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US senator upsets muslims...

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I think it's a pretty silly suggestion and rather insensitive, but I don't think the guy who said it was really taking himself seriously.

As usual, a circus of whining erupts whenever such incidents happen. Some of the civil rights organisations are a bunch of distateful hypocrites. Plain sobbing lobbyist SOBs. No one would condone what the note suggested, and nothing says that the note indicated any of the Senator's views on muslims.

Do we ask Saudi Arabia or the Palestinians for a formal apology every time they attack Christianity?

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Macheath

Buried with pig entrails, eh? Tariq Aziz wouldn't be too fussed.

I also hear if you mix pop rocks and soda...

Stupid bastard.

Osama fears nothing more than moderate Muslims being welcomed into the pluralist and democratic societies with open arms.

samremy

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Of course not, our laws don't come directly from the Bible, unlike most Islamic countries' laws, which, if I'm correct, are directly taken from the Koran. Our country's constitution requires quite the opposite in the sense that no law will be made in respect to an establishment of religion, from the first amendment: the guarantee of freedom of religion. Where as in Islamic countries, they have no such guarantee of freedom of religion, at least from what I understand.

In all essence, demanding an apology for an insult to Christianity would be quite un-American.

Regardless, passing around a pamphlet such as the one in the article is no better than going door to door and stuffing neo-nazi literature into the mailbox, even worse when it's done by a legislator to his fellow members of the legislature. Very careless and insensitively childish.
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reconmike

I think we should start shelling muslims with whole pigs shot out of 155 howitzers, or strap a couple to a cruise missle. That will get their attention.

But in this age of PC combat we must first declare our plans, take a poll, and rework it if the media doesnt think people like the idea.

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Darkblack

Why do you hate muslims?

The_Dude

typical stereotyping.

if that statement was about the jews, i bet there would be hell raised in here.


anyway, i cant believe a democratic senator said that! when i read the title of this thread, i was like, thats a GOP sen for sure!

damn! i got crushed.

then i remembered, we still have some byrd's

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reconmike

Ahhh I am just exercising my first admendment rights, just like the fat chick in the dixie ho's.

You all remember that right, dont ya?

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For anyone who didn't feel like clicking the link:

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Flier from senator angers Muslims


By Yvonne Abraham, Globe Staff, 6/27/2003

Senator Guy W. Glodis has angered Muslims and a civil rights group over a flier he sent to fellow senators that says terrorist attacks could be deterred if convicted Muslim extremists were buried with pig entrails.

The flier, which Glodis's 39 colleagues received Wednesday, said an execution of Muslim extremists in the Philippines was ordered by General John Joseph ''Black Jack'' Pershing before World War I, in which the terrorists were shot with bullets dipped in pigs' blood, then buried with ''pigs' blood, entrails, etc.'' According to the flier, contact with the blood and entrails of pigs ''instantly barred'' Muslims from paradise, dooming them to hell. It said news of the burial deterred other terrorist attacks for ''the next forty-two years.''

''Maybe it is time for this segment of history to repeat itself, maybe in Iraq,'' the flier concluded. ''The question is, where do we find another Black Jack Pershing?''

A Muslim group denounced the flier as ''slanderous garbage.'' Internet websites cast doubt on the authenticity of the killings as described in the flier, with at least one referring to the description as a fictional chain.

The Auburn Democrat would not say yesterday whether he agreed with the contents of the flier, which he circulated to his colleagues with a note that said ''thought this might be of interest to you.''

''I didn't write it,'' he said. ''I just passed it along to my colleagues. I often share news items of interest with my colleagues.''

The flier merely recounted historical fact, Glodis said, and should not have offended anyone.

''If some of my colleagues are so weak-kneed and politically correct and cannot accept historical fact, I suggest they lodge a formal complaint with the secretary of the Army,'' Glodis said.

But a national Muslim society took a different view and plans to call for Glodis's censure today.

''I am outraged and I am offended, and I think that the senator owes an apology to his Muslim constituents,'' said Raeed N. Tayeh, public affairs director of the Muslim American Society Freedom Foundation, in Washington, D.C. ''The inflammatory nature of passing this around and the recklessness with which he's done it -- he hasn't checked his history, and I think it's ludicrous.''

Islam does not teach that people would be barred from heaven by being buried with pigs, Tayeh said.

''It's a canard, it's a lie, a fable,'' he said. ''It is one of those urban legends that keeps getting passed on like a terrible chain letter. God admits people to heaven based on their actions. This is what Muslims believe.''

Tayeh said he would join local Muslims today to call on Senate President Robert E. Travaglini to censure Glodis. Travaglini's office did not return several calls requesting comment.

''This is just a sad commentary on the ignorance of people who are entrusted to represent Americans, that they would pass around such offensive, distasteful, and slanderous garbage to members of an esteemed body such as the Massachusetts Senate,'' Tayeh said.

A local civil rights leader concurred.

''It's deeply troubling,'' said Andrew Tarsy, civil rights director for the Anti-Defamation League's New England office. ''Discourse on difficult issues in this country requires a fundamental respect for human rights. Appeals to bigotry are not a part of the constructive discussion about the war on terrorism. His role is to lead a discussion, and that can be done without this kind of recklessness.''

Most of the senators called for comment on Glodis's mailing yesterday did not return calls, but two defended his First Amendment right to circulate it. ''I respect Guy. He is a friend, and this isn't something I would support or send out, but he has a right to do it,'' said Senate Minority Leader Brian P. Lees, an East Longmeadow Republican.

''If there was any indication that we would repeat something like that, I would never agree to anything like that, but he has a right to any opinion he wants,'' he said.

Senator Jarrett T. Barrios said he found the flier offensive, and threw it away.

''I get offensive things sent to me all the time,'' said the Cambridge Democrat.

''The First Amendment of the United States allows people to be eloquent in how they express themselves or to be troglodytes. It doesn't discriminate. Clearly, the senator is able to exercise his First Amendment rights and has chosen to do so. And I am free to throw it in the garbage.''

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Darkblack

yes you are, although they didn't hate someone just because of their religion....

Sparhawk

Well, I'm offended. I hope that's what you were going for. Or maybe just welcome collateral damage.

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Slims

Well, I say whatever works.

If just executing someone isn't punishment for them because they feel they are going to paradise, then it is only fair that we take that belief away from them.

Besides, if it saves lives, I think it is entirely justified.

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seretogis

If extremist religious nuts are going to use certain aspects of their religion to attack us, I don't see why we shouldn't use it against them. It could do much to deter terrorists who are convinced to blow themselves up in a cafe purely for religious reasons.

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Sparhawk

It's called the Law of Armed Conflict and the Geneva Conventions.

Better known as my 4th grade teacher put it: stooping to their level.

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Conclamo Ludus

Are pig entrails biological warfare?

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Macheath

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geep

They are definately biological. How do you bury someone with pork products after they've detonated themselves into tiny particles? If they're buried with bacon, do they still get the virgins?

reconmike

I dislike anyone who hates me because of who I am,(american, perceived christian).

Do you really think that they want world peace?

If there wasnt a jew or american for a thousand miles of them they would still try and reek havoc on the infidels.

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The_Dude

LOL! you are saying that all muslims hate all christians??

there are a WHOLE lot of muslims living in this country, and i dont see them reeking havoc.

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