'Koran Desecration' contest, and responsible for posting "gays spread aids" fliers all over the michigan state campus) - The voices of America (created by two members of Beck's 9-12 project) Then, in the actual convention itself we had: - Tom Tancredo, republican, as the opening speaker, where he lamented that the outlawing of literacy and English tests to vote, and that that allowed Obama to get elected - Joseph Farah, "birther" and editor of World Net Daily, who used his speech at the convention to denounce Obama as an illegal alien - Andrew Brietbart, creator of the documentary "Generation Zero," which argues that the recent financial crisis was engineered by 1960s radicals intent on destroying capitalism. Oh, and also the boss of that guy that was just arrested trying to wiretap Landrieu's phones. Of course, you may argue that the convention is not representative of the entire movement. But when we look at the states' tea parties, the majority are sponsored by Dick Armey's freedomworks. And the majority actually endorses the republican candidates quite consistently, from David Vitter in La., to Scott Brown in MA, to Michelle Bachmann. Now, those may be extremists that are a minority in the tea party movement. But when this minority actually includes both the leadership and the sponsors of the movement, its hard to argue that they are not representative of the movement. At some other point in time the tea party might have been grassroots and not partisan. Not now. Last edited by dippin; 02-17-2010 at 11:02 PM.. |
02-18-2010, 07:00 AM | #111 (permalink) |
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Anyone seen Medina's poll numbers yet? Has it even mattered that she said what she said?
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02-18-2010, 07:31 AM | #112 (permalink) |
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According to this Fox blog, there haven't been any poll numbers since her comments in and about the interview.
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02-18-2010, 08:07 AM | #113 (permalink) |
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My gut says that her numbers will rise. Her post-interview response/explanation was pretty good. Also, this exposure certainly increased people's interest and if people see her overall message they will most likely move away from Perry and Hutchinson. In a crazy way, Beck might have just handed her the primary.
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02-18-2010, 08:18 AM | #114 (permalink) |
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I could totally see people giving her the sympathy vote because of Beck. Or would that be the hate/angry vote because of Beck?
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Heh, I was riding to a job site with a co-worker just now and he had Beck on the radio:
What a difference a week will do. Medina just did an interview on a Dallas talk radio station and said "all the right things" about truthers. As an aside, Beck asked her that question because he was being inundated with calls from people saying "I can't believe you would do what you did to Van Jones and then have the nerve to have a 9/11 truther on your show as a candidate!!!" As you may recall, Beck exposed Van Jones as a truther and he resigned (in part) because of it. The point is that public sentiment against truthers seems to be a powerful force. Having the label would definitely be a negative in the campaign. He didn't know anything about her position on the issue and thought that by asking the question, it would settle the issue that she was not a truther. Again, if she'd have just said "No" last week - she could have spent this week focusing on why she is a better candidate rather than re-refining her answer to a seemingly simple question. Regardless, she will probably still rise in the polls.
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I do know that some of the local shows here in Dallas are calling Beck out for his outright lies on his tv and radio shows as he tried to defend himself. There are alot of Texans very angry at Beck right now.
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Dang...More lies? When is that hater Glenn Beck going learn not to try and fool us like that? So which outright lies did ol' Nazi Glenn tell this time? I don't really have enough time to tune in to watch or listen to what he actually says, but it appeals to my social perameters to exercise unsubstantiated righteous indignatation with such enthusiasm! double-dang!
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Glenn Beck is the answer to FOX's question of, "How do we, in this ripe time for journalism, steal Alex Jone's message and internet traffic without suffering the wrath of "teh internets"?"
Really, what the answer turned out to be, was a dude who was slightly lamer than Alex, with slightly better resources, and a far more retarded audience. This created a balance between Glenn and Alex, because FOX's viewers, and Alex's viewers, could coexist at this point, thereby keeping everyone happy and in business feeding bullshit to uneducated sheep all over the country, without any of the sheep individually conflicting with one another on the same media-driven issues (thereby starting flame wars which may reduce total number of viewers). It worked well enough, anyhow. |
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