"The trrrists!"

"John McCain has been dead wrong on the fundamentals [of Iraq]" - Biden

True.dat

As a note, will, that seemed pretty much what both of them said. It appears that all 4 of them have an identical (to me unsatisfactory) positions on gay marriage.

(In reference to Palin/McCain differences).

We'd be surrendering to Putin, as he rears his head over Alaskan airspace.

The Terrists...

How long is the debate?

I wish I could see the feedback meters you guys have... I'm watching a webcast since I don't have a TV.

About 90 minutes. :thumbsup:

Feedback meters clearly show that women think Biden is dreamy.

It lasts for 90 minutes if it's like the first one, meaning we're a minute or two over halfway.

Now she's sounding like Bush.

Even the "nuculur."

She's repeating things Bush has said on Iran.

And she uses appeal to emotions far too much.

This is gross.

That's interesting -- so he is apparently avoiding the perception of being overbearing and threatening to Palin?

I'd tear her apart piece by piece. I'd make her cry. Why? Ignorant hubris.

EDIT: YES! FINALLY! Biden knows Ahmadinejad is a figurehead.

agreed. she's definately going for that

Who doesn't love Isreal? It's so cuddly!

I 'm about to throw up...

Didn't Palin say she supported Hamas accidentally in the Couric interview? Now watch her state nothing of consequence about Israel.... oh, no, she wants to attack Obama instead of answering the question. "Our country comes first" has nothing to do with Israel, nitwit.

It's irritating, but then there are all the northern leaders that cannot pronounce the letter "R". It drives me up the wall. How many Kennedy's said "Chiner" (China) and Q-ber (Cuba)?... Dan Akroid used to mock Jimmy Carter saying nuculer as well.

i had a phone call so i missed most of this
what is she talking about?
i don't understand what she's saying.
isn't this a question about nuclear weapons?

Palin's lost already.

First thing Obama did when joining the Senate was run for president.

she's trying to hang with biden on afghanistan? why? she doesn't have the basic facts in place to do this.

this interventionist question is interesting---biden is at least sucking it up and not ducking it. this is one reason i was not happy with the choice, btw.

@ottopilot: I don't get the relevance.

@roachboy: Indeed. It's refreshing to see him take the question with a nod to being wrong previously.

The audience polls are vastly different now. Biden is maxing out with both sexes and Palin's pretty low with both, averaging the middle.

I don't think it's a landslide yet Will, but I think biden is in the lead
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I have to say, what I like about Biden is that he is playing the role of both a supporter and an independent leader. Palin seems to be just playing defender of McCain.

And attacker of Obama.

SHE WINKED AGAIN!

"Gosh darn it!"

...I didn't just hear a shoutout.

On the other hand, the audience liked it :p

i'm watching on c-span

i dont understand this baroque non-sequitors that palin keeps dropping.
when she gets all populist, she seems to get kinda caught up in visualizing what she's talking about.

Non-sequitors, appeals to emotion, hokey language...that's what you have to look forward to with a McCain/Palin administration.

Wouldn't that be refreshing?

Wait a minute....

Palin is so fucking annoying. I have nothing else to add.

First I've heard of Biden's family. Nice to know Palin's not got a monopoly on emotion.

he just wiped the floor with her on this last populist "i'm a regular person too" thing.

this is not fun to watch at this point.
i'm wondering if "i love money" is on.

That was really emotional - I agree, totally wiped the floor with her there.

He seemed genuine; Palin seemed fake...like she was trying to hard to win "hearts and minds."

It was based on one of Biden's comment at that very moment.

Not gonna lie, I kinda tuned out the past 15 minutes or so. Information overload and I felt myself reacting with quite a bit of bias.

comportment wise it was more professional than i expected for some reason.
i think i missed some carnage (iraq)---it seemed that palin is a nicer person than i had imagined who is more out of her depth than i had imagined.

she dissociates well.
biden answered questions well.

This was the first time I've heard Biden speak. I was impressed. He seems quite vice-presidential. He sometimes went too much into specifics, but not quite far enough to his detriment.

Palin didn't embarrass herself, but her overall performance was disappointing. She dodged and distracted too much. She was too vague.

If you review this, I'd think you could say Biden is the clear victor.

All she talked about was Alaska and energy

Biden was easily the victor and was far more knowledgeable, however, Palin did not have any major gaffes or blank stare at the camera in confusion moments. I think she did what she had to do and has restored a lot of her credibility.

All she talked about the Alaska and energy.