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thespian86 · 10-02-2008, 04:20 PM

I'm really looking forward to see how Palin handles the stage alone. Here's a thread to discuss what's going on.

Enjoy

SSJTWIZTA · 10-02-2008, 04:29 PM

i think ill be tuning in as well.

Dont know if ill be chiming in while watching it though, we'll see.

31 min. to go.

Jozrael · 10-02-2008, 04:30 PM

Kind of jumping the gun, eh?

But yea, I'll be watching and commenting, just like last time. I'm making -popcorn- for this spectacle, baby!

abaya · 10-02-2008, 04:33 PM

Staying up late here in Iceland (again)--live coverage begins at 1am, we'll be up till 2:30am. Last week was better, since we could sleep in really late on Saturday morning. Ktsp has to get up and go to work at 8am.

The great part about debate coverage here is that it's the straight live feed--no commercials, no analysis, no fancy-shmancy. Just the debate itself. I'll check in here after it's all done.

Jozrael · 10-02-2008, 04:39 PM

Well...we get live feed too. Just multiple camera angles =). And we get an 'audience response indicator' on the bottom if we watch via CNN. Everyone in the audience has a 'positive reaction' button and a 'negative reaction' button. And they report whether they're Demo, Repub, or Independent. So as the debate goes on, you can track the bottom of the screen and see the average of each of the three categories fluctuate in direct response to the candidates words. It's fascinating (and the foundation of my belief that Obama won the last debate: the lines clearly showed an advantage for him in all three groups (@_@).

thespian86 · 10-02-2008, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jozrael

Kind of jumping the gun, eh?

But yea, I'll be watching and commenting, just like last time. I'm making -popcorn- for this spectacle, baby!

It makes me feel like a big man to start the thread. I'll sleep like a baby tonight.

No, it's just so everyone is aware that's its here.

Willravel · 10-02-2008, 04:40 PM

I REALLY can't wait for Palin to crash and burn. I just hope the moderator doesn't give her softballs or forgives her for changing the subject or not answering the question.

I'm curious about Biden.

Charlatan · 10-02-2008, 04:44 PM

I am going to try and watch from work but I doubt I will be able to see it...

Jozrael · 10-02-2008, 04:49 PM

What I'm not looking forward to, will, is Republicans defending her shitty performance.

abaya · 10-02-2008, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jozrael

Well...we get live feed too. Just multiple camera angles =). And we get an 'audience response indicator' on the bottom if we watch via CNN. Everyone in the audience has a 'positive reaction' button and a 'negative reaction' button. And they report whether they're Demo, Repub, or Independent. So as the debate goes on, you can track the bottom of the screen and see the average of each of the three categories fluctuate in direct response to the candidates words. It's fascinating (and the foundation of my belief that Obama won the last debate: the lines clearly showed an advantage for him in all three groups (@_@).

Yeah, no multiple angles here, unfortunately... and I would LOVE to see this "audience response" thingy, as it sounds like quite an interesting social experiment. But I'll settle for the unadulterated live feed... counting down in 9 minutes.

Jozrael · 10-02-2008, 04:56 PM

Update! They're doing a different audience response this time. It will be uncommitted Ohio voters, ones by their own admission are currently undecided. They are split only among men and women.

Update: http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/0...mp/#more-11389 is live CNN analyst updates during the debates.

Such a good summation: The election can’t be won tonight by Palin, but it certainly can be lost if she lays a goose egg.

thespian86 · 10-02-2008, 04:59 PM

2 minutes until Palin's first lie/non-answer!
-----Added 2/10/2008 at 09 : 03 : 29-----
hahahahahahahaha

FIRST LINE OF THE NIGHT

"Can I call ya' Joe?"

debaser · 10-02-2008, 05:04 PM

He should have said no...

Jozrael · 10-02-2008, 05:04 PM

As an initial note: Women seem disposed FOR biden and men AGAINST. Just during his introductions these were evident. As he continued speaking, both sides rose.
-----Added 2/10/2008 at 09 : 05 : 22-----
And it appears that Biden achieved a 100% approval rating with women during his last couple sentences.

Both men and women seem to approve of Palin's message equally. Numbers are more moderate than Biden's...not quite as high, not quite as low, but still on the approval side.

That wink made me feel nauseous. *shudder*.

Palin is handling herself well. She is very offensive, as was expected...but she's doing it in a very gentle way.

thespian86 · 10-02-2008, 05:08 PM

I like that they are looking at each other.

And then she winked... jesus.

Jozrael · 10-02-2008, 05:11 PM

Yea, I LOVE that they're talking to each other. I was offended for Obama that McCain didn't look at him throughout the debate.

I'm also surprised that Biden is being so forthright in his attacks on McCain. He's being careful to restrict them to McCain though...he hasn't made an attack on Palin yet.

debaser · 10-02-2008, 05:11 PM

She pegged it on the mortgage crisis...

fresnelly · 10-02-2008, 05:12 PM

I have the sound turned off and am watching the little CNN Audience response thingee ebb and flow like a brainwave. It's actually quite soothing.

Jozrael · 10-02-2008, 05:13 PM

Jesus. How many times is she going to say 'darn right'.

debaser · 10-02-2008, 05:13 PM

I keep waiting for her to dance a jig after she says "darn right"

thespian86 · 10-02-2008, 05:13 PM

I'm sorry to pull a Will but I can't get over how fucking ridiculous she is.

Everything she says is ruined by her "darns" and "hockey moms" and "jeeze".

fresnelly · 10-02-2008, 05:14 PM

I wonder what it would sound like if you took each audience line and attached it to an electronic pitch?

Jozrael · 10-02-2008, 05:15 PM

Holy crap.

WOW.

Ok, so at first, Palin comes out with this INCREDIBLE attack on Barack's tax policy that had me REELING. I was like 'whoa'.

Then Biden comes out and says YOU'RE 100% WRONG.

And he then goes AND YOU DIDN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION.

And she goes AND I'M NOT GONNA.

thespian86 · 10-02-2008, 05:16 PM

hahaha

Joe Biden starts speaking and the bars spike.

Jozrael · 10-02-2008, 05:17 PM

Nah, the bars are spiking for both of them. I'm not even paying attn to them anymore. Those past couple minutes were just CARNAGE.

Nvm...you're right. The polls aren't quite so high for Palin anymore.

Men seem especially vulnerable to the 'government is the problem' that she's talking about. They spiked up HIGH there.

Rofl. "He's got a DEtailed plan, and I'll give you some DEtails now".

Whoaaaaaa. "The ULTIMATE Bridge to Nowhere'.

Biden is not going about this at ALL as I expected, and I'm loving every. second.

thespian86 · 10-02-2008, 05:21 PM

Did she just say something anti-government in reference to the republican party. How surprisingly conservative. First thing I've heard thats actually conservative in 8 years it seems.

debaser · 10-02-2008, 05:21 PM

BANG!

(Ultimate bridge to nowhere)

Jozrael · 10-02-2008, 05:23 PM

Haha yea, debase. This is what the debate feels like to me:

Palin says something that SEEMS to be excellent and bring up a great point!

Biden smashes it down utterly and shows it to be wordplay or just false.

Palin retorts cattily.

Biden provides more substance and makes a direct assault.
-----Added 2/10/2008 at 09 : 24 : 14-----
Sorry my bad, this is the continuous feed on the debate:

Palin blames financial crisis on Wall Street - CNN.com

Is it just me or does Palin's voice sound much more strained now than it did in the beginning of the debate?

It seems to me that reverse demographics are here. The women support Biden and the men support Palin more.

Willravel · 10-02-2008, 05:29 PM

Biden is way more nervous than he should be. Palin is still a moron.

debaser · 10-02-2008, 05:29 PM

Biden is as good as he is ruthless. Palins opponents in Alaska were pussycats by comparison...

Willravel · 10-02-2008, 05:32 PM

"I dont want to argue about the causes [of climate change]"
Um, stupid, you need to know the causes in order to find solutions.

BTW, I'm colorblind and have no clue which line is women or men. Thanks for making them similar shades of green and not making them red and blue, CNN.

Daval · 10-02-2008, 05:34 PM

How do you read the analyst scorecards on CNN? I just switched over from NBC to see the live reaction....

Baraka_Guru · 10-02-2008, 05:36 PM

HDCNN, Daval.

Same-sex issue.... I'm listening to this one.

Daval · 10-02-2008, 05:36 PM

I'm on HDCnn, just wondering what the analyst scorecards mean and how you read them

Jozrael · 10-02-2008, 05:37 PM

It's green and orange, Will. Sorry you can't make em out

. I think there is red/blue colorblindness too, so it's not like they can really make it easy.
-----Added 2/10/2008 at 09 : 39 : 41-----
Neither of them approve gay marriage

.

Willravel · 10-02-2008, 05:39 PM

Palin still isn't familiar with John McCain's policy.
Ellen Challenges John McCain On Gay Marriage: "You're No Different Than I Am"

Baraka_Guru · 10-02-2008, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daval

I'm on HDCnn, just wondering what the analyst scorecards mean and how you read them

Oh, I can't see them. I don't have HDTV.

Willravel · 10-02-2008, 05:41 PM

"I didn't hear a plan" - Biden responding to Palin dodging the question.

Edit: ROFL "The Talibani!" - Governor Sarah Palin

Baraka_Guru · 10-02-2008, 05:43 PM

Biden destroyed Palin on Iraq. And it's not even finished.

Palin: "[Obama/Biden's plan in Iraq] is a white flag of surrender...."

Holy shit.

ubertuber · 10-02-2008, 05:45 PM

Who, exactly, would we be surrendering to?

10-02-2008, 04:20 PM	#1 (permalink)
thespian86 change is hard. Location: the green room.	LIVE discussion thread for the VP debate. I'm really looking forward to see how Palin handles the stage alone. Here's a thread to discuss what's going on. Enjoy __________________ EX: Whats new? ME: I officially love coffee more then you now. EX: uh... ME: So, not much.

10-02-2008, 04:29 PM	#2 (permalink)
SSJTWIZTA Master Thief. Master Criminal. Masturbator. Location: Windiwana	i think ill be tuning in as well. Dont know if ill be chiming in while watching it though, we'll see. 31 min. to go. __________________ First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew. Then they came for the communists and I did not speak out because I was not a communist. Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist Then they came for me And there was no one left to speak out for me. -Pastor Martin Niemoller

10-02-2008, 04:33 PM	#4 (permalink)
abaya Location: Iceland	Staying up late here in Iceland (again)--live coverage begins at 1am, we'll be up till 2:30am. Last week was better, since we could sleep in really late on Saturday morning. Ktsp has to get up and go to work at 8am. The great part about debate coverage here is that it's the straight live feed--no commercials, no analysis, no fancy-shmancy. Just the debate itself. I'll check in here after it's all done. __________________ And think not you can direct the course of Love; for Love, if it finds you worthy, directs your course. --Khalil Gibran

10-02-2008, 04:44 PM	#8 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	I am going to try and watch from work but I doubt I will be able to see it... __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

10-02-2008, 04:56 PM	#11 (permalink)
Jozrael Junkie	Update! They're doing a different audience response this time. It will be uncommitted Ohio voters, ones by their own admission are currently undecided. They are split only among men and women. Update: http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/0...mp/#more-11389 is live CNN analyst updates during the debates. Such a good summation: The election can’t be won tonight by Palin, but it certainly can be lost if she lays a goose egg. Last edited by Jozrael; 10-02-2008 at 05:01 PM..

10-02-2008, 04:30 PM	#3 (permalink)
Jozrael Junkie	Kind of jumping the gun, eh? But yea, I'll be watching and commenting, just like last time. I'm making -popcorn- for this spectacle, baby!

10-02-2008, 04:39 PM	#5 (permalink)
Jozrael Junkie	Well...we get live feed too. Just multiple camera angles =). And we get an 'audience response indicator' on the bottom if we watch via CNN. Everyone in the audience has a 'positive reaction' button and a 'negative reaction' button. And they report whether they're Demo, Repub, or Independent. So as the debate goes on, you can track the bottom of the screen and see the average of each of the three categories fluctuate in direct response to the candidates words. It's fascinating (and the foundation of my belief that Obama won the last debate: the lines clearly showed an advantage for him in all three groups (@_@).

10-02-2008, 04:40 PM	#7 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	I REALLY can't wait for Palin to crash and burn. I just hope the moderator doesn't give her softballs or forgives her for changing the subject or not answering the question. I'm curious about Biden.

10-02-2008, 04:49 PM	#9 (permalink)
Jozrael Junkie	What I'm not looking forward to, will, is Republicans defending her shitty performance.

10-02-2008, 04:59 PM	#12 (permalink)
thespian86 change is hard. Location: the green room.	2 minutes until Palin's first lie/non-answer! -----Added 2/10/2008 at 09 : 03 : 29----- hahahahahahahaha FIRST LINE OF THE NIGHT "Can I call ya' Joe?" __________________ EX: Whats new? ME: I officially love coffee more then you now. EX: uh... ME: So, not much. Last edited by thespian86; 10-02-2008 at 05:03 PM.. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

10-02-2008, 05:04 PM	#13 (permalink)
debaser Sir, I have a plan... Location: 38S NC20943324	He should have said no... __________________ Fortunato became immured to the sound of the trowel after a while.

10-02-2008, 05:04 PM	#14 (permalink)
Jozrael Junkie	As an initial note: Women seem disposed FOR biden and men AGAINST. Just during his introductions these were evident. As he continued speaking, both sides rose. -----Added 2/10/2008 at 09 : 05 : 22----- And it appears that Biden achieved a 100% approval rating with women during his last couple sentences. Both men and women seem to approve of Palin's message equally. Numbers are more moderate than Biden's...not quite as high, not quite as low, but still on the approval side. That wink made me feel nauseous. shudder. Palin is handling herself well. She is very offensive, as was expected...but she's doing it in a very gentle way. Last edited by Jozrael; 10-02-2008 at 05:10 PM..

10-02-2008, 05:08 PM	#15 (permalink)
thespian86 change is hard. Location: the green room.	I like that they are looking at each other. And then she winked... jesus. __________________ EX: Whats new? ME: I officially love coffee more then you now. EX: uh... ME: So, not much.

10-02-2008, 05:11 PM	#16 (permalink)
Jozrael Junkie	Yea, I LOVE that they're talking to each other. I was offended for Obama that McCain didn't look at him throughout the debate. I'm also surprised that Biden is being so forthright in his attacks on McCain. He's being careful to restrict them to McCain though...he hasn't made an attack on Palin yet.

10-02-2008, 05:11 PM	#17 (permalink)
debaser Sir, I have a plan... Location: 38S NC20943324	She pegged it on the mortgage crisis... __________________ Fortunato became immured to the sound of the trowel after a while.

10-02-2008, 05:14 PM	#22 (permalink)
fresnelly Functionally Appropriate Location: Toronto	I wonder what it would sound like if you took each audience line and attached it to an electronic pitch? __________________ Building an artificial intelligence that appreciates Mozart is easy. Building an A.I. that appreciates a theme restaurant is the real challenge - Kit Roebuck - Nine Planets Without Intelligent Life

10-02-2008, 05:12 PM	#18 (permalink)
fresnelly Functionally Appropriate Location: Toronto	I have the sound turned off and am watching the little CNN Audience response thingee ebb and flow like a brainwave. It's actually quite soothing. __________________ Building an artificial intelligence that appreciates Mozart is easy. Building an A.I. that appreciates a theme restaurant is the real challenge - Kit Roebuck - Nine Planets Without Intelligent Life

10-02-2008, 05:13 PM	#19 (permalink)
Jozrael Junkie	Jesus. How many times is she going to say 'darn right'.

10-02-2008, 05:13 PM	#20 (permalink)
debaser Sir, I have a plan... Location: 38S NC20943324	I keep waiting for her to dance a jig after she says "darn right" __________________ Fortunato became immured to the sound of the trowel after a while.

10-02-2008, 05:13 PM	#21 (permalink)
thespian86 change is hard. Location: the green room.	I'm sorry to pull a Will but I can't get over how fucking ridiculous she is. Everything she says is ruined by her "darns" and "hockey moms" and "jeeze". __________________ EX: Whats new? ME: I officially love coffee more then you now. EX: uh... ME: So, not much.

10-02-2008, 05:15 PM	#23 (permalink)
Jozrael Junkie	Holy crap. WOW. Ok, so at first, Palin comes out with this INCREDIBLE attack on Barack's tax policy that had me REELING. I was like 'whoa'. Then Biden comes out and says YOU'RE 100% WRONG. And he then goes AND YOU DIDN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION. And she goes AND I'M NOT GONNA.

10-02-2008, 05:16 PM	#24 (permalink)
thespian86 change is hard. Location: the green room.	hahaha Joe Biden starts speaking and the bars spike. __________________ EX: Whats new? ME: I officially love coffee more then you now. EX: uh... ME: So, not much.

10-02-2008, 05:17 PM	#25 (permalink)
Jozrael Junkie	Nah, the bars are spiking for both of them. I'm not even paying attn to them anymore. Those past couple minutes were just CARNAGE. Nvm...you're right. The polls aren't quite so high for Palin anymore. Men seem especially vulnerable to the 'government is the problem' that she's talking about. They spiked up HIGH there. Rofl. "He's got a DEtailed plan, and I'll give you some DEtails now". Whoaaaaaa. "The ULTIMATE Bridge to Nowhere'. Biden is not going about this at ALL as I expected, and I'm loving every. second. Last edited by Jozrael; 10-02-2008 at 05:21 PM..

10-02-2008, 05:21 PM	#26 (permalink)
thespian86 change is hard. Location: the green room.	Did she just say something anti-government in reference to the republican party. How surprisingly conservative. First thing I've heard thats actually conservative in 8 years it seems. __________________ EX: Whats new? ME: I officially love coffee more then you now. EX: uh... ME: So, not much.

10-02-2008, 05:21 PM	#27 (permalink)
debaser Sir, I have a plan... Location: 38S NC20943324	BANG! (Ultimate bridge to nowhere) __________________ Fortunato became immured to the sound of the trowel after a while.

10-02-2008, 05:23 PM	#28 (permalink)
Jozrael Junkie	Haha yea, debase. This is what the debate feels like to me: Palin says something that SEEMS to be excellent and bring up a great point! Biden smashes it down utterly and shows it to be wordplay or just false. Palin retorts cattily. Biden provides more substance and makes a direct assault. -----Added 2/10/2008 at 09 : 24 : 14----- Sorry my bad, this is the continuous feed on the debate: Palin blames financial crisis on Wall Street - CNN.com Is it just me or does Palin's voice sound much more strained now than it did in the beginning of the debate? It seems to me that reverse demographics are here. The women support Biden and the men support Palin more. Last edited by Jozrael; 10-02-2008 at 05:29 PM.. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

10-02-2008, 05:29 PM	#29 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	Biden is way more nervous than he should be. Palin is still a moron.

10-02-2008, 05:29 PM	#30 (permalink)
debaser Sir, I have a plan... Location: 38S NC20943324	Biden is as good as he is ruthless. Palins opponents in Alaska were pussycats by comparison... __________________ Fortunato became immured to the sound of the trowel after a while.

10-02-2008, 05:32 PM	#31 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	"I dont want to argue about the causes [of climate change]" Um, stupid, you need to know the causes in order to find solutions. BTW, I'm colorblind and have no clue which line is women or men. Thanks for making them similar shades of green and not making them red and blue, CNN. Last edited by Willravel; 10-02-2008 at 05:34 PM..

10-02-2008, 05:34 PM	#32 (permalink)
Daval Junkie Location: The True North Strong and Free!	How do you read the analyst scorecards on CNN? I just switched over from NBC to see the live reaction.... __________________ "It is impossible to obtain a conviction for sodomy from an English jury. Half of them don't believe that it can physically be done, and the other half are doing it." Winston Churchill

10-02-2008, 05:36 PM	#33 (permalink)
Baraka_Guru warrior bodhisattva Super Moderator Location: East-central Canada	HDCNN, Daval. Same-sex issue.... I'm listening to this one. __________________ Knowing that death is certain and that the time of death is uncertain, what's the most important thing? —Bhikkhuni Pema Chödrön Humankind cannot bear very much reality. —From "Burnt Norton," Four Quartets (1936), T. S. Eliot

10-02-2008, 05:36 PM	#34 (permalink)
Daval Junkie Location: The True North Strong and Free!	I'm on HDCnn, just wondering what the analyst scorecards mean and how you read them __________________ "It is impossible to obtain a conviction for sodomy from an English jury. Half of them don't believe that it can physically be done, and the other half are doing it." Winston Churchill

10-02-2008, 05:37 PM	#35 (permalink)
Jozrael Junkie	It's green and orange, Will. Sorry you can't make em out . I think there is red/blue colorblindness too, so it's not like they can really make it easy. -----Added 2/10/2008 at 09 : 39 : 41----- Neither of them approve gay marriage . Last edited by Jozrael; 10-02-2008 at 05:39 PM.. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

10-02-2008, 05:39 PM	#36 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	Palin still isn't familiar with John McCain's policy. Ellen Challenges John McCain On Gay Marriage: "You're No Different Than I Am"

10-02-2008, 05:41 PM	#38 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	"I didn't hear a plan" - Biden responding to Palin dodging the question. Edit: ROFL "The Talibani!" - Governor Sarah Palin Last edited by Willravel; 10-02-2008 at 05:43 PM..

10-02-2008, 05:43 PM	#39 (permalink)
Baraka_Guru warrior bodhisattva Super Moderator Location: East-central Canada	Biden destroyed Palin on Iraq. And it's not even finished. Palin: "[Obama/Biden's plan in Iraq] is a white flag of surrender...." Holy shit. __________________ Knowing that death is certain and that the time of death is uncertain, what's the most important thing? —Bhikkhuni Pema Chödrön Humankind cannot bear very much reality. —From "Burnt Norton," Four Quartets (1936), T. S. Eliot